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On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking
This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along.
Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy.
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Poland3756 Posts
On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy.
I don't think it's easier than Hearthstone 1y ago. Or now.
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On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy.
It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention.
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On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky  I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out.
Is the announcement also going to herald our own subforum?
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On October 10 2014 14:26 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 13:40 Prophanity wrote:
So this game is being considered a real competitive game now? Anyone want to form a pro Connect Four team?
Just remember, to all you SC2 fans who claim BW fans are elitist... might wanna look at yourselves right now.
And so the cycle continues.
I don't see myself getting into Heroes of the Storm, but this will be a fun little event regardless. Not sure I'll have time to watch it with everything else going on at Blizzcon, but seeing entire teams of ex-SC2 players playing a MOBA is worth it for the novelty alone.
On October 10 2014 21:58 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out. Is the announcement also going to herald our own subforum?
Subforum? Please. Obviously they're going to make a new site for HotS a la Dota/Hearthstone. Liquidhots.com? Liquidheroes.com? Liquidstorm.com?
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On October 10 2014 19:05 FrozenProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy. It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention.
are you sure about that ? its really really mindless
Dota 2 is much much harder and even league has a higher skillcap
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On October 10 2014 22:22 KDot2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 19:05 FrozenProbe wrote:On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy. It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention. are you sure about that ? its really really mindless Dota 2 is much much harder and even league has a higher skillcap
You don't know what you're talking about, go to any of the other Heroes threads if you want to debate that point. Or you're just trolling, one of the two, either way, gtfo.
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Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers?
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On October 11 2014 02:11 johnbongham wrote:
Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers?
As far as the character roster is concerned, pretty much! In the long run it will likely have far more characters than Smash though
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On October 11 2014 02:16 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:11 johnbongham wrote:
Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers? As far as the character roster is concerned, pretty much! In the long run it will likely have far more characters than Smash though
Oh, weird. Not into fighting games though especially weird ones like SSB. :/
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On October 11 2014 02:20 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:16 Yorkie wrote:On October 11 2014 02:11 johnbongham wrote:
Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers? As far as the character roster is concerned, pretty much! In the long run it will likely have far more characters than Smash though Oh, weird. Not into fighting games though especially weird ones like SSB. :/
Heroes isn't even close to smash in genre. Also smash is awesome
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So what's the etiquette on the abbreviation. Is heart of the swarm HoTS and heroes of the storm is HOTS?
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On October 11 2014 03:12 slytown wrote:
So what's the etiquette on the abbreviation. Is heart of the swarm HoTS and heroes of the storm is HOTS?
Generally Heroes of the Storm is just called Heroes.
Also hopefully this incentives blizzard to release LotV already to avoid confusion
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On October 11 2014 00:22 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 22:22 KDot2 wrote:On October 10 2014 19:05 FrozenProbe wrote:On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy. It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention. are you sure about that ? its really really mindless Dota 2 is much much harder and even league has a higher skillcap You don't know what you're talking about, go to any of the other Heroes threads if you want to debate that point. Or you're just trolling, one of the two, either way, gtfo.
Im honestly not trolling Ive played all three games and I dont see how HotS could ever have a higher skillcap than league. Maybe could you link me some videos to change my mind ? Ive been wrong before I could be wrong here. Any good vids of good players in HotS to change my mind ?
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I like all the people that think SC2 was brought up on passion, not the several hundred thousand dollars blizz dumped into GSL.
You guys may not like it, but Heroes has an INSANE amount of depth at a pro level. My own teams (ESV Wildfire and ESV Tempest) have something around 90%-95% winrates in random que unless they hit another ECS team. Right now it's super hard to see as there is not shit for good information sites out there for Heroes, and personal streams at this point are mostly meh.
Give it time, remember these same "OMG cant be as deep as the original" were all common arguments against both SC2 and LoL, and stopped neither of them.
One thing I think people most miss is this game is not about so much carrying 1v5 or anything, the skill comes in the full 5 man coordination. While an individual player can win games, its more frequently on the team as a whole 5 man unit.
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Off-topic: Honestly, what does it matter if HotS has a higher skillcap or not? It's fun. People may have forgotten it, but having fun is sort of the purpose of a game.
I personally think HotS' challenge lies elsewhere. Where Dota and LoL focus on mechanics, execution and the ability to farm, HotS requires players to really coordinate their effort and work as a team for optimal results. Some strategies are already kind of being developed.
Yesterday, I played as a 4-man stack, and encountered a 5-man stack on Pirate's Bay. I'm pretty sure they were hoarding the coins until they were able to take out the tier 1 outer towers, so that the cannon would do more significant damage. It seems irrelevant, but doing that in a pub when you're queueing alone or possibly with 1 or 2 friends is pretty damn hard imo. Go and trust a stranger to hold 10 coins and see how it works out.
Each map offers something different, and you always have to make sure you don't put all your eggs in the same basket, so to speak. On Dragon Shire for example, holding both Shires is all well and good, but it requires coordination to actually take the Dragon Knight against a good team, and you also need to make sure you don't neglect the mercenary camps in the process.
Yesterday was my first time as a 4-man stack, and I found it even more fun. We won 2 games and lost 2, and the games we lost were really fun too. I find it much more easy to appreciate a game for its fun value when it only lasts 20-25 mins. A lot of people on Dota and LoL have forgotten that, mostly because after you spend 45 minutes in a game, even if it was amazing, losing still feels a little sour for most.
On-topic: I wonder how they'll manage the tournament. Blizzard is mostly used to doing 1v1 things, so this would be their first time holding a team tournament. I mean, I think that even on WC3, BlizzCon never held a team-based tournament for the likes of MYM and such. With the Obs mode implemented, it could set the trend for HotS tournaments, and we might see more in the near future.
I'm definitely hyped though. I shall be routing for TeamLiquid!
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On October 11 2014 03:18 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 03:12 slytown wrote:
So what's the etiquette on the abbreviation. Is heart of the swarm HoTS and heroes of the storm is HOTS? Generally Heroes of the Storm is just called Heroes. Also hopefully this incentives blizzard to release LotV already to avoid confusion
Oh no, not Heroes, that'll be so confusing to me on forums and casts...
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So this is the next game post Wc3 blizzard will run into the ground?
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I lost to a team of Sheth, Lz, and a couple others whose names escaped me during my talent-gated Lili game  Might be them.
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