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goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
September 23 2006 06:17 GMT
#61
FrozenArbiter, chess at this level isn't like Starcraft; draws are *more* likely to happen than someone actually winning. Especially with a player as rock-solid as Kramnik, who doesn't usually push for a win and now has to lose *2* games in 11 games to lose the title. Anyone see it happening? Another thing to notice is that an early win, especially one by Kramnik, puts psychological pressure on his opponent to try and press home small advantages that ordinarily, Topalov would simply draw. This could lead to Topalov overpressing and putting him at an even greater disadvantage.

Topalov pressing today may have been a test to see how well Kramnik would fare in a long game and perhaps, even try and break him down physically down a bit for later in the match. It certainly wasn't worth a loss and the match is only 12 games, so I don't know if it was such a good idea (hindsight being 20-20 and all)...
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-23 06:39:55
September 23 2006 06:38 GMT
#62
this is beutiful. Go kramnik.. And the possibility of draw is what makes GO a better game
HiFi
Profile Joined February 2004
United States518 Posts
September 23 2006 17:53 GMT
#63
just in case you need standalone pgn(chess rep) viewer, here's Chess Theatre
http://www.download.com/ChessTheatre/3000-7562_4-10560376.html?tag=lst-0-4

a neat program, you can see all commetaries at once.
dont spam ya apm, no good 4 ya health
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-23 22:17:37
September 23 2006 22:17 GMT
#64
Ay Carumba! Topalov missing a clear, forced win at move 32 doesn't happen often. According to Fritz, white was up by 7-8 pawns!

GM Topalov,Veselin(BUL) (2813) - GM Kramnik,Vladimir(RUS) (2743)
World Championship Match Elista (2), 24.09.2006
[Robot 2]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bxc4 Bb4 8.0-0 Nbd7 9.Qe2 Bg6 10.e4 0-0 11.Bd3 Bh5 12.e5 Nd5 13.Nxd5 cxd5 14.Qe3 Bg6 15.Ng5 Re8 16.f4 Bxd3 17.Qxd3 f5 18.Be3 Nf8 19.Kh1 Rc8 20.g4 Qd7 21.Rg1 Be7 GM Short: Ne6! 22.Nf3 Rc4 23.Rg2 fxg4 24.Rxg4 Rxa4 25.Rag1 g6 26.h4 Rb4 27.h5 Qb5 28.Qc2 Rxb2 29.hxg6 h5 30.g7 hxg4 31.gxf8Q+ Bxf8 32.Qg6+ Bg7 Line

drift0ut
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United Kingdom691 Posts
September 23 2006 22:25 GMT
#65
HiFi's sig is very appropriate to this thread
gacha
Profile Joined May 2006
Vietnam91 Posts
September 23 2006 22:42 GMT
#66
topalov gonna win this i think
Agone
Profile Joined November 2005
American Samoa231 Posts
September 23 2006 22:52 GMT
#67
Kramnik has a strong advantage for me.
gacha
Profile Joined May 2006
Vietnam91 Posts
September 23 2006 22:54 GMT
#68
wtf 35.Rc1 lol topalov
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
September 23 2006 22:56 GMT
#69
It`s a pity that Topalov could have made one of the best games ever and now he is losing
drift0ut
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United Kingdom691 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-23 23:09:06
September 23 2006 22:56 GMT
#70
where do you guys watch it? the one doesn't auto update for me, it's really annoyinghttp://www.worldchess2006.com/main.asp?id=940
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
September 23 2006 22:57 GMT
#71
Playchess works fine. Go to www.chessbase.com and download the client, enter in as a guest and enter the broadcast room.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
September 23 2006 22:59 GMT
#72
at http://audio.worldchessnetwork.com:8000/ there is live audio comentary
Agone
Profile Joined November 2005
American Samoa231 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-23 23:04:06
September 23 2006 23:03 GMT
#73
How could have topalov won?
gacha
Profile Joined May 2006
Vietnam91 Posts
September 23 2006 23:09 GMT
#74
if he doesnt Rc1 at the 36th move , he should Bh6
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
September 23 2006 23:12 GMT
#75
On September 24 2006 07:59 mdb wrote:
at http://audio.worldchessnetwork.com:8000/ there is live audio comentary


Where is the commentator (Christiansen?) inputting the moves? ICC?
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
September 23 2006 23:13 GMT
#76
On September 24 2006 08:03 Agone wrote:
How could have topalov won?



On move 32 there is a forced mate for white - 32.Qg6 [32.Rxg4+ Bg7 33.Qc7 Qf1+ 34.Ng1]
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
September 23 2006 23:14 GMT
#77
On September 24 2006 08:12 goldrush wrote:
     [removed quote within quote]

Where is the commentator (Christiansen?) inputting the moves? ICC?


I dont know. I am trying to find out too.
drift0ut
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United Kingdom691 Posts
September 23 2006 23:17 GMT
#78
On September 24 2006 07:57 goldrush wrote:
Playchess works fine. Go to www.chessbase.com and download the client, enter in as a guest and enter the broadcast room.

i get server is down
gacha
Profile Joined May 2006
Vietnam91 Posts
September 23 2006 23:19 GMT
#79
yeah lolz .
but topolov play like shit man
gacha
Profile Joined May 2006
Vietnam91 Posts
September 23 2006 23:22 GMT
#80
lol after Queen exchange , two black pawn a2 b2 gonna rape his ass
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