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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-05 00:05:49
October 04 2006 23:59 GMT
#241
hey man no need to ofend. replace "flame" with "joke"..... I mean sorry but "retarded" ? we're chess players right ? so let's keep an intelectual level here and enjoy the match
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
larrysbird
Profile Joined May 2006
375 Posts
October 05 2006 01:02 GMT
#242
ggnr... topalov wins -.-
Is there a cure among us from this processed sanity - c soul
Agone
Profile Joined November 2005
American Samoa231 Posts
October 05 2006 01:59 GMT
#243
good match and an interesting win.
MOBAJOBG
Profile Joined July 2006
Malaysia9 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-05 10:39:47
October 05 2006 09:53 GMT
#244
Oh dear! The score is deadlocked at 4-4.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10479 Posts
October 06 2006 20:16 GMT
#245
Game nine has started. After 10 moves, only 2 of Topalov's pawn remain on the 2nd rank. Should be fun.
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
October 06 2006 22:04 GMT
#246
My engines agree that on move 30 Topalov has advantage sufficient for victory (from 1.65 to 1.95).
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10479 Posts
October 06 2006 22:10 GMT
#247
My engine tells me that Kramnik has less than 15 minutes on his clock
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
October 06 2006 22:25 GMT
#248
Yes, Kramnik is under heavy pressure. Two knights versus two bishops, a crappy pawn structure and less space are his due. Enough to win? I don't really know. Lateral defense along the second rank might be enough for Kramnik to hold on here.

And just as I say that, Kramnik plays the horrible 35... Nf8?. I'm sorry, but to my amateurish eyes, that's just a HORIBBLE move. He's going down now...
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10479 Posts
October 06 2006 22:36 GMT
#249
1-0 Topalov wins.

Impressive comeback by Topalov. He now leads the match by 1 point with 3 games to go. However, to be the undisputed champion in public opinion, Topalov would have to lead by 2 games since one of his wins came from a forfeit. I think Kramnik should play smart chess and take an opening if he sees it instead of going all out for a win.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 06 2006 22:44 GMT
#250
topalov is showing form now.. after a shakey start .. but hey he seems to have a habit of shakey starts =/
neverthless, kramnik is looking far below the standard that i expected from him...
Topa should win the next few imo
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One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
October 06 2006 23:24 GMT
#251
On October 07 2006 07:36 BlackJack wrote:
1-0 Topalov wins.

Impressive comeback by Topalov. He now leads the match by 1 point with 3 games to go. However, to be the undisputed champion in public opinion, Topalov would have to lead by 2 games since one of his wins came from a forfeit. I think Kramnik should play smart chess and take an opening if he sees it instead of going all out for a win.

Agree about the "undesputness" /if there such a word /, although there always will be people that will say that Topalov team break Kramnik's concentration and etc.
Now the interesting part is coming - Kramnik MUST play for a win. Lets see how will he do that.
I am so excited.
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
October 07 2006 01:45 GMT
#252
Well, he doesn't HAVE to play for a win. Three games left is enough for him to draw a couple of games and win the last one. Let's not forget the Leko-Kramnik match, where Kramnik won the last game to draw and win the match.
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
October 07 2006 04:52 GMT
#253
Topalov finding some form. Kramnik tiring.
SexyGG
Profile Joined May 2006
Bulgaria62 Posts
October 07 2006 07:44 GMT
#254
toplalov ftw
bearnet2001
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Argentina335 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-07 11:17:12
October 07 2006 11:15 GMT
#255
Topalov has to win by 2 games for it to be considered an actual win, although he'd technically take it. If he wins by 1 game, then if you take the forfeit out it would be drawn, and Kramnik would have retained the title.

But I think Kramnik would have won this long ago if not for Topalov's team's mindgames. Really, Kramnik should have just pulled a Fischer and left after the forfeit. In fact, even if Kramnik loses every single game, Topavlov won't be considered the undisputed champ: technically yes, in players minds, no. Just a player who can only win off the chessboard.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-07 11:34:01
October 07 2006 11:30 GMT
#256
On October 07 2006 20:15 bearnet2001 wrote:
Topalov has to win by 2 games for it to be considered an actual win, although he'd technically take it. If he wins by 1 game, then if you take the forfeit out it would be drawn, and Kramnik would have retained the title.

But I think Kramnik would have won this long ago if not for Topalov's team's mindgames. Really, Kramnik should have just pulled a Fischer and left after the forfeit. In fact, even if Kramnik loses every single game, Topavlov won't be considered the undisputed champ: technically yes, in players minds, no. Just a player who can only win off the chessboard.
i disagree... topalov has shakey starts and recovers well. kramnik hasnt been playing *supurb chess* (for his level anyway) but it was more topa's weakness which cost him the first two games. Topa found his form, and now is going to run kramnik into the ground... imo he is undisputedly the world champ, and itll be confirmed after the conlcusion of this series...
The games topa have lost have been remembered for Topa's mistakes not kramniks good play, imo this entire series has been topa dominated (all events coming from topa)
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goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
October 07 2006 21:48 GMT
#257
GM Kramnik,Vladimir(RUS) (2743) - GM Topalov,Veselin(BUL) (2813) World Championship Elista (10), 08.10.2006
[Robot 1]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Be7 6.Bg2 0-0 7.0-0 c6 8.Bf4 Nbd7 9.Qc2 a5 10.Rd1 Nh5 11.Bc1 b5 12.cxd5 cxd5 13.e4 dxe4 14.Qxe4 Rb8 15.Qe2 Nhf6 16.Bf4 Rb6 17.Ne5 Nd5 18.Bxd5 exd5 19.Nc3 Nf6 20.Nxb5 Ba6 21.a4 Ne4 22.Rdc1 Qe8 23.Rc7 Bd8 24.Ra7 f6 25.Nd7 Rf7 26.Nxb6 Rxa7 27.Nxd5 Rd7 Line

Kramnik fighting back! White is clearly better in this position and is up a couple of pawns. Black has the two bishops, but they aren't worth the extra material. White should be able to consolidate his material and win this easily.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10479 Posts
October 07 2006 22:03 GMT
#258
It's also an open and tricky position. Kramnik has 10 moves to go with 17 minutes on his clock.
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
October 07 2006 22:06 GMT
#259
I don't know how tricky it is. Where's the black counterplay for the extra pawns? He will probably have to give up the bishop pair for one of the knights and in such a position, where black has to constantly worry about f3 (winning the pinned knight), white should be able to conslidate fairly easily into a won endgame.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10479 Posts
October 07 2006 22:40 GMT
#260
You're right, Kramnik is up a rook for a knight, and now has an extra hour. Should be an easy 1-0.
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