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http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/16204868/heroes-of-the-storm-exhibition-matches-at-blizzcon-2014-10-8-2014
Not only will there be a series of exhibition matches featuring well known personalities, but Blizzard has invited four teams to compete against each other in the first blizzard sanctioned tournament in the history of Heroes of the Storm.
Four large esports organizations are sending teams, Cloud9, Evil Geniuses, Fnatic, and of course, Team Liquid.
While the game is still in alpha the tournament promises to showcase exciting and dynamic games, and is a must watch for anyone who wants to see what Heroes of the Storm is all about.
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Why is TL just referred to as "of course" ... Isn't this the first word on TL having a HOTS team?
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Can you tell us more about the HotS Liquid Team? :o
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On October 09 2014 22:12 Tenks wrote:
Why is TL just referred to as "of course" ... Isn't this the first word on TL having a HOTS team?
PR man, luckily they did not make it bold & italic with addition of some stars`n`shit.
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On October 09 2014 22:12 Tenks wrote:
Why is TL just referred to as "of course" ... Isn't this the first word on TL having a HOTS team?
My thoughts exactly! can someone expend on that?
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its gonna be all the sc2 players that dont actually play sc2 anymore. so we'll see sheth idra naniwa tyler etc.
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Because TL is a large esports organisation?
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On October 09 2014 22:20 zev318 wrote:
its gonna be all the sc2 players that dont actually play sc2 anymore. so we'll see sheth idra naniwa tyler etc.
Idra/LZ are on a different team than Sheth. AFAIK Sheth isn't currently on a team so I expect him on TL's HOTS team. CauthonLuck is also on a team but on ZPs team (which it's name escapes me at the moment.)
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On October 09 2014 22:20 ahswtini wrote:
Because TL is a large esports organisation?
Shhh quite with your logic.
I love that the first comments in this thread are all about the use of the words "Of course". Because we all know that is the important part. Not the fact that we are going to get to see a fun event and the first competitive matches of HotS put on by Blizzard.
I hope Idra gets to play. He seems to really like the game and is fun to watch. Plus its super weird how team mates totally mellow him out.
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I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky 
I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out.
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On October 09 2014 22:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:20 ahswtini wrote:
Because TL is a large esports organisation? Shhh quite with your logic. I love that the first comments in this thread are all about the use of the words "Of course". Because we all know that is the important part. Not the fact that we are going to get to see a fun event and the first competitive matches of HotS put on by Blizzard. I hope Idra gets to play. He seems to really like the game and is fun to watch. Plus its super weird how team mates totally mellow him out.
Speaking of idra, we just interviewed him :D
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It is great to have such important names already into Heroes 
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Snowflake please
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idra said in his interview
"There isn't much for the team just yet but there will be an announcement for us soon that Starcraft fans ought to find very exciting."
probably means his team got picked up by one of the organizations with a well known sc2 squad. So EG or Liquid I would guess?
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On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out.
announcement of an announcement doesn't seem your style...
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On October 09 2014 22:46 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out. announcement of an announcement doesn't seem your style...
Dude I'm just chatting and sharing some information T_T
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Why no team "El Nexo" (LucifroN, VortiX, etc) winners of #1 VersaSphere Invitational?.
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On October 09 2014 22:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:46 y0su wrote:On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out. announcement of an announcement doesn't seem your style... Dude I'm just chatting and sharing some information T_T
totally just an evil joke
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On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out.
Does this mean that you are going to really invest long-term in HotS or is it just a "on the spot team" made for BlizzCon?
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Liquid HotS team? o_O cool
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On October 09 2014 22:50 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On October 09 2014 22:46 y0su wrote:On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out. announcement of an announcement doesn't seem your style... Dude I'm just chatting and sharing some information T_T totally just an evil joke
EVIL Joke 
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I have to say, having played the alpha a lot already from the first alpha release, this game is really not that entertaining in my opinion.
There is not a lot of diversity, and individual decisions often have very little impact in the game. However you don't tend to rage as much as in for example dota, not sure why really, but at least you never get seriously mad :D
But, this game is almost as boring as league of legends, complete fail in my book.
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On October 09 2014 22:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:46 y0su wrote:On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out. announcement of an announcement doesn't seem your style... Dude I'm just chatting and sharing some information T_T
Didn't you know that telling people you have exciting news in the future is now bad? No longer can we get people excited about news in the future because they will complain that you didn't give them the exciting thing right now.
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So are we going to see a LiquidHeroes portal? 
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oh man, liquid`idra? this is gonna be gold
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inb4 Idra rage quits and afk for the rest of the game
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Will Liquid`Nazgul feature on that team ? MB even cheese Idra out in the finals.
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That's nice and all, if only I could play the game!
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On October 09 2014 22:57 synapse wrote:
Liquid HotS team? o_O cool
What's so surprising here. There is sc2,hearthstone and ssbm plus used to be dota. Hots is no surprise of you think about it
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On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out.
Zenio - Top
Haypro - Roaming
Jinro - Mid
Sheth - Bot
Tyler - Bot
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My money is on Sheth being on the team.
