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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
November 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#521
On November 25 2013 18:36 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 18:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
On November 24 2013 03:24 TheFish7 wrote:
Trying to decide which mmo to play, somehow WoW still winning after so many years even with its horrendous community

[image loading]


I'm sorry but what is ESO ?


http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/

Elders Scrolls Online


Oh it's out ? i didn't know. Thanks
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 25 2013 10:12 GMT
#522
Well i don't think it is out yet xD
It is still in Beta, but im sure that was the game he was on about xD
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3380 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 10:44:06
November 25 2013 10:37 GMT
#523
Haven't played WoW in a long time, but doesn't this expansion seem kind of lackluster?
No new Race nor Class. In Pandaria there were both, however I hate the fact that we've got a neutral race, seeing Pandas fight Pandas of a different alliance on the battlefield, seem so stupid.
IMO they should've made Pandas horde and give alliance like Centaurs or smth.

Also when do Locks get Finger of Death?!?!
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21672 Posts
November 25 2013 10:45 GMT
#524
On November 25 2013 19:37 ejozl wrote:
Haven't played WoW in a long time, but doesn't this expansion seem kind of lackluster?
No new Race nor Class. In Pandaria there were both, however I hate the fact that we've got a neutral race, seeing Pandas fight Pandas of a different alliance on the battlefield, seem so stupid.
IMO they should've made Pandas horde and give alliance like Centaurs or smth.

Why does an expansion need more races or classes?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 10:46:44
November 25 2013 10:45 GMT
#525
Yeah but this expansion whilst it is nothing "new" in terms of what characters you can play it is deeply filled with something for everyone.
Lore - it is vast and this story line will answer alot of questions
Gameplay - Alot of new improvements made to PvE and PvP
Free Level 90 - Well having that just speaks volumes to people who want to return to the game but have missed an expansion or 2.

So imo it is a great expansion on the looks. I will hold off on the rank of it until i have played BETA or after im 100

On November 25 2013 19:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 19:37 ejozl wrote:
Haven't played WoW in a long time, but doesn't this expansion seem kind of lackluster?
No new Race nor Class. In Pandaria there were both, however I hate the fact that we've got a neutral race, seeing Pandas fight Pandas of a different alliance on the battlefield, seem so stupid.
IMO they should've made Pandas horde and give alliance like Centaurs or smth.

Why does an expansion need more races or classes?


Yeah i mean i have 7 level 90s and 1 RaF Druid leveling to help a friend, that will be 8 level 90s by the end of the expansion plus i get a free level 90 when i get WoD! lol
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
November 25 2013 11:16 GMT
#526
On November 25 2013 19:45 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but this expansion whilst it is nothing "new" in terms of what characters you can play it is deeply filled with something for everyone.
Lore - it is vast and this story line will answer alot of questions
Gameplay - Alot of new improvements made to PvE and PvP
Free Level 90 - Well having that just speaks volumes to people who want to return to the game but have missed an expansion or 2.

So imo it is a great expansion on the looks. I will hold off on the rank of it until i have played BETA or after im 100

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 19:45 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 25 2013 19:37 ejozl wrote:
Haven't played WoW in a long time, but doesn't this expansion seem kind of lackluster?
No new Race nor Class. In Pandaria there were both, however I hate the fact that we've got a neutral race, seeing Pandas fight Pandas of a different alliance on the battlefield, seem so stupid.
IMO they should've made Pandas horde and give alliance like Centaurs or smth.

Why does an expansion need more races or classes?


Yeah i mean i have 7 level 90s and 1 RaF Druid leveling to help a friend, that will be 8 level 90s by the end of the expansion plus i get a free level 90 when i get WoD! lol


For me Free level 90 means only one thing ! ANOTHER CRAFTER !!! :p i will have to delete one of my many DKs that i use for craft this you don't need to level up to get 300+ since your are level 60
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 25 2013 11:27 GMT
#527
Lol yeah that is another cool thing xD
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
November 25 2013 12:09 GMT
#528
On November 11 2013 18:19 Pandemona wrote:
So as everyone keeps asking and no one is making.....

Lets Make A Player List!

For both EU and NA, just write down your battle tag if you want people to play with.

