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goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-01 05:38:11
October 01 2006 05:37 GMT
#181
And apparently the match is on, according to: http://fide.com/news.asp?id=1136.

After the numerous rounds of the negotiations with the teams of Veselin Topalov and Vladimir Kramnik, FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov managed to reach the considerable progress.

As it was informed before, the question on the bathrooms was solved positively by mutual agreement of both teams.

After the voluntary resignation of the members of the 2006 World Chess Championship Appeals Committee, the new members of the Committee, who have already arrived to Elista, were assigned.

The FIDE President has made several proposals for further continuation of the match, which unfortunately were not accepted. After the detailed study of the current situation and the consultation with the FIDE Legal Advisor, the FIDE President decided:

Tomorrow, 2 October 2006, at 15.00, the 6th Game of the World Chess Championship Match Topalov-Kramnik with the score 3:2 in favour of Kramnik, will take place.


Quite ridiculous. If they thought it was hard to get sponsors for tournaments, think of how hard it will be now.
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
October 01 2006 05:42 GMT
#182
This is simply breaking the hearts of all chess fans. Glad to know they will resume the match, however. I think Kramnik has only himself to blame for giving Topalov Game 5.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
October 01 2006 12:27 GMT
#183
Kramnik shouldn't have forfeited game 5, I guess he didn't quite handle that situation well.

This was a clear strategy from Topalov's team to make him lose his concentration and obtain more rest days and eventually the free win. Plus, both teams now are really doing their best in making chess players look stupid in front of the whole world.

If Topalov was the one up 2-0, do you really think he would be complaining on how many times does Kramnik go to the bathroom ? I don't think so.
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
October 01 2006 16:00 GMT
#184
On October 01 2006 21:27 lightman wrote:
Kramnik shouldn't have forfeited game 5, I guess he didn't quite handle that situation well.

This was a clear strategy from Topalov's team to make him lose his concentration and obtain more rest days and eventually the free win. Plus, both teams now are really doing their best in making chess players look stupid in front of the whole world.

If Topalov was the one up 2-0, do you really think he would be complaining on how many times does Kramnik go to the bathroom ? I don't think so.


True that. I too can't help thinking that Team Topalov just invented this whole debacle up.
Agone
Profile Joined November 2005
American Samoa231 Posts
October 01 2006 20:30 GMT
#185
Kramnik is playing for the draw one more time and Topalov is very agressive as always.
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
October 01 2006 20:42 GMT
#186
Game 6: Position looks drawn after 20 moves
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
October 01 2006 20:52 GMT
#187
But Kramnik plays 20. ... f6, creating some complications. He should have attempted to simplify further with 20. .... Bc5!
Agone
Profile Joined November 2005
American Samoa231 Posts
October 01 2006 22:04 GMT
#188
Draw... And a boring one sadly.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 02 2006 00:37 GMT
#189
For those who haven't followed this, it might actually seem like Topalov's accusation is reasonable, but it's so incredibly stupid. Just look at the games, and it's utterly obvious Kramnik isn't cheating.

Guess Danailov got what he wanted though, a free win for his player. -_-
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
October 02 2006 00:46 GMT
#190
On October 02 2006 09:37 Orome wrote:
For those who haven't followed this, it might actually seem like Topalov's accusation is reasonable, but it's so incredibly stupid. Just look at the games, and it's utterly obvious Kramnik isn't cheating.

Guess Danailov got what he wanted though, a free win for his player. -_-

You cannot say that , because even if you are right and this is just a trick that Topalov team made to distract Kramnik, no one stopped Kramnik to play that fifth game. Topalov had a problem with Kramnik WC however he went to play the fifth game
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
October 02 2006 01:34 GMT
#191
What a bunch of pansies. Do you see Boxer taking 10 trips to the WC when he plays SC?
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
October 02 2006 01:57 GMT
#192
On October 02 2006 10:34 Hippopotamus wrote:
What a bunch of pansies. Do you see Boxer taking 10 trips to the WC when he plays SC?