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On October 09 2014 22:11 GMarshal wrote:http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/16204868/heroes-of-the-storm-exhibition-matches-at-blizzcon-2014-10-8-2014Not only will there be a series of exhibition matches featuring well known personalities, but Blizzard has invited four teams to compete against each other in the first blizzard sanctioned tournament in the history of Heroes of the Storm. Four large esports organizations are sending teams, Cloud9, Evil Geniuses, Fnatic, and of course, Team Liquid. While the game is still in alpha the tournament promises to showcase exciting and dynamic games, and is a must watch for anyone who wants to see what Heroes of the Storm is all about.
Isn't this the first tournament for Storm? And its history isn't very long. That comment is worded a little awkward.
Ok, I have taken off my grammar hat.
Who are you going to send to Blizzcon for the Storm matches? My guess is Sheth, Jinro, and Ret.
It would be sick seeing those guys play again.
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United States22154 Posts
On October 10 2014 00:29 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:11 GMarshal wrote:http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/16204868/heroes-of-the-storm-exhibition-matches-at-blizzcon-2014-10-8-2014Not only will there be a series of exhibition matches featuring well known personalities, but Blizzard has invited four teams to compete against each other in the first blizzard sanctioned tournament in the history of Heroes of the Storm. Four large esports organizations are sending teams, Cloud9, Evil Geniuses, Fnatic, and of course, Team Liquid. While the game is still in alpha the tournament promises to showcase exciting and dynamic games, and is a must watch for anyone who wants to see what Heroes of the Storm is all about. Isn't this the first tournament for Storm? And its history isn't very long. That comment is worded a little awkward. Ok, I have taken off my grammar hat. Who are you going to send to Blizzcon for the Storm matches? My guess is Sheth, Jinro, and Ret. It would be sick seeing those guys play again.
There have been a couple tournaments, including ECS, which is why I said its the first blizzard sanctioned tournament.
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But, this game is almost as boring as league of legends, complete fail in my book.
Almost as boring as the most popular game in the world? Doesn't sound that bad to me
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On October 10 2014 00:10 rotta wrote:
That's nice and all, if only I could play the game!
Yeah pretty much, every now and then i check the posts, but i just can't play, so it is hard to get excited about these kind of threads. Good luck tho, and hope the tournament is a success.
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Haven't played or watched much HotS but if these big profile teams are picking up players with some SC history I'm interested.
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On October 09 2014 22:12 Tenks wrote:
Why is TL just referred to as "of course" ... Isn't this the first word on TL having a HOTS team?
#rekt lol
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Cool, hope it turns out to be the success that Blizzard was looking for.
GL TL!
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On October 09 2014 22:16 Tyeshoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:12 Tenks wrote:
Why is TL just referred to as "of course" ... Isn't this the first word on TL having a HOTS team? PR man, luckily they did not make it bold & italic with addition of some stars`n`shit.
Yet.
They didnt do it yet.
*expects and epic edit*
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ever since i got snubbed for blizzcon in bw, i've wanted to play in it. another opportunity gone  hf dudes
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Well, HotS = Heroes of the Storm. I thought that was Heart of the Swarm. Must update.
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On October 10 2014 01:07 NonY wrote:ever since i got snubbed for blizzcon in bw, i've wanted to play in it. another opportunity gone hf dudes
Meh, don't need the sponsorship, join me and we shall form the best HotS team ever! With blackjack...and hookers...in fact, forget the team.
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On October 10 2014 01:18 _TMT_ wrote:
Well, HotS = Heroes of the Storm. I thought that was Heart of the Swarm. Must update.
For the most part people refer to the game as Heroes. Or instead of doing HotS they just allcaps to HOTS. Hopefully it shouldn't be an issue once LotV comes out.
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Naniwa and Sase apparently playing for Fnatic's team.
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SHUSHEI ??? O dear, I was wondering where he went. WAIT LAMIA TOO?
The middle guy seen to be LOH according to reddit, no idea how true it is though. This seen more like a temporary team assembled for Blizzcon only.
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On October 10 2014 02:35 RiZu wrote:SHUSHEI ??? O dear, I was wondering where he went. WAIT LAMIA TOO? The middle guy seen to be LOH according to reddit, no idea how true it is though. This seen more like a temporary team assembled for Blizzcon only.
It's absolutely just for publicity, but it's damn good for it. LoL player, one of the most controversial SC2 players, and one of the great legends of Dota is gonna draw a lot of eyes.
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if there was even some invite system for ex-Dota personalities and other people instead of just a pure cocksucking contest, the game might be atleast somewhat worth watching, this way I couldnt care less because it just makes me point a finger at another blizzards misstep
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It's a game in alpha... what you expect?
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On October 10 2014 03:06 ragz_gt wrote:
It's a game in alpha... what you expect?
Same as the Hearthstone invitational from last year. Get publicity by creating a tournament full of established personalities, ???, profit.
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I remember the days when people had to wait until Beta before a tournament could be played. Kids these days are so impatient.
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On October 10 2014 03:16 litlnoobs wrote:
I remember the days when people had to wait until Beta before a tournament could be played. Kids these days are so impatient.
In the latest patch Blizzard green-lit tournaments to be played in HotS. Prior to that they were discouraged.
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Is it just me or did blizzard completly forgot who or what they are? I just hear "blablabla no tournement mode blablabla just casual game" and than they host tournements for games that they never created to be played that way? They are lying just like EA and other big publishers.