Remember this is for Warlords of Draenor specifically, not just Panda land, only post if you will be getting WoD

Three things i need; 1. Battletag 2. Faction 3. NA/EU

With Cross Realm now all you need to be is on a server and be either Horde or Alliance and you can group with anybody in the game


Example;
Pandemon - Panda#2710 - Europe - Horde



Europe List
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Team Liquid Username - BattleTag - Server - Faction

Pandemona - Panda#2710 - Europe - Horde - [Twisting Nether]
Akatama - Sphinx#2651 - Europe - Horde - [Draenor]
FFW_Rude - FFW#2606 - Europe - Alliance - [Rashgaroth[FR]]
Siggen - Siggen#2894 - Europe - Horde - [The Maelstrom]
Wintex - Wintex#2278 - Europe - Alliance Horde - [Twilight's Hammer / Defias Brotherhood]
Baituri - Baituri#2727 - Europe - Horde - [Draenor]


North America List
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Team Liquid Username - BattleTag - Server - Faction

farvacola - Tren#1762 - Alliance - NA (Akama)
softee - softee#1275 - Alliance - NA [Kil'Jaeden]
Stancel - Stancel#6869 Alliance - NA [Caelestrasz]
Digmouse - digmouse#1608 Alliance - NA [Aerie Peak]
Bluelightz - Matth34#1980 Alliance - NA [Nagrand]
psyq - Mitchoi#6843 Horde - NA - (Area 52)
nikj -lovemuffinz#1108 Horde - NA (Ner'Zhul)
Bashnek - Bash#6746 Horde - NA [Blackrock]
Qaatar - Qaatar#1840 Horde - NA [Illidan]


Battletag: volatile#2344
Ingame name: Hugevale
Realm: Outland >.<
EU
Horde
Have a nice day ;)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 25 2013 12:51 GMT
#529
Added.
Bro hats off to you playing on Outland as Horde, i played there as Alliance and lots of streamers do as well. Must be some mad world PvP going on there ^_^
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
November 25 2013 13:04 GMT
#530
On November 25 2013 21:51 Pandemona wrote:
Added.
Bro hats off to you playing on Outland as Horde, i played there as Alliance and lots of streamers do as well. Must be some mad world PvP going on there ^_^


Yes.
Such world pvp
many die
very dangerous
wow


(Lol >.< but I play Holy Pala, epic healzzz)
Have a nice day ;)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 25 2013 13:41 GMT
#531
Yes madness i bet! Especially with cross realm added into everything it has become madness on PvP servers again. I was in hellfire getting boosted and was about 20 alliance around and around 30 horde at 21:00 GMT on a weekday lol was quite amazed xD
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
November 25 2013 14:11 GMT
#532
On November 25 2013 15:13 Qaatar wrote:
Yes, arbitrary gear checks, certain logistical problems, and to a minor extent more advanced mods, easier and faster gearing, and PTR testing (very insignificant, but still saves a few hours for top guilds, as I've posted previously) are all factors as to why raids *seem* easier post-TBC to some people.

However, the biggest difference from my observations throughout these years is that the general skill level and comfort that people have with the game have increased significantly. People have just gotten much better at the game overall, and it's as simple as that. In my hardcore days back in TBC (I was in a world top 100 guild during Tier 4 and Tier 5 content, then in a decently well-progressing guild for T6 and Sunwell), I was the best rogue and one of the best tanks in my guilds, and compared to now, where I'm just a casual player who occasionally steps foot in some flex and normal raids, I was terrible. The people I played with also weren't that good, even compared to some randoms in flex that I play with nowadays. At least to me, the difference is so massive that it cannot be overstated. Even just watching some twitch streams and youtube videos, I can also tell the difference. This is even more apparent in PvP, but that's another story.

If this was the point you were trying to make all along, then I apologize for calling you out a bit earlier. I literally couldn't agree with this more (especially the bolded part). I'm in the exact same position. More than anything, people have just gotten better. Even those who have consistently been the best of the best.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 25 2013 14:16 GMT
#533
Do you think technology has helped as well?
Go back to doing 40man raids in Vanilla, with early 2000 computers on maybe dial up still connections or even just broadband low speed is going to have effect on many thing. Ping for a start, then the low FPS. Add into the fact needing voice comms of 40 other people its going to be pretty hectic!
Now a days everyone has a 1mb connection at least, most people are playing with 30FPS + which is fine and don't struggle with lag.
The casuals have rigs that are set up for high end gaming let alone just WoW xD

So along with the players getting better, the players are also getting the perfect experience on top of it? Add into the fact that people can support the super easy UIs and the Addons that have been created to help show things on the screen clearer it all adds up to more people being able to hit the high end raid scale. As well as the high end players also getting these changes to make them EVEN better.

