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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 16:25:20
June 11 2014 16:24 GMT
#1921
Locks can cast Incinerate, shadow bolt and malefic grasp on the move with kil'jaeden's cunning which is getting nerfed heavilu. Currently, fel flame is getting removed in wod.

Frost mages are losing instant cast brain freeze (they have more instants compared to arcane and fire anyway and can dps almost optimally on the move).

Elemental shamans i believe are losing lightning bolt on the move.

Also, shall i remove the mod note since both guilds seem very inactive?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 16:38:49
June 11 2014 16:35 GMT
#1922
Again, I'm not quite sure if that's actually the case. Warlocks were the kings of 5.4, but that has more to do with their overall utility + damage (inhale/exhale soul swapping being ridiculous with trinket scaling) rather than being a problem with ranged dps. Pvp is a different beast, but in pve, if you actually wanted to play optimally and be competitive on the charts as a non-hunter ranged dps, you pretty much had to use rather immobile spells and spec for immobility.

On June 12 2014 01:24 Teoita wrote:
Locks can cast Incinerate, shadow bolt and malefic grasp on the move with kil'jaeden's cunning which is getting nerfed heavilu. Currently, fel flame is getting removed in wod.

Frost mages are losing instant cast brain freeze (they have more instants compared to arcane and fire anyway and can dps almost optimally on the move).

Elemental shamans i believe are losing lightning bolt on the move.

Also, shall i remove the mod note since both guilds seem very inactive?


Playing optimally is the key word (which is the perspective that I'm coming from). Most high-end locks didn't take KJC, and rarely used fel flame. Brain freeze is a proc, so I thought was out of the realm of discussion, and frost mages certainly cannot dps optimally on the move. For most of the fights in Soo, as a frost mage, I spend at least 50% of the time as a frostbolt turret. That's not even close to being mobile. Fire is a much more mobile spec.

Ele shams, I can't comment on.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 16:49:36
June 11 2014 16:47 GMT
#1923
On movement heavy fights, locks do pick up KJC...as a frost mage sure you spend a lot of time turreting, but again with all our procs combined with ice floes it's really easy to keep good dps while running imo (more so then arcane).
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 18:22:36
June 11 2014 17:37 GMT
#1924
Hmm...I think the general point that I wanted to get across is that, for those non-hunter ranged dps who want to play optimally, WoD isn't going to change much compared to MoP in terms of play-style. Brain freeze being one more cast on top of all the frostbolts that we already have to cast isn't a big deal, and neither is KJC's nerf when most locks take double dark soul for almost all of the fights anyways.

On June 12 2014 01:24 Teoita wrote:
Also, shall i remove the mod note since both guilds seem very inactive?


I think many of us are just waiting for WoD at this point. The problem is that no one really wants to deal with recruitment, since I highly doubt we'll get enough active TL'ers to do Mythic raiding on either NA or EU, which requires 20 people + some extras to sub in for contingencies.
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
June 12 2014 13:12 GMT
#1925
Anyone wanna play arena? Coming kinda back into arenascene and would like to get 2k now as hunter.
Finnish player with arena xp from all expos. Played many classes/specs. ryndika 2882
as useful as teasalt
InFluenza
Profile Joined January 2014
Netherlands55 Posts
June 12 2014 13:25 GMT
#1926
On June 12 2014 22:12 Ryndika wrote:
Anyone wanna play arena? Coming kinda back into arenascene and would like to get 2k now as hunter.
Finnish player with arena xp from all expos. Played many classes/specs. ryndika 2882

Maybe just a tiiiny bit off topic? haha
Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 12 2014 13:30 GMT
#1927
Nice to see your inputs guys. I was just fearing removing lighting bold could hurt my mana regaining spell and also i only do solo dungeons so... it's nive to shoot on the move :p

So basicly they are doing some kind of revamp to vanilla version of spell ? Like their functionality and the way they are casted ? Also i didn't really get the scalling thing

I think i understand that levels will be more progressive like a 80 character will not have 300K HP difference with a 85lvel ?

Guilds are inactive yes, logged my priest and was the only one online on the TL Guild (well i logged only one time to be honest).

Didn't check stream for now but does Garrisons looks like Heroes of might and magic ? More Warcraft/Starcraft like ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 12 2014 13:40 GMT
#1928
On June 12 2014 22:30 FFW_Rude wrote:
Nice to see your inputs guys. I was just fearing removing lighting bold could hurt my mana regaining spell and also i only do solo dungeons so... it's nive to shoot on the move :p

So basicly they are doing some kind of revamp to vanilla version of spell ? Like their functionality and the way they are casted ? Also i didn't really get the scalling thing

I think i understand that levels will be more progressive like a 80 character will not have 300K HP difference with a 85lvel ?

Guilds are inactive yes, logged my priest and was the only one online on the TL Guild (well i logged only one time to be honest).

Didn't check stream for now but does Garrisons looks like Heroes of might and magic ? More Warcraft/Starcraft like ?


Don't think mana is an issue yet, was watching a feral druid (Sodapoppin) spam healing touch as feral and his mana regen was insane :s
He can in MoP cast about 6-7 Healing Touches before oom on Alpha he was at like 20
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Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
June 12 2014 14:05 GMT
#1929
On June 12 2014 22:25 InFluenza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 22:12 Ryndika wrote:
Anyone wanna play arena? Coming kinda back into arenascene and would like to get 2k now as hunter.
Finnish player with arena xp from all expos. Played many classes/specs. ryndika 2882

Maybe just a tiiiny bit off topic? haha

I don't see how.
as useful as teasalt
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 13 2014 08:31 GMT
#1930
On June 12 2014 22:40 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 22:30 FFW_Rude wrote:
Nice to see your inputs guys. I was just fearing removing lighting bold could hurt my mana regaining spell and also i only do solo dungeons so... it's nive to shoot on the move :p

So basicly they are doing some kind of revamp to vanilla version of spell ? Like their functionality and the way they are casted ? Also i didn't really get the scalling thing

I think i understand that levels will be more progressive like a 80 character will not have 300K HP difference with a 85lvel ?