I wish all people that play this game a lot of fun. I wish all the best to the pros that put their future into this title. Lets hope this stays a small game for korea and they never get into it like counterstrike so foreigners will stay at the top, right?
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*Wins 90% of HotS games* *Can't get on a pro team*. #EsportsFriendsInHighPlaces.
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Just became a Heroes fan, finally some spice again :D.
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Oh yeah and the non blurred lineup of Fnatic.
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I thought Symbiote/Snowflake were playing along with all the publicity teams. So it's just the publicity teams? Well EG is prob Idras team and C9 the other good NA team?
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On October 10 2014 03:39 tadL wrote:
Is it just me or did blizzard completly forgot who or what they are? I just hear "blablabla no tournement mode blablabla just casual game" and than they host tournements for games that they never created to be played that way? They are lying just like EA and other big publishers.
I wish all people that play this game a lot of fun. I wish all the best to the pros that put their future into this title. Lets hope this stays a small game for korea and they never get into it like counterstrike so foreigners will stay at the top, right?
It is just an exhibition match which is nothing like a full blow competitive tournament scene. If exhibiton matches equated to competitive tournaments then a lot of games would fit that bill.
Not so much lying as supporting something that grew grass roots style. A lot of Blizzard games seem to follow that style when it comes to competitive (ignoring SC2). Hearthstone was meant to be a casual game with but people practically forced competitive tournaments to spawn around it through sheer force and passion. Same can be said for HotS where the community practically turned it into a competitive game by being competitive themselves which Blizzard supports.
All in all I'd rather have publishers and developers supporting their games (competitively or otherwise) from the get go or along the way, examples being Riot, Blizzard, Valve, Capcom and I'm sure I missed a few others. I'd rather have that than a company that completely forsake and attempt to kill off their competitive tourney like Nintendo (Evo 2013).
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So this means Snowflake and Symbiote won't be competing under any of these team names. Probably not El Nexo (which is basically Karont3 eSports btw) or any of the other top teams either, then.
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Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing,
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On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing,
I agree that the teams attending are mostly there because they're big names (I don't know to what extent, I don't watch HotS), but there is only a tournament because the community that grew around the HotS alpha wanted to be competitive. This is definitely a passion-driven thing at heart.
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On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing,
Sorry that people have passion for a game you don't. I know its hard to accept, but you will get there.
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On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing,
more like Blizzard is trying too hard to force HOTS into an eSport when they should really be making it fun. If a game is fun more people will play it and a competitive scene will naturally develop....if you force the issue (i.e. SCII) then it's up to the company to artificially pump money into the scene to keep it on life support and not self-sustaining like DOTA2.
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On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing,
if not for marketing why does blizzcon exist?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 10 2014 04:58 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, more like Blizzard is trying too hard to force HOTS into an eSport when they should really be making it fun. If a game is fun more people will play it and a competitive scene will naturally develop....if you force the issue (i.e. SCII) then it's up to the company to artificially pump money into the scene to keep it on life support and not self-sustaining like DOTA2.
I'm pretty sure Blizzard didn't force anything with HotS. Tournaments popped up on their own, I think.
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On October 10 2014 04:59 IamPryda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, if not for marketing why does blizzcon exist?
Shhhhhh they can't know that Passion and making money can go hand in hand. The whole idea of "Work doing something you love and you will never have to work again" is sort of lost on some people.
On October 10 2014 05:07 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:58 ref4 wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, more like Blizzard is trying too hard to force HOTS into an eSport when they should really be making it fun. If a game is fun more people will play it and a competitive scene will naturally develop....if you force the issue (i.e. SCII) then it's up to the company to artificially pump money into the scene to keep it on life support and not self-sustaining like DOTA2. I'm pretty sure Blizzard didn't force anything with HotS. Tournaments popped up on their own, I think.
And heaven forbid they have a tournament at their own event for their own game.
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On October 09 2014 22:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:46 y0su wrote:On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out. announcement of an announcement doesn't seem your style... Dude I'm just chatting and sharing some information T_T
Wtf like you're actually a person. You're just a machine delivering information, you aren't allowed a personality.
/s
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One nice thing is that Ace of Spades is actually a Heroes player. He's been playing for mYi
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Just to be clear
"Please note that this will not be our future roster, this is just a one off team for the exhibition tournament. We'll continue to evaluate the competitive scene in Heroes of the Storm as the game progresses through the alpha and beta stage. We are very excited to see the game in action and can't wait for the final release!"
Source Fnatic's Announcement
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On October 10 2014 04:55 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, I agree that the teams attending are mostly there because they're big names (I don't know to what extent, I don't watch HotS), but there is only a tournament because the community that grew around the HotS alpha wanted to be competitive. This is definitely a passion-driven thing at heart.
are you trying to be funny? That blizzcon "tournament" is plain marketing.
There is no passion driven HOTS community, no one is watching people streaming the game, there is no competitive scene or anything. This event is pure marketing.
Inb4 Blizzard are gonna start offering leagues, team houses, salaries, world cups and everything the Riot way to force people start playing it "competitively".