True, but most BW games are only 30 mins long
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
sUng
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany46 Posts
October 02 2006 02:27 GMT
#193
and i think kramnik claims to have some kind of condition that requires him to use the bathroom rather frequently.
btw i hoped for more drama...or none at all
so now i hope for ggs.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 02 2006 06:13 GMT
#194
On October 02 2006 09:46 M2 wrote:
[removed quote within quote]
You cannot say that , because even if you are right and this is just a trick that Topalov team made to distract Kramnik, no one stopped Kramnik to play that fifth game. Topalov had a problem with Kramnik WC however he went to play the fifth game


Topalov did not have a problem with Kramnik's WC because Kramnik's WC was locked for the 5th game. imo, Kramnik has been 100% in the right during this entire debacle. It's pretty honorable for him to continue on 3:2 for the sake of chess fans.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 02 2006 08:23 GMT
#195
On October 02 2006 09:46 M2 wrote:
     [removed quote within quote]
You cannot say that , because even if you are right and this is just a trick that Topalov team made to distract Kramnik, no one stopped Kramnik to play that fifth game. Topalov had a problem with Kramnik WC however he went to play the fifth game


I'm not saying it was right for him not to have played the fifth game, I'm only talking about Danailov's accusation, which was clearly bs. Whether or not Kramnik should've turned up for the fifth game is another question, and I really don't know enough about the FIDE and the whole commity Kramnik didn't like to answer that.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
MOBAJOBG
Profile Joined July 2006
Malaysia9 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-02 13:45:58
October 02 2006 10:55 GMT
#196
If Kramnik's WC had not been locked, Topalov would in the most likelihood not have come out to play Game 5. In addition, I am pretty sure that Kramnik's concentration would have been severely affected and is in no position to play Game 5.

I do admire Kramnik's decision to continue playing Game 6 with the score of 3-2 but under protest and take a forfeit for Game 5 which was actually "won" by Danailov for Team Topalov.

Extracted from Kramnik's public statement which was officially released, "I deeply regret the unsportsmanlike and unequaled behaviour of my opponent whom FIDE donated a victory outside of the board by using dirty tricks." "dirty tricks" should have been better quoted with "underhanded tactics". Nonetheless, I do believe in his innocence.

GoGoGo Kramnik for the undisputed World Chess Champion title.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
October 02 2006 11:44 GMT
#197
Can any dutch or russian TL please member translate what both Kramnik and Topalov say ?

http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/nos/nieuws/2006/oktober/video/20061002/schaakrel.wmv
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
October 02 2006 18:57 GMT
#198
I thought games with bishop of the same color weren't draws?
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 03 2006 19:45 GMT
#199
Coincidence Statistics of the moves of GM Kramnik
with recommendations of the chess program Fritz 9

Elista, October 4, 2006

After very detailed analyze of all games of the match we would like to present to your attention coincidence statistics of the moves of GM Kramnik with recommendations of chess program Fritz 9.

First game:
From 75 moves: After the 12th move of Topalov Ba6, a novelty, from 65 remaining moves – 41 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (63% of matches)

Second game:
From 63 moves: After 17th move, where the theory ends, from remaining 46 moves – 40 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (87% of matches)

Third game
From 38 moves: after 10th move, when the theory ends, from 46 remaining moves – 40 match with the first line of Fritz 9. (86% of matches)

Forth game:
From 54 moves: After 14th move, when the theory ends, from 40 remaining moves – 30 match with the first line of Fritz 9. (75% of matches)

Sixth game:
From 31 moves: After 13th move, when the theory ends, from 18 remaining moves – 14 match with the first line of Fritz9. (78% of matches)

Thus, out of 5 games – 78% of GM Kramnik’s moves match with the first line of Fritz9.

Sincerely
Silvio Danailov


rofl, this is too good.
Agone
Profile Joined November 2005
American Samoa231 Posts
October 03 2006 19:55 GMT
#200
It would be interesting to know how many of topalov's moves match with those of Fritz 9
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