EPTAnd Topalov's team is gay as shit. Using arbitrary statistical numbers to try to show that Kramnik was using Fritz?
[chess] Topalov vs Kramnik - Page 15
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
And Topalov's team is gay as shit. Using arbitrary statistical numbers to try to show that Kramnik was using Fritz? | ||
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Agone
American Samoa231 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
If game 5 is played its bad for topalov, if he loses/draws game 5 he cannot win the series | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
@Agone: In case of draw (6-6) neither is champion, more games will be played with shorten time control. @LeoTheLion: Yeah, it's certainly gay, but remember who started the shit? No? Let me remind you - few months ago two russian top GM accused Topalov of computer help. What proves do they have? None? | ||
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MOBAJOBG
Malaysia9 Posts
It is crystal clear to me that the previous Appeals Committee had made an inappropriate/flawed decision in Kirsan's absence who was having a meeting with Putin somewhere else and the Chief Arbiter dutifully or naively allowed play to commence and when the allotted time ticked away, signed his signature on the Game 5 score sheet awarding the controversial win to Topalov. ATTENTION: The previous Appeals Committee is in mostly likelihood, not aware of the players agreement about the unhindered frequency of players' private bathrooms access. I believe, the previous Appeals Committee had erred in their assessment of Kramnik's reprisal action or didn't think much about its repercussion. Kramnik can sue FIDE for the previous Appeals Committee inappropriate/flawed decision to lock his private bathroom without his consent and win on this issue only but the Game 5 result cannot be simply reversed. Team Kramnik should not have rushed to demand that the previous Appeals Committee be sacked immediately. Instead on hindsight, it should have been wiser to hold a discussion or pow-wow with FIDE President, the previous Appeals Committee, Team Topalov and Team Kramnik to find the best outcome or resolution before Game 6 is even played. Then proceed to slap the previous Appeals Committee silly with a well-deserved sacking for their lack of professionalism or abuse of their draconian powers, plunging our beloved intellectual game into disrepute. | ||
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ssj100
Afghanistan320 Posts
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lololol
5198 Posts
On October 10 2006 18:34 Plexa wrote: Personally, im against game 5 being played after game 12 for these reasons; 1) Kramnik had the choice to turn up but did not, thus, his fault 2) A true professional, deserving of the title WOULD have turned up 3) If game 5 was so important to Kramnik he should have brought this up AT the time, or near to it not JUST before the final game i hope topalov wins.. much more exciting player QFT | ||
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BlackJack
United States10479 Posts
I understand that Topalov is from your country which may incline you to be his fan boy, but try to look at the facts. Kramnik has been correct through this entire controversy. A true professional would have played game 5? Karpov says he would have walked away from the match completely. Korchnoi says he would have walked away from the match completely. Dozens of other grandmasters have shown their support for Kramnik, such as Svidler, Short, Carlsen, Kosteniuk. Kramnik never accepted the forfeit for game 5. He's played the match under protest since then. | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10479 Posts
On October 12 2006 01:19 One Page Memory wrote: Topalov's words: "One thing I can say: the place of the sportsman is in the field or on the stage in front of the audience, and not in rest rooms or toilets." Toplaov could not make any difference of the outcome of game 5. The score was officially fixed. Topalov could have refused the forfeit win. Too bad his actions can't follow his words. | ||
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Agone
American Samoa231 Posts
On October 12 2006 01:39 BlackJack wrote: [removed quote within quote] Topalov could have refused the forfeit win. Too bad his actions can't follow his words. To be honest I absolutly don't care what they have done or not done. The only thing that i'm interested in is how they play chess. Topalov impressed me more. He blundered more but he was in control for most of the game. Also Kramnik just played for the draw during most of the game (which was tactically a good choice) but was unable to keep his advance. | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
On October 12 2006 01:39 BlackJack wrote: [removed quote within quote] Topalov could have refused the forfeit win. Too bad his actions can't follow his words. Sorry, but I can't understand you. Topalov was on the table waiting for the game to start, and nothing in his powers about the outcome. Forfeit was fixed by the arbiters, not Topalov. In all the sports I know the arbiters make decisions which are undisputable by the players (of course its other thing are the decisions final or not). Edit: Simple example: One week ago I was playing Bulgarian National Team Championship - second division. In the final round, where nothing mattered anyway (we and our opponents wasted our chances for promotion previous round)my teammate forgot to turn off the cell phone and it ringed. It happened while on the second move. Arbiters came, and even all the players and captains agreed on playing the loss was fixed. | ||
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