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On October 10 2014 05:39 Capz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:55 Zealously wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, I agree that the teams attending are mostly there because they're big names (I don't know to what extent, I don't watch HotS), but there is only a tournament because the community that grew around the HotS alpha wanted to be competitive. This is definitely a passion-driven thing at heart. are you trying to be funny? That blizzcon "tournament" is plain marketing. There is no passion driven HOTS community, no one is watching people streaming the game, there is no competitive scene or anything. This event is pure marketing.
Just because you're ignorant of it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
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On October 10 2014 05:40 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:39 Capz wrote:On October 10 2014 04:55 Zealously wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, I agree that the teams attending are mostly there because they're big names (I don't know to what extent, I don't watch HotS), but there is only a tournament because the community that grew around the HotS alpha wanted to be competitive. This is definitely a passion-driven thing at heart. are you trying to be funny? That blizzcon "tournament" is plain marketing. There is no passion driven HOTS community, no one is watching people streaming the game, there is no competitive scene or anything. This event is pure marketing. Just because you're ignorant of it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
everything what Blizzard is doing right now with Hots is reminding me about the early LoL/HoN days.
Almost every pro ex-dota player started to play HoN and it was looking like that game was gonna be the "competitive" game and successor of dota. LoL had barely any scene, no one took LoL seriously as a competitive game at that time. So Riot started to market their game as an "e-sport" and forcing event organisers to shut down their HoN-events to make space for their "PROFFESIONAL LEAGUE OF LEGEND PLAYERS"-employees to have an event, and people who known nothing about e-sports and plays their shitty game start to watch it and think its awesome.
Its just such a sad development.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 10 2014 05:39 Capz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:55 Zealously wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, I agree that the teams attending are mostly there because they're big names (I don't know to what extent, I don't watch HotS), but there is only a tournament because the community that grew around the HotS alpha wanted to be competitive. This is definitely a passion-driven thing at heart. are you trying to be funny? That blizzcon "tournament" is plain marketing. There is no passion driven HOTS community, no one is watching people streaming the game, there is no competitive scene or anything. This event is pure marketing. Inb4 Blizzard are gonna start offering leagues, team houses, salaries, world cups and everything the Riot way to force people start playing it "competitively".
No, Yes.
Yes there is, yes there are, yes there is, yes it is.
If there was nothing to cover and no interest, I'd be interested to know how you think non-Blizzard HotS tournaments came to be in the first place, and why a team like Symbiote Gaming can even exist.
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Tribalism is tiring and old. Didn't we see this same shit with Hearthstone last year where people claimed it wasn't competitive or some non-sense.
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Liquid going the HotS route instead of Dota then I guess, interesting
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On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing,
SC2 was pure passion? LOL
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On October 10 2014 05:59 Plansix wrote:
Tribalism is tiring and old. Didn't we see this same shit with Hearthstone last year where people claimed it wasn't competitive or some non-sense.
Just ask hots pro player Naniwa:
I've played Dota 1 lot during my wc3 times and I know the simple game it is in comparison to Starcraft, same with LoL. These games will never get any more respect in my eyes when they never understood the real the competition available in gaming. Or well. LoL players seem to understand now and be crushed by the Koreans and even in a game with such low skillcap.
When I see a contest that LCS, The International etc. so I think that in style by winning the lottery. Seems to be very many good guys in dota not deserve any hate. It is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone. But when I hear about people who win thousands of dollars on a U.S. mobatournament and think they are the world's kings, I would just laugh because they do not realize how easily their games are in comparison.
However, everyone is of course welcome by me like exactly what game they want whether it's Sims, Dota, WC3, SC2, CS, etc. But trying to compare playing in the Wimbledon tennis with o spin on a yo-yo together is about as I see SC2 vs Moba. There is no real competitive sport in my eyes.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 10 2014 06:07 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:59 Plansix wrote:
Tribalism is tiring and old. Didn't we see this same shit with Hearthstone last year where people claimed it wasn't competitive or some non-sense. Just ask hots pro player Naniwa: Show nested quote +I've played Dota 1 lot during my wc3 times and I know the simple game it is in comparison to Starcraft, same with LoL. These games will never get any more respect in my eyes when they never understood the real the competition available in gaming. Or well. LoL players seem to understand now and be crushed by the Koreans and even in a game with such low skillcap.
When I see a contest that LCS, The International etc. so I think that in style by winning the lottery. Seems to be very many good guys in dota not deserve any hate. It is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone. But when I hear about people who win thousands of dollars on a U.S. mobatournament and think they are the world's kings, I would just laugh because they do not realize how easily their games are in comparison.
However, everyone is of course welcome by me like exactly what game they want whether it's Sims, Dota, WC3, SC2, CS, etc. But trying to compare playing in the Wimbledon tennis with o spin on a yo-yo together is about as I see SC2 vs Moba. There is no real competitive sport in my eyes.
Naniwa isn't a HotS pro player, he's playing in an exhibition match at Blizzcon because Fnatic (and possibly Blizzard) recognized that he's someone with a lot of pull. The team he's playing for (Fnatic) isn't, most likely anyway, going to keep him on the roster after Blizzcon. This is a temporary thing.
That said, he still looks stupid with that quote behind him.
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Its Naniwa, every time he opens his mouth, some sort of amazing bullshit comes out. The man has no filter.
