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[chess] Topalov vs Kramnik - Page 2

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Pwntrucci[sR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1519 Posts
September 22 2006 10:09 GMT
#21
On September 22 2006 17:29 stack wrote:
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the 94 game
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070681


Hm, I understood everything that happened in that game, yep.

(HEAD EXPLODES LIKE 25 TIMES LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |-_-|-_-|
bg
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 10:20:45
September 22 2006 10:20 GMT
#22
On September 22 2006 17:29 stack wrote:
[removed quote within quote]
the 94 game
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070681



ugh i'm feeling dumb and don't understand why black didn't take the rook at

40 ...Ke7

there must be some really simple mate afterwards that i'm missing or??
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Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 10:44:43
September 22 2006 10:38 GMT
#23
White's bishop can slide to e4. Checks the king and then capture black's rook. Pawn would then have free range.
Black would have been pawned. hahahaha so nerdy
Pwntrucci[sR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1519 Posts
September 22 2006 10:57 GMT
#24
how can they see so far in the future?
bg
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
September 22 2006 11:02 GMT
#25
they called ms. cleo
impatience is a virtue
Shymon
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States620 Posts
September 22 2006 11:24 GMT
#26
On September 22 2006 19:57 mr.bad wrote:
how can they see so far in the future?


beacuse most times you don't have to actually read that far in advance. i would say that most positions (read non-combination freindly ones) require maybe at most a 3 move tree (a "tree" meaning what it would look like if you diagramed it out) to read out. Such a tree requires no extreme calculations and is fairly easy to do for most people, now evalutating the end result is what really seperates the best players.

Combinations on the other hand sometimes require much deeper trees, sometimes 9-10 or more moves. However here there are shortcuts in caluation, forcing moves, forced moves, clearly supiror postions, or mate threats all cut down potential large sections of the tree beacuse the moves are more or less forced to go down a logical path. thus the premutations are not so duanting as they may first seem, but again evaluating the end position is vital (seeing how it will play out in advance does nothing if it is a worse position for you).

oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 22 2006 11:53 GMT
#27
I've been waiting for this for a while now. ^^
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karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
September 22 2006 12:06 GMT
#28
i really hope that topalov takes this since i like his style more. however, kramnik is one tough cookie when it comes to matches.

for those that dont follow chess that much it can be hard to understand why one player can be good at matches especially, they play chess the same way they play in tournaments right?
well, in matches where several games are played against the same oponent specific preparation becomes crucial, and in the field kramnik is arguably the best in the world. the best example is when kramnik wrested the title from kasparov ( Topalov is the logical heir to the dynamic style of chess which was the signum of Kaspaov ) by cleverly stearing the games into well rehearsed endgames where kaspaov felt uncomfortable.

As i see it Topalov probably is the slightly stronger player over all. But his lack of match experience makes this a toss up. Also Kramnik has shown that he is capable of shutting down players with similar style to Tpalov.

The unknown factor is Kramniks current healthcondition. He is suffering from some sort of rheumatic disease which has kept him from serious competition for quite some time.
zzzzzz
bearnet2001
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Argentina335 Posts
September 22 2006 12:53 GMT
#29
Kramnik, slow and steady, always comes through.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
September 22 2006 13:19 GMT
#30
I voted for Kramnik.

I prefer his machine flawless gamestyle over Topalov's aggressiveness, but let's see
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 22 2006 14:08 GMT
#31
Personally I think Kramnik will win, but I'll be rooting for Topa
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
September 22 2006 15:24 GMT
#32
Can`t wait! Does anyone know if you need a premium membership at chessgames.com to watch the fames live?
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
September 22 2006 15:52 GMT
#33
On September 22 2006 19:20 Locked wrote:
     [removed quote within quote]


ugh i'm feeling dumb and don't understand why black didn't take the rook at

40 ...Ke7

there must be some really simple mate afterwards that i'm missing or??


If he did that then B-e4 forks the King and Rook....trading Rooks is not good for black.
LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
September 22 2006 17:32 GMT
#34
On September 23 2006 00:24 mdb wrote:
Can`t wait! Does anyone know if you need a premium membership at chessgames.com to watch the fames live?


You do not. Get it directly from the world championship site. http://www.worldchess2006.com/main.asp?id=918
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
September 22 2006 18:12 GMT
#35
On September 23 2006 02:32 LTT wrote:
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You do not. Get it directly from the world championship site. http://www.worldchess2006.com/main.asp?id=918


Yeah, I guess I will watch teh moves on the official site and kibitz on chessgames . One hour to go !!! Go Topa. In Bulgarian Top = rook
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
September 22 2006 19:35 GMT
#36
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 dxc4 5.Bg2 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 a5 7.Qc2 Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 c6 9.a4 b5 10. axb5 cxb5 11.Qg5 0-0 12.Qxb5 Ba6

They are playing fast, suppose they both are prepred well for Catalan.
Pathetic Greta hater.
kaktusplant
Profile Joined May 2005
Romania4 Posts
September 22 2006 19:40 GMT
#37
where did u get those moves from ?
..ah well..
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 19:42:38
September 22 2006 19:42 GMT
#38
Official site has coverage, also u can see moves, at playchess, chessbase, chassgames....many sites are covering the match..
Pathetic Greta hater.
kaktusplant
Profile Joined May 2005
Romania4 Posts
September 22 2006 19:44 GMT
#39
i see .. thx .. btw is the coverage from the official site working ? cuz at the games section i can only see an empty game 1
..ah well..
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-22 19:48:58
September 22 2006 19:48 GMT
#40
If u have yava aplett already opened u need to click on "Kramnik Vladimir vs Toplaove Veselin", down under the board.
Pathetic Greta hater.
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