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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 04 2006 14:16 GMT
#221
all the games have started 7am EST
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
October 04 2006 18:38 GMT
#222
Kramnik's team should analyze 100 games from other GMs and see on average, what percentage of their moves match up with Fritz. I bet it's around the level that Kramnik's getting. But Kramnik seems to be a really nice guy, not really paying attention to Topalov's team.

I think Top's just crying because he lost 2-0.
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
October 04 2006 20:20 GMT
#223
GM Kramnik,Vladimir(RUS) (2750) - GM Topalov,Veselin(BUL) (2813)
World Chess Championship Elista (8), 05.10.2006
[Robot 1]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Be2 Bb7 9.0-0 b4 10.Na4 c5 11.dxc5 Nxc5 12.Bb5+ Ncd7 13.Ne5 Qc7 14.Qd4 Rd8 15.Bd2 Qa5 16.Bc6 Be7 17. Rfc1

Topalov looks fine in this position, though it is an uncompromising and combative line. I'm a bit surprised that Kramnik allowed Topalov to play it. One of the most interesting games yet is in the making.
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
October 04 2006 21:39 GMT
#224
Just joined in.

Interesting situation. (29 Rc1)
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 04 2006 21:43 GMT
#225
Two minor pieces for a rook and a pawn. This should be a fun end game.
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
October 04 2006 21:54 GMT
#226
Okay I suck at chess but I'll try to play along to see how much moves my noobness gets "right".

I think 31 ... g6
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
October 04 2006 21:58 GMT
#227
yeah this works too. -.- bah
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-04 22:14:59
October 04 2006 22:10 GMT
#228
2 rooks and an extra pawn vs 1 rook and 2 knights.

This should be interesting to watch . Fortunately they move so slowly that I can just check up on them every 5 minutes while working .

Edit: seems like Topalov has been moving (much) faster than Kramnik in the first 40 minutes of every game...?
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
October 04 2006 22:13 GMT
#229
hehe;

this drooks a bit like a law to me, but I have such limited understand that 99% of the implications of the situation probably escapes my notice.
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-04 22:40:24
October 04 2006 22:23 GMT
#230
37. f3

Good move, otherwise Topalov could have done this (if that pawn wasn't there and Kramnik made some other move):

37. ... Nd6
38. Rbc7 Rb8
39. Rc3 Ne4
40. Rd3 Nec5

and Topalov wins the pawn on b3 (I think?). But now Ne4 doesn't work.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-04 22:40:45
October 04 2006 22:39 GMT
#231
39. f4

Hmm... how can Topalov win this? One line of attack might be:
39. ... Ne4
40. __ Kf6
41. __ Nc5

Threatening both the b rook and pawn. Not sure where he can go from there.

... looks like Topalov made his move:
39. ... Kd6

Now he can play Nc5 on the next move. Kramnik might check with Rd1, and I'm not sure what kind of attack Topalov can put together from there =/.

Oh interesting, Topalov has left his g pawn for dead! Though Kramnik must protect e3 with a rook before his king can take g3...

40. Kf3 Nd5

Okay, I should stop analysing these positions and focus on my work =P.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-04 23:10:58
October 04 2006 22:50 GMT
#232
Actually, I got a bit of time. Let's see... Kramnik can't protect his e3 pawn with Re1 rightnow because of:

41. Re1 Nc5
42. Rb5 Nb3
43. Rb6+ Kc7

And Kramnik loses a rook. Alternatively, he can move his rook elsewhere for move 42 at the expense of his b pawn (and likely his a pawn as well).


Edit:
41. Kxg3 Nc5

Kramnik opts to exchange pawns. I couldn't see any obvious retaliatory threats from Topalov taking the e3 pawn, but it looks like he is pressing his attack on the b rook and pawn (similar to what I stepped through above). After all, he can take the e3 pawn whenever he wants, but doing so will waste 1 or 2 turns.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
October 04 2006 23:15 GMT
#233
lol bill your analysis sucks !

42 Rg7 Rb8
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
October 04 2006 23:30 GMT
#234
On October 05 2006 08:15 lightman wrote:
lol bill your analysis sucks !

42 Rg7 Rb8


What is that, some kind of retarded flame?

FYI, I enjoy reading others' analyses because it saves me from having to discover things on my own (assuming I would even see them at all). I imagine other people will feel the same way about mine.

I don't see you contributing anything right now.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
October 04 2006 23:34 GMT
#235
Just after Topalov's 48th move now. Kramnik has a passed pawn on the "a" file, but his king is in a precarious position. Then again, if it was dead, then I don't see why Topalov wouldn't just go for the mate instead of taking the b pawn. So maybe it is safe for now...
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
October 04 2006 23:38 GMT
#236
lol mate :-0
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
Aciduzzu
Profile Joined May 2004
Germany22 Posts
October 04 2006 23:39 GMT
#237
0-1 nice...
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
October 04 2006 23:40 GMT
#238
GG... errr I mean, checkmate! Topalov wins with black! Thanks to the forfeit, the score is now 4:4. I wonder if there is anything Kramnik could have done to avoid this fate (in the last 5 moves or so)?

Looks like rook + 2 knights beat 2 rooks + extra pawn .
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
October 04 2006 23:42 GMT
#239
4:4 ....... now that forfeit win will really mean the difference.

Hey Bill I was just kidding man ... can you take a joke ?
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-04 23:49:51
October 04 2006 23:44 GMT
#240
On October 05 2006 08:42 lightman wrote:
4:4 ....... now that forfeit win will really mean the difference.

Hey Bill I was just kidding man ... can you take a joke ?


Oh, my mistake. Replace "retarded flame" with "retarded joke" then. (jokes are supposed to be funny, but I don't see who would laugh at what you wrote...)
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