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I'm sure we'll will see Huk rise again, that top 3 control suits HOTS
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On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing,
I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people.
Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments.
Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016.
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There's an unusual amount of hate towards Blizzard for promoting their own game.. at their own convention. What are you even thinking when you type?
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Conspiracy nuts ahoy...
And for people that bring up stream numbers, please go back and see what kind of numbers SC2 had during the beta and quite a while after release and then get back to me how Heroes are supposedly done long before its release...
And why people gets anywhere near upset at Blizzard having a promotional tournament at their own conventions is beyond me. It's silly at best.
And if anyone think Naniwa is doing this because he wants to go pro or that he's changed his mind about what is or isn't a competitive game, I wouldn't hold my breath. He gets a plane ticket and some compensation to piss people off, not a bad deal for him.
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On October 10 2014 06:35 Zenbrez wrote:
There's an unusual amount of hate towards Blizzard for promoting their own game.. at their own convention. What are you even thinking when you type?
To be honest what I'm thinking is that the best days of gaming are behind us. The buzzword nowadays is monetisation, not delivering quality products. 2007-2011 were golden years with a new AAA games raising the bar in almost every department. Games like Halo 3, the Gears of War series, Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, Left4Dead, Portal 1 and 2, Assassin's creed, COD4: MW and the list goes on. Nowadays it's just sequel upon sequel upon sequel, or multiple companies making pretty much the same game (Valve, riot, blizzard, etc.), desperately hoping to get a piece of the pie.
I don't care about hype anymore. I am waiting for a game that grips me as much as Half Life 2, Bioshock, Starcraft 2, Morrowind and more recently Dark Souls did: games I can lose myself in for hours without end, and want to replay as soon as I've finished them. Each and every one of those games had glaring issues; but what they lacked in technical perfection, they made up with soul. These games are more than the mere sum of their parts. They passion from the people working on them, as opposed to games that basically beg me to open my wallet the moment I boot them up.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Why are we quoting Naniwa? 
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Wowowow, I just read he whole thread. Hots just got real for me =). But meh I want to cheer for TL, IdrA and Naniwa but they are all on a different team. Or is there a chance of LiquidIdra??  I´m sure we will be wiser soon
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On October 10 2014 06:47 ahswtini wrote:Why are we quoting Naniwa?
Because he confirms beliefs that people already hold.
I have no idea, but its pretty funny. He has not changed one bit.
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United States22154 Posts
On October 10 2014 05:39 Capz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:55 Zealously wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developemen off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just marketing, I agree that the teams attending are mostly there because they're big names (I don't know to what extent, I don't watch HotS), but there is only a tournament because the community that grew around the HotS alpha wanted to be competitive. This is definitely a passion-driven thing at heart. are you trying to be funny? That blizzcon "tournament" is plain marketing. There is no passion driven HOTS community, no one is watching people streaming the game, there is no competitive scene or anything. This event is pure marketing. Inb4 Blizzard are gonna start offering leagues, team houses, salaries, world cups and everything the Riot way to force people start playing it "competitively".
Symbiote, Glorious, Snowflake, ESV Wildfire, Clairvoyant, El Nexo, MyMinsanity, to name a few of the competitive teams that exist. ECS to name just one tournament, Heroes Premier League if European tournaments are more your style. These are tournaments with no money offered that still draw teams that practice 4+ hours a day (Check our dreadnought and idra interviews for confirmation). Just because you're not aware that a scene exists, doesn't mean it doesn't. The fact is, blizzcon is a marketing move in a lot of senses, but this is a good thing for the scene, more viewers means that really good teams that already exist are likely to get viewers. So while the merits of fielding untested players against people who've spent a long of time exploring the game and developing strategically is debatable from an informed spectators point of view, its probably going to do good things for the scene as is.
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On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016.
I feel the complete opposite way.
To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking.
I played WC3 for ten years. E-sports was flaring up at that time, mostly with WCG and ESWC (in the West, that is), and at that point it was mostly about passion. I say mostly, because obviously there was a money incentive, and many scams were pulled. But beyond the competitions, there was a sense of community I failed to find in SC2 when I started playing. And what I miss most of all is the team-oriented aspect of the scene.
In WC3, the teams actually mattered. It was largely a 1v1 game, but many people identified players with their team first and foremost. ToD and Grubby? Think 4K. Insomnia? Think SK. Moon and Lucifer? Think MYM. Today in SC2 though, I find it hard to actually identify with teams. As far as I know, the only well-known team-based competition is the GSTL. Other than that, everything else focuses on the players and doesn't really let you cheer for more.
Don't get me wrong though. I still agree with you to some extent. I dislike e-sports for the sake of e-sports. People seem to be rushing into that whole business with HotS, sadly. It might work out, it might not. I think this time around, Blizzard will be smart enough to let the community handle that stuff, much like what they're doing with Hearthstone.
Then, given the team aspect of the game, perhaps I can find my new WC3 and cheer for the new 4K! Or not.