Guilds are inactive yes, logged my priest and was the only one online on the TL Guild (well i logged only one time to be honest).

Didn't check stream for now but does Garrisons looks like Heroes of might and magic ? More Warcraft/Starcraft like ?


Don't think mana is an issue yet, was watching a feral druid (Sodapoppin) spam healing touch as feral and his mana regen was insane :s
He can in MoP cast about 6-7 Healing Touches before oom on Alpha he was at like 20


Oh Okay. And did i get it right about the scaling/squeeshing thingy ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 13 2014 08:35 GMT
#1931
HP is more like Cataclysm hp i think, it isn't squished enough imo. At level 90 on the Alpha in full greens your around 55k-60k hp.
You will probably add around 5k hp per level? Im not sure haven't really looked into that.
Damage in greens is like 4-5k crits
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 13 2014 09:24 GMT
#1932
Oh ok i see. Thanks
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
June 13 2014 09:39 GMT
#1933
Do level 1 characters deal fractions of dps then?

Like 0,04 crits?
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
June 13 2014 09:55 GMT
#1934
They basically just flattened the power curve. It goes a little further than just dividing all numbers by a 1000 or so.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
June 13 2014 10:08 GMT
#1935
On June 12 2014 02:37 Qaatar wrote:
Hmm...I think the general point that I wanted to get across is that, for those non-hunter ranged dps who want to play optimally, WoD isn't going to change much compared to MoP in terms of play-style. Brain freeze being one more cast on top of all the frostbolts that we already have to cast isn't a big deal, and neither is KJC's nerf when most locks take double dark soul for almost all of the fights anyways.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 01:24 Teoita wrote:
Also, shall i remove the mod note since both guilds seem very inactive?


I think many of us are just waiting for WoD at this point. The problem is that no one really wants to deal with recruitment, since I highly doubt we'll get enough active TL'ers to do Mythic raiding on either NA or EU, which requires 20 people + some extras to sub in for contingencies.

This. I'm planning to resub with the release of WoD and join the TL guild, but not much point in playing at the moment apart from getting characters WoD-ready.
Anlo
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden485 Posts
June 13 2014 19:22 GMT
#1936
On June 13 2014 19:08 Mikau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 02:37 Qaatar wrote:
Hmm...I think the general point that I wanted to get across is that, for those non-hunter ranged dps who want to play optimally, WoD isn't going to change much compared to MoP in terms of play-style. Brain freeze being one more cast on top of all the frostbolts that we already have to cast isn't a big deal, and neither is KJC's nerf when most locks take double dark soul for almost all of the fights anyways.

On June 12 2014 01:24 Teoita wrote:
Also, shall i remove the mod note since both guilds seem very inactive?


I think many of us are just waiting for WoD at this point. The problem is that no one really wants to deal with recruitment, since I highly doubt we'll get enough active TL'ers to do Mythic raiding on either NA or EU, which requires 20 people + some extras to sub in for contingencies.

This. I'm planning to resub with the release of WoD and join the TL guild, but not much point in playing at the moment apart from getting characters WoD-ready.


Oh but there is...

deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
June 13 2014 22:14 GMT
#1937
On June 14 2014 04:22 Anlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 19:08 Mikau wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:37 Qaatar wrote:
Hmm...I think the general point that I wanted to get across is that, for those non-hunter ranged dps who want to play optimally, WoD isn't going to change much compared to MoP in terms of play-style. Brain freeze being one more cast on top of all the frostbolts that we already have to cast isn't a big deal, and neither is KJC's nerf when most locks take double dark soul for almost all of the fights anyways.

On June 12 2014 01:24 Teoita wrote:
Also, shall i remove the mod note since both guilds seem very inactive?


I think many of us are just waiting for WoD at this point. The problem is that no one really wants to deal with recruitment, since I highly doubt we'll get enough active TL'ers to do Mythic raiding on either NA or EU, which requires 20 people + some extras to sub in for contingencies.

This. I'm planning to resub with the release of WoD and join the TL guild, but not much point in playing at the moment apart from getting characters WoD-ready.


Oh but there is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF2vhOeXzO8


See, I'm OK with lifegripping people into snails and off the edge, but trolling during boss battles in the age of boosted 90s is a great way to waste time.
Ljas
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland725 Posts
June 15 2014 08:54 GMT
#1938
On June 14 2014 07:14 deth2munkies wrote:
See, I'm OK with lifegripping people into snails

First time I LFR'd that raid, we almost wiped on the first snail. I have a soft spot for gimmick mobs, like the giants in Stonecore, for example.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
June 15 2014 10:03 GMT
#1939
Any alliance EU people wanna play old raids with me? I just want to experience them, so I don't need heroic. These are the ones I'm missing:
Trial of the Crusader
Icecrown Citadel
Baradin Hold
Blackwing Descent
Bastion of Twilight
Throne of the Four Winds
Firelands


I can play in about 4-5 hours.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
June 15 2014 18:53 GMT
#1940
Where was the NA part of the TL guild? A/H? What server? I'll start grinding up a 90 on that server once I know
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