On October 12 2006 01:19 One Page Memory wrote: Korchnoi and Karpov said that, but they are not in Kramnik's position. Also they are not very reliable, at least in my opinion. Why? Well - both russian, both have been in various match scandals. Even more - Kramnik has never adhered to any principles and has always been led by his current personal interests. Kramnik tried several times to play in the FIDE championships and when it did not work, Kasparov offered a match to him as a gift, together with a virtual title of world champion. Topalov's words: "One thing I can say: the place of the sportsman is in the field or on the stage in front of the audience, and not in rest rooms or toilets." Toplaov could not make any difference of the outcome of game 5. The score was officially fixed. Remember Fisher's match? Fisher continued playing and actually won. Fisher refused to play because he wanted the game conditions to be changed, not because they were changed without his consent. That's a different matter. You say Karpov and Korchnoi don't have an objective point of view since they're Russian, but then you know you can't be objective either. And Kasparov didn't offer the match as a gift to Kramnick. He was his best possible opponent at the time and he did a very good job, almost nobody expected him to beat Kasparov. This controversy is a shame, since this duel was supposed to be for unification, but, if Kramnick doesn't win the last game (draw or loss, game 5 result would have an impact on the final result), it will only cause more arguments and we will still have 2 champions... | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
And yes, match was a gift, not the outcome of the match, but the match itself. Lastly I totally agree on last paragraph with you - the situation is shame for chess, but please do not blame solely Topa for creating it. | ||
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
In the Fisher-Spassky match, Fisher wanted a few changes and only got them because Spassky accepted (his biggest mistake, Fisher broke him psychologically after that :p). If not, Fisher would have walked away from the match. Here, Topalov manager got the ref to change rules without Kramnick consent. It really sucks. I think you have to give more credit to GM opinions since they're more used to that kind of matches, pressure and tricks. Kramnick could have walked away without any shame, especially being ahead. I disagree on the Kramnick-Kasparov match. Kramnick was at the peak of his form and, i think, the only one who could beat Kasparov at that time. At first, i was cheering for Topalov, the most impressive player of the 2, but now it's all fucked up. | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
1. "Is Kramnik the legitimate champion? Yes. No. It still depends on whether you rate a private match as a legitimate forum when there is an official international chess body (FIDE). The match pitted the top two rated players in the world, and the tantrum-prone Kasparov calmly recognizes his conqueror as the 14th world champion." 2. "In spite of defeating Garry Kasparov in match in October, 2000, almost nobody ever refers to Vladimir Kramnik as World Chess Champion. The best he can hope for is to be called the "Braingames World Champion". Although there have been suggestions that this is because Shirov rather than Kramnik should have been the one to play Kasparov in a match, that is not the real reason that Kramnik is not taken seriously as World Chess Champion." From the Makropolous statement: "Further to this, we received open letters from both sides. I would like to share my opinion with you. According to the contract, FIDE shall provide both players with a restroom and a toilet. It is obvious for us that the contract is not binding us to provide the toilet in the restroom, otherwise the sentence would read "a restroom with a toilet". Therefore, the appeal of Mr. Hensel regarding this point of the contract are groundless." I don't see change of rules here, just change one toilet with another. Why its so scary for Kramnik? Lets stick to the game now ... | ||
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BlackJack
United States10479 Posts
On October 12 2006 02:36 One Page Memory wrote: [removed quote within quote] Sorry, but I can't understand you. Topalov was on the table waiting for the game to start, and nothing in his powers about the outcome. Forfeit was fixed by the arbiters, not Topalov. In all the sports I know the arbiters make decisions which are undisputable by the players (of course its other thing are the decisions final or not). Team Topalov has suspected his opponent of cheating, threatened to quit the match, threatened to refuse to shake his opponent's hand, accepted a forfeit victory for a game he did not play, and then accused his opponent of cheating again by comparing his moves to Fritz's. If the stage is the place for the sportsman, Topalov should get off of it. | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
As for final game - so far quiet opening, with minimal advantage for white (Kramnik). The last Topalov's move 13. ... f5 is speaking that he's not settled for a draw. Lets see how the situaton will develop. | ||
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ssj100
Afghanistan320 Posts
Mr. Topalov! Please, your style makes me sick. Anyway, Kramnik playing solidly as usual. Looks like he has an option to open up some lines, perhaps the c-file. | ||
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ssj100
Afghanistan320 Posts
Wow! I think that was a small mistake. Kramnik must try to prise the c-file now with 19. b5! | ||
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