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On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking. I played WC3 for ten years. E-sports was flaring up at that time, mostly with WCG and ESWC (in the West, that is), and at that point it was mostly about passion. I say mostly, because obviously there was a money incentive, and many scams were pulled. But beyond the competitions, there was a sense of community I failed to find in SC2 when I started playing. And what I miss most of all is the team-oriented aspect of the scene. In WC3, the teams actually mattered. It was largely a 1v1 game, but many people identified players with their team first and foremost. ToD and Grubby? Think 4K. Insomnia? Think SK. Moon and Lucifer? Think MYM. Today in SC2 though, I find it hard to actually identify with teams. As far as I know, the only well-known team-based competition is the GSTL. Other than that, everything else focuses on the players and doesn't really let you cheer for more. Don't get me wrong though. I still agree with you to some extent. I dislike e-sports for the sake of e-sports. People seem to be rushing into that whole business with HotS, sadly. It might work out, it might not. I think this time around, Blizzard will be smart enough to let the community handle that stuff, much like what they're doing with Hearthstone. Then, given the team aspect of the game, perhaps I can find my new WC3 and cheer for the new 4K! Or not.
Proleague? ATC?
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the hell are you people on about, all they are doing is create some show matched for their new arena game, how else would they present it?
And i dont see any kind of " new age" esport that is only artificial.
The events and viewers are appropriate to the respective player bases.
games like dota and league had/have big player bases and fanmade tournaments long before the publisher company got involved in it.
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This thread is full of people who claim to follow/play SC2 and don't and people that think the "heyday" of esports is bad FPS's like Halo 3 and COD.
Blizzard isn't doing anything wrong by promoting their own game at their own convention. How stupid is the argument that having a tournament for a game that they are developing is some sort of ploy to dupe the community or "milk the esports market".
Competitive gaming isn't new, it wasn't new in 2007, it wasn't new in 2004. Just because it's more popular and mainstream now doesn't mean having a tournament for a game is some underhanded cash grab. I personally think Heroes is a really fun game that differentiates itself from all the other moba clones on the market.
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I honestly forgot this game existed. I am glad to see it has a following and even TL is picking up a team. I remember watching a couple matches a while back. Looking forward to all the games at blizzcon this year.
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oh wow so much shilling, and that goes both ways
I miss the unbiased opinions of TL members but holy cow, what has this thread turned to
on topic:
Not gonna watch it, first because I still haven't got my beta key, second because those players/teams are just for attention drawing purposes it seems.
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Mexico2170 Posts
On October 10 2014 11:00 JP Dayne wrote:
oh wow so much shilling, and that goes both ways
I miss the unbiased opinions of TL members but holy cow, what has this thread turned to
on topic:
Not gonna watch it, first because I still haven't got my beta key, second because those players/teams are just for attention drawing purposes it seems.
As any other tournament really.
Yes, Dreamhack, MLG, ESL doesn't run tournaments just for the love of esports, they do it because it draws attention and therefore money. They obviosly like them, but so do Blizz.
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I want IdrA to win tournaments again, it's been too long
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So this game is being considered a real competitive game now? Anyone want to form a pro Connect Four team?
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On October 10 2014 13:40 Prophanity wrote:
So this game is being considered a real competitive game now? Anyone want to form a pro Connect Four team?
Connect 4 is 1v1 you casual.
I'll probably watch just for my sweetie IdrA. And who knows, maybe I'll even like it!
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On October 10 2014 13:40 Prophanity wrote:
So this game is being considered a real competitive game now? Anyone want to form a pro Connect Four team?
Just remember, to all you SC2 fans who claim BW fans are elitist... might wanna look at yourselves right now.
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It seems like the teams will be made up of ex-starcraft and league of legends players working together
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On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking
This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along.
Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy.
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Poland3751 Posts
On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy.
I don't think it's easier than Hearthstone 1y ago. Or now.
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On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy.
It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention.
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On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out.
Is the announcement also going to herald our own subforum?
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On October 10 2014 14:26 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 13:40 Prophanity wrote:
So this game is being considered a real competitive game now? Anyone want to form a pro Connect Four team?
Just remember, to all you SC2 fans who claim BW fans are elitist... might wanna look at yourselves right now.
And so the cycle continues.
I don't see myself getting into Heroes of the Storm, but this will be a fun little event regardless. Not sure I'll have time to watch it with everything else going on at Blizzcon, but seeing entire teams of ex-SC2 players playing a MOBA is worth it for the novelty alone.
On October 10 2014 21:58 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:I think the of course was in reference to Liquid getting an invite, not to Liquid having a team. Don't be so picky I still want to prepare our announcement, so maybe a couple of days till the names are out. Is the announcement also going to herald our own subforum?
Subforum? Please. Obviously they're going to make a new site for HotS a la Dota/Hearthstone. Liquidhots.com? Liquidheroes.com? Liquidstorm.com?
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On October 10 2014 19:05 FrozenProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy. It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention.
are you sure about that ? its really really mindless
Dota 2 is much much harder and even league has a higher skillcap
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On October 10 2014 22:22 KDot2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 19:05 FrozenProbe wrote:On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy. It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention. are you sure about that ? its really really mindless Dota 2 is much much harder and even league has a higher skillcap
You don't know what you're talking about, go to any of the other Heroes threads if you want to debate that point. Or you're just trolling, one of the two, either way, gtfo.
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Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers?
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On October 11 2014 02:11 johnbongham wrote:
Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers?