Do you think that has helped too?
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Moonsalt
Profile Joined May 2011
267 Posts
November 25 2013 14:20 GMT
#534
Will there be flying mounts there on Draenor? Because I'm really looking forward to 'world pvp that they got rid off in cataclysm' :\
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 25 2013 14:23 GMT
#535
Flying mounts are going to be available in Draenor...BUT Blizzard are thinking to hold them back until Patch 6.1 which will probably be 6months after the release of the Expansion
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21672 Posts
November 25 2013 14:44 GMT
#536
On November 25 2013 23:16 Pandemona wrote:
Do you think technology has helped as well?
Go back to doing 40man raids in Vanilla, with early 2000 computers on maybe dial up still connections or even just broadband low speed is going to have effect on many thing. Ping for a start, then the low FPS. Add into the fact needing voice comms of 40 other people its going to be pretty hectic!
Now a days everyone has a 1mb connection at least, most people are playing with 30FPS + which is fine and don't struggle with lag.
The casuals have rigs that are set up for high end gaming let alone just WoW xD

So along with the players getting better, the players are also getting the perfect experience on top of it? Add into the fact that people can support the super easy UIs and the Addons that have been created to help show things on the screen clearer it all adds up to more people being able to hit the high end raid scale. As well as the high end players also getting these changes to make them EVEN better.

Do you think that has helped too?

No. i lagged less in Molten Core on my old pc even at that time then i do currently on a decently high end machine in SoO.
You could say UI/Addons but im not entirely sure that is it either. Back in ye old days we had boss mods aswell for timers and lets not talk about such things as decursive which did the work for you far more then any present mod can.

The biggest thing I think is simply experience and understanding. There is so much more theorycraft being put into the game now then there was back then, combine that with years of experience and the overall player level is indeed much much higher.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
November 25 2013 14:49 GMT
#537
True.
Yeah my healers and mage still have Decursive on the screen tbh it is way easier than any other mod xD
But i play very simply! Maybe we should start getting a few UI screenshots together see what we all use
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FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
November 25 2013 15:08 GMT
#538
Am I really going to have to start playing this game again... really? uhhhggg maybe I'll resub when I get the money to buy MoP
To unpathed waters, undreamed shores. - Shakespeare
Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 15:18:00
November 25 2013 15:16 GMT
#539
A big part is also the UI/addons and mechanics.
Back in vanilla there was a cap of 16 debuffs.
No threat meter for the first few months, dps meter was there sooner i believe.
No nifty marks, so fights like garr and his adds took more time to setup than to kill.
Threat was a big issue.
Warlock curses giving mobs negative elemental resistance, which often resulted in high crits and agro, leading to the deaths of many casters and sometimes leading to a wipe.
The good old 5 sunder armor rule.

edit: Mana was a big issue, you need healing rotations etc.
Also, hots didnt stack, the strongest hot would override weaker ones.
eLyx
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany54 Posts
November 25 2013 15:19 GMT
#540
For me it has got definitely something to do with UI mods. When I think back to the way i played in vanilla, where i was one of the top dps in the guild i played in, simply because I read eilitistjerks and knew that for a rogue the ancient core hound gloves from MC were insanely strong because of the +weapon skill even in naxxramas, compared to now where it is just standard at least to me (someone who plays casually and just started raiding normal 10 men with a group of friends and friends of friends), to track your procs and ICDs and line them up with cooldowns, pre pot, pot etc.

It has just become normal and part of raiding to inform yourself on how to gear, spec, have a decent UI etc. and I think that as a whole the level of players is higher than in in the past.

On a different note, I for one really enjoy the raidcontent of SoO. So far we were able to kill 10 bosses in our first reset with two randoms and downed 11 bosses on wednesday now that we have 10 players (we raid 2 days for 3 hours). Tonight we will try our hand on the last 3, with a little luck we may even be able to clear . Normal modes definitely are not the most challenging fights, but thats what heroics are for and I think they struck a good balance from what I was able to see so far.
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