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[chess] Topalov vs Kramnik

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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 06:14:55
September 22 2006 06:13 GMT
#1
World Championship reunification match begins tomorrow.

Background:

In 1993, due to a growing dissatisfaction of the world chess organization, World Champion Garry Kasparov and challenger Nigel Short announced that they would play their title match outside the jurisdiction of FIDE. Their decision and subsequent events created a schism in the World Championship which continued to this day. Kasparov continued to defend his title, and in the year 2000 he lost a title match to Vladimir Kramnik, who thereby became the 14th Classical World Chess Champion.

In 2005, the FIDE Championship featured eight of the strongest players (but not Kramnik) in a double round-robin tournament in San Luis, Argentina. Leaving competitors in his dust, Bulgarian grandmaster Veselin Topalov won 6 out of his first 7 games, and was soon crowned FIDE World Chess Champion.

In September 2006, these two giants will face off for a 12 game reunification match in Elista, Kalmykia. For the first time in over 13 years, the winner will be declared the one and only World Chess Champion.


Time Controls:

120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes for the next 20 moves and then 15 minutes for the rest of the game plus an additional 30 seconds per move starting from move 61.


Obligatory poll:

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Poll: Pick the winner
(Vote): Topalov
(Vote): Kramnik

Topalov ftw
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
September 22 2006 06:21 GMT
#2
I don't know. Fill me in on this one chess is very cool
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 22 2006 06:40 GMT
#3
Basically, in 1993, world champion Garry Kasparov broke away from FIDE, the organization that has traditionally hosted the championship match. Since then there has been two world champions: The Classical world champion (Garry Kasparov, until he lost to Kramnik in 2000) and the FIDE world champion, currently Veselin Topalov. Now they are facing off to reunite the two titles.
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
September 22 2006 06:46 GMT
#4
I don't see anyone beating Topalov in a match in his current form.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 06:59:26
September 22 2006 06:57 GMT
#5
ok so who's the king and why? and Kasparov is retired?
maoam
Profile Joined June 2006
United Kingdom444 Posts
September 22 2006 07:21 GMT
#6
Kasparov retired a while ago after the FIDE WC fiasco, he had prepared for a match with Kazimdzhanov, but it never happened. We did see some of his legendary opening preparation in his last games at Linares, and a glimpse of what might have been as he crushed Kaz with Black. This was all a result of his and Short's decision to split from FIDE (as BlackJack said). It would've been a unification match. Instead, Kramnik, being the classical title holder, defended against Peter Leko, and avoided any unification match till now.

Topalov is liked for his aggressive style, so in a way he is taking on the mantle of Kasparov in the battle of dynamism vs. solid positional play. I think Topalov will win, but I'd like to see good form from Kramnik.
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One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
September 22 2006 07:22 GMT
#7
This match will show who is the real king.
And Kramnik is very good match player, while Topalov don't have such big experience in matches.
Also Kramnik plays very unsuitable chess for Topalov.
With this said I think chances are 50-50 right now.
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
September 22 2006 07:23 GMT
#8
On September 22 2006 15:40 BlackJack wrote:
Basically, in 1993, world champion Garry Kasparov broke away from FIDE, the organization that has traditionally hosted the championship match. Since then there has been two world champions: The Classical world champion (Garry Kasparov, until he lost to Kramnik in 2000) and the FIDE world champion, currently Veselin Topalov. Now they are facing off to reunite the two titles.


Thanks. I understand what's going on now .

I have no idea what the Chess scene is like, but if he went 6-?-? out of 7 then I'm betting Topalov will take The One Title.
Shymon
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States620 Posts
September 22 2006 07:30 GMT
#9
Kramnik should have this in the bag, since his match play is par none.

if it was a tourny then Topalov would win, but Kramnik turtles like a mofo as black (to use a sc annology) and is one tough cookie to get a win out of. And since drawsare as good as wins with black in match play....
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
September 22 2006 07:48 GMT
#10
draw=win if you control black? lol why
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 22 2006 07:56 GMT
#11
On September 22 2006 16:48 Patriot.dlk wrote:
draw=win if you control black? lol why


white has slight advantage. so if you draw with black, you're ahead.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 22 2006 08:02 GMT
#12
I don't really get the time control thing?

If it's 120 minutes for first 40 moves and then 60 minutes for the next 20 moves, why can't they just do 180 minutes for the first 60 moves?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
September 22 2006 08:06 GMT
#13
On September 22 2006 16:56 penitent exile wrote:
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white has slight advantage. so if you draw with black, you're ahead.


that does not make sense to me
Pwntrucci[sR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1519 Posts
September 22 2006 08:10 GMT
#14
if only there were reps
bg
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
September 22 2006 08:21 GMT
#15
On September 22 2006 17:06 Patriot.dlk wrote:
[removed quote within quote]

that does not make sense to me


white moves first, and so has a slight advantage. so if they end up drawing, black progressed further.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
September 22 2006 08:27 GMT
#16
But the advantage from moving first seems to be a little to little to losing every draw? Well I guess not seing it's the official rule=p

stack
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada348 Posts
September 22 2006 08:29 GMT
#17
On September 22 2006 17:10 mr.bad wrote:
if only there were reps

the 94 game
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 22 2006 09:06 GMT
#18
On September 22 2006 17:02 Cambium wrote:
I don't really get the time control thing?

If it's 120 minutes for first 40 moves and then 60 minutes for the next 20 moves, why can't they just do 180 minutes for the first 60 moves?


Many games don't go past those first 40 moves, so the extra 60 minutes can't be used unless it's a really long game.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 09:33:31
September 22 2006 09:32 GMT
#19
I think that Kramnik will take this match. Provided that he's in good form and healthy (no problems here as far as I can see), Kramnik should be able to neutralize Topalov with black and press home a couple of positions as white. That said, it's only a 12 game match (why not 24?!), so I anticipate, if the Leko-Kramnik match is anything to go by, only 2-3 decisive games. As a drawn match gives the title to Kramnik, Kramnik is perfectly happy with a draw every single game. Kramnik's health might become an issue later on in the match, so no matter what the score is, don't count out Topalov until it's over.

Basically, re: the white versus black debate: White generally dictates the flow of the game from move one. This leads to positions where, since he got the first move, he has a minor advantage (at least at these exalted levels of play and preparation).
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 10:09:06
September 22 2006 10:06 GMT
#20
On September 22 2006 17:27 Patriot.dlk wrote:
But the advantage from moving first seems to be a little to little to losing every draw? Well I guess not seing it's the official rule=p



i don't think they mean that it gets translated into a win, just that black drawing is a "good" play for the black player.

On September 22 2006 17:02 Cambium wrote:
I don't really get the time control thing?

If it's 120 minutes for first 40 moves and then 60 minutes for the next 20 moves, why can't they just do 180 minutes for the first 60 moves?


so that if someone takes over 120 minutes to do the first 40 moves then they will lose
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