As far as the character roster is concerned, pretty much! In the long run it will likely have far more characters than Smash though
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On October 11 2014 02:16 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:11 johnbongham wrote:
Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers? As far as the character roster is concerned, pretty much! In the long run it will likely have far more characters than Smash though
Oh, weird. Not into fighting games though especially weird ones like SSB. :/
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On October 11 2014 02:20 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:16 Yorkie wrote:On October 11 2014 02:11 johnbongham wrote:
Is this like blizzard's version of super smash brothers? As far as the character roster is concerned, pretty much! In the long run it will likely have far more characters than Smash though Oh, weird. Not into fighting games though especially weird ones like SSB. :/
Heroes isn't even close to smash in genre. Also smash is awesome
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So what's the etiquette on the abbreviation. Is heart of the swarm HoTS and heroes of the storm is HOTS?
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United States22154 Posts
On October 11 2014 03:12 slytown wrote:
So what's the etiquette on the abbreviation. Is heart of the swarm HoTS and heroes of the storm is HOTS?
Generally Heroes of the Storm is just called Heroes.
Also hopefully this incentives blizzard to release LotV already to avoid confusion
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On October 11 2014 00:22 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 22:22 KDot2 wrote:On October 10 2014 19:05 FrozenProbe wrote:On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy. It isn't easier than many other mobas that draws a lot more attention. are you sure about that ? its really really mindless Dota 2 is much much harder and even league has a higher skillcap You don't know what you're talking about, go to any of the other Heroes threads if you want to debate that point. Or you're just trolling, one of the two, either way, gtfo.
Im honestly not trolling Ive played all three games and I dont see how HotS could ever have a higher skillcap than league. Maybe could you link me some videos to change my mind ? Ive been wrong before I could be wrong here. Any good vids of good players in HotS to change my mind ?
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I like all the people that think SC2 was brought up on passion, not the several hundred thousand dollars blizz dumped into GSL.
You guys may not like it, but Heroes has an INSANE amount of depth at a pro level. My own teams (ESV Wildfire and ESV Tempest) have something around 90%-95% winrates in random que unless they hit another ECS team. Right now it's super hard to see as there is not shit for good information sites out there for Heroes, and personal streams at this point are mostly meh.
Give it time, remember these same "OMG cant be as deep as the original" were all common arguments against both SC2 and LoL, and stopped neither of them.
One thing I think people most miss is this game is not about so much carrying 1v5 or anything, the skill comes in the full 5 man coordination. While an individual player can win games, its more frequently on the team as a whole 5 man unit.
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Off-topic: Honestly, what does it matter if HotS has a higher skillcap or not? It's fun. People may have forgotten it, but having fun is sort of the purpose of a game.
I personally think HotS' challenge lies elsewhere. Where Dota and LoL focus on mechanics, execution and the ability to farm, HotS requires players to really coordinate their effort and work as a team for optimal results. Some strategies are already kind of being developed.
Yesterday, I played as a 4-man stack, and encountered a 5-man stack on Pirate's Bay. I'm pretty sure they were hoarding the coins until they were able to take out the tier 1 outer towers, so that the cannon would do more significant damage. It seems irrelevant, but doing that in a pub when you're queueing alone or possibly with 1 or 2 friends is pretty damn hard imo. Go and trust a stranger to hold 10 coins and see how it works out.
Each map offers something different, and you always have to make sure you don't put all your eggs in the same basket, so to speak. On Dragon Shire for example, holding both Shires is all well and good, but it requires coordination to actually take the Dragon Knight against a good team, and you also need to make sure you don't neglect the mercenary camps in the process.
Yesterday was my first time as a 4-man stack, and I found it even more fun. We won 2 games and lost 2, and the games we lost were really fun too. I find it much more easy to appreciate a game for its fun value when it only lasts 20-25 mins. A lot of people on Dota and LoL have forgotten that, mostly because after you spend 45 minutes in a game, even if it was amazing, losing still feels a little sour for most.
On-topic: I wonder how they'll manage the tournament. Blizzard is mostly used to doing 1v1 things, so this would be their first time holding a team tournament. I mean, I think that even on WC3, BlizzCon never held a team-based tournament for the likes of MYM and such. With the Obs mode implemented, it could set the trend for HotS tournaments, and we might see more in the near future.
I'm definitely hyped though. I shall be routing for TeamLiquid!
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On October 11 2014 03:18 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 03:12 slytown wrote:
So what's the etiquette on the abbreviation. Is heart of the swarm HoTS and heroes of the storm is HOTS? Generally Heroes of the Storm is just called Heroes. Also hopefully this incentives blizzard to release LotV already to avoid confusion
Oh no, not Heroes, that'll be so confusing to me on forums and casts...
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So this is the next game post Wc3 blizzard will run into the ground?
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I lost to a team of Sheth, Lz, and a couple others whose names escaped me during my talent-gated Lili game Might be them.
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On October 10 2014 17:37 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 17:32 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 Spaylz wrote:On October 10 2014 06:33 maartendq wrote:On October 10 2014 04:52 Capz wrote:
Such a sad developement off e-sports that is happening today compared to the early SC2 days were passion was the main part, today e-sports is just plain marketing, I feel the same way. I loved the way SC2 developed. Yes, Blizzard gave it some necessary pushes in the back, but at its core it was a grassroots movement made possible by a few very dedicated people. Viewership numbers might be declining, but I feel genuinely proud of having been part of SC2 esports since the very beginning. I haven't played a ladder game in a very long time but whenever there is a premier tournament going on during the weekend, I'm watching it. I still remember the hype when Fruit Dealer won the first GSL, when Thorzain plowed through Korean player after korean player and ended up winning TSL3... so many memorable moments. Nowadays esports is just another way to milk enthusiastic gamers, together with those ridiculously overpriced gaming peripherals, early access, kickstarter campaigns and preorder dlc. It seems that Blizzard smelled cash in the new Free2Play fad, and I'm quite sure this goes at the cost of Legacy of the Void. I wouldn't be surprised if LOTV didn't come out before 2016. I feel the complete opposite way. To me, SC2 had no passion to it. Well, more so, I didn't feel it. Blizzard tried to make it revolve entirely around e-sports, what with WCS and all, and in my eyes it was a failure. They monopolized the scene so much it felt like it was choking This is untrue. In the first year of WoL, Blizzard was almost completely hands-off in SC2 esports. They only got involved later, because people wanted them to push it along. Strange how they can hold a tournament for HotS at Blizzcon if the game is so easy. I don't think it's easier than Hearthstone 1y ago. Or now.
artosis blizzcon winner never4get
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I predict that this game will have a strong pro scene when it releases but a weak casual base, maybe not in the start but in the next few months, which will bring to its demise.
I base my predictio on what I saw from the alpha and from the stream numbers. I wonder how it will really play out though.
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I base my predictio on what I saw from the alpha and from the stream numbers. I wonder how it will really play out though.
Eh, are your basing your premise on streaming numbers from a game people can't play becasue its in alpha? I don't think that makes sense.
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On October 11 2014 22:03 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +
I base my predictio on what I saw from the alpha and from the stream numbers. I wonder how it will really play out though.
Eh, are your basing your premise on streaming numbers from a game people can't play becasue its in alpha? I don't think that makes sense.
Hearthstone had pretty big viewer numbers even early on closed beta.
You can argue closed beta wider than alpha, but still ...
Edit: I guess the point isn't even just viewers, HS was much more hyped even when people couldn't play it, probably because there was no other clear option, while HotS people just keep playing LoL or Dota if they can't play it.
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Streamers were handing keys for HS.
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HS had big stream numbers because every streamer had a bunch of keys to give away while blizzard wasn't doing waves of invites. They realized that was a bit silly eventually and started doing mass waves.
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On October 11 2014 22:03 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +
I base my predictio on what I saw from the alpha and from the stream numbers. I wonder how it will really play out though.
Eh, are your basing your premise on streaming numbers from a game people can't play becasue its in alpha? I don't think that makes sense.
Actually I wrote that because I wanted to show that I have poor sources for my prediction, not as proof that it is going to be that way. Hence why I am wondering how it is going to play out on release.
I guess I needed to elaborate a bit more in my previous post, my bad.
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yes, it seems very possible, because he has a regular team with Sheth, afaik
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They are on different teams now.
Sheth is on team GGBB (Zuna, Sheth, KingCaffiene, Bicep, Can'tremember5th)
Idra is still on Snowflake.
I actually assume Idra is going back to EG.
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wonder how hard it would be playing a bunch of HotS every day to catch up to the good players snce the games fairly new and not figured out
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On October 13 2014 10:10 Kurisu wrote:
They are on different teams now.
Sheth is on team GGBB (Zuna, Sheth, KingCaffiene, Bicep, Can'tremember5th)
Idra is still on Snowflake.
I actually assume Idra is going back to EG.
No way EG wants Idra back. I think he has prooved with his Sc2 that he actually isn't good enough to be competitive when other people take it seriously as well. He will have a head-start early on, but after a couple of months after release, he will be a non-factor. Moreover, he is a also a full-time student.
On top of that, Alex Garfield isn't too big of a fan of his attitude.
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On October 13 2014 12:07 KDot2 wrote:
wonder how hard it would be playing a bunch of HotS every day to catch up to the good players snce the games fairly new and not figured out
I've probably dumped around 100 or so hours into HotS and I feel like my technical play is almost there, but the game is about 75% decision making on a team level, so there's only so much you can do practicing without a team.
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On October 13 2014 21:24 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 12:07 KDot2 wrote:
wonder how hard it would be playing a bunch of HotS every day to catch up to the good players snce the games fairly new and not figured out I've probably dumped around 100 or so hours into HotS and I feel like my technical play is almost there, but the game is about 75% decision making on a team level, so there's only so much you can do practicing without a team.
This is pretty accurate. While you will just have to hammer out a bunch of games at 1st to get the feel and learn the Heroes, after that a lot of improvement comes in working as a 5 man unit. Many more things come into play.
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Did EG announce its team yet?
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So who else thinks this "the return" or whatever video on EG's site implies Idra/LZgamer being back on an EG Heroes team in the pickup of Snowflake?
Ohhh man, blizzcon's gonna be so good.
http://thereturn.evilgeniuses.gg/ I'm confident the pickup of snowflake is imminent.
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