EPTDon't know why that is actually an issue that needs to be discussed.
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m4ini
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Don't know why that is actually an issue that needs to be discussed. | ||
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las91
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m4ini
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las91
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On October 27 2014 13:03 m4ini wrote: Then i misunderstood, my apologies. Yea it's fine, i'm responding to the comments about pugs not getting a garrosh carry or w/e | ||
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m4ini
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Rather, i just don't know what to do otherwise. | ||
micronesia
United States24686 Posts
On October 27 2014 12:48 las91 wrote: Easiest way to make pugs easy is to just be good enough to carry them. I feel like this advice is kind of bullshit. One reasonably well geared dps is not going to be able to 'carry' a bleh pug. And my experience is that pugs are typically bleh. You do get lucky occasionally. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 27 2014 05:06 Bumblebee wrote: No was just an unfortunate timing I think, a little funny nonetheless I think they leap when they target you but they leap to where ever you are when they target you just run around and they cant hit you should be able to kill them both when they are stunned. you can actually spell steal that jump as a mage and stun yourself. or you could in firelands idk if spell steal is still a spell lol | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On October 27 2014 13:26 micronesia wrote: I feel like this advice is kind of bullshit. One reasonably well geared dps is not going to be able to 'carry' a bleh pug. And my experience is that pugs are typically bleh. You do get lucky occasionally. I've had very few issues with pugs. Anecdotally we can argue this all night, I'm going to just say normal/heroic SoO at this point in the gearing cycle should not pose any issues to a group of even marginally competent raiders let alone a group with a couple of ringers. Use open raid and find a group of people that you've had successful runs with before, try and get into guild runs, the same rules of pugs have always applied since the game's inception. If it's a true pug that started with some guy starting a group and they're having issues that you think you can solve you posting on TL about how pugs always suck isn't solving the problem of the pug at the time, some people need more time/don't know specifics beforehand because they don't care but you can use your own knowledge to inform them in a way that won't put them in a defensive mindset. If it's tank issues, explain the taunting, if it's healing issues, explain predictable points of high damage/give a cd order or something. I bet I could carry a normal mode or heroic mode on my main. | ||
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micronesia
United States24686 Posts
I agree... both of those make a huge difference. However, I was interested in responding to this topic because of the statement: "How can people possibly be having issues with Siege?" Put yourself in the shoes of some dps who doesn't know tanking and therefore can't coach tanks to do their job better, doesn't know healing and can't advise healers, and also doesn't know soo mechanics that tanks/healers need to worry about. Also, not everyone is as good as you probably are at getting into a good group. While the tools may exist for everyone to get mythic kills if they are geared enough and skilled enough at their role, I still think it's misguided to say "How can people possibly be having issues with Siege?" Put yourself in the shoes of others. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 27 2014 13:31 las91 wrote: I've had very few issues with pugs. Anecdotally we can argue this all night, I'm going to just say normal/heroic SoO at this point in the gearing cycle should not pose any issues to a group of even marginally competent raiders let alone a group with a couple of ringers. Use open raid and find a group of people that you've had successful runs with before, try and get into guild runs, the same rules of pugs have always applied since the game's inception. If it's a true pug that started with some guy starting a group and they're having issues that you think you can solve you posting on TL about how pugs always suck isn't solving the problem of the pug at the time, some people need more time/don't know specifics beforehand because they don't care but you can use your own knowledge to inform them in a way that won't put them in a defensive mindset. If it's tank issues, explain the taunting, if it's healing issues, explain predictable points of high damage/give a cd order or something. I bet I could carry a normal mode or heroic mode on my main. had a friend of mine in complete mythic(obv knows what he's doing) come in to help us in a raid the other day and he couldnt carry the entire group you arent always going to find people capable of doing it. pugging some of the easiest fights in cata turned into complete nightmares at times. people standing in traps on shannox or something stupid simple like that is too hard for a lot of people. personally ive had nothing but horrible luck with finding groups, even geared people who havent mastered the art of not standing in anything(aka the golden rule of wow) | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On October 27 2014 13:39 micronesia wrote: I think the two factors that affect your success with pugging, based on your post, are knowledge of all aspects of the raid, and skill/experience getting into good groups. I agree... both of those make a huge difference. However, I was interested in responding to this topic because of the statement: "How can people possibly be having issues with Siege?" Put yourself in the shoes of some dps who doesn't know tanking and therefore can't coach tanks to do their job better, doesn't know healing and can't advise healers, and also doesn't know soo mechanics that tanks/healers need to worry about. Also, not everyone is as good as you probably are at getting into a good group. While the tools may exist for everyone to get mythic kills if they are geared enough and skilled enough at their role, I still think it's misguided to say "How can people possibly be having issues with Siege?" Put yourself in the shoes of others. There are plenty of tools at everyone's disposal to advise yourself on the other roles, your own role, and every single aspect of the game. It takes maybe 5 minutes to look up a couple important pieces of info on the fight, it's even built into the in-game journal of wow at this point. You can say it's misguided as much as you want, the tools are there, and your knowledge of the tools are there (I'm assuming) so anyone on this forum can easily get in touch with people who know about those tools. Am I speaking to the general WoW populace? No, I'm speaking to the specific people on this forum who for whatever reason feel it within their capacity to complain about their pug groups but not try to actually figure out why those groups are not working out for them. If I had no idea what to do on a fight the first thing I would do is check the dungeon journal in-game, or if I had time to check a video or some strategy guide on it that gives me a quick tl;dr of the fight. If anyone has issues with pugging or anything else involving SoO on this forum feel free to contact me, I thought I had left my btag on my sig but I'll put it back on for now. I'm more than willing to come in and help groups as well if that's what is required. On October 27 2014 13:50 arb wrote: had a friend of mine in complete mythic(obv knows what he's doing) come in to help us in a raid the other day and he couldnt carry the entire group you arent always going to find people capable of doing it. pugging some of the easiest fights in cata turned into complete nightmares at times. people standing in traps on shannox or something stupid simple like that is too hard for a lot of people. personally ive had nothing but horrible luck with finding groups, even geared people who havent mastered the art of not standing in anything(aka the golden rule of wow) Being full mythic doesn't mean you're actually any better at the game than anyone else just fyi. Gear is not the measuring stick for this game. I'm not talking about Cata either, I'm talking about specifically Siege of Orgrimmar in it's current (6.0.2) state. | ||
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las91
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micronesia
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Still, you paint a pretty rosy picture lol | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On October 27 2014 13:58 micronesia wrote: Ias91 I thought you meant the wow population in general when you said "people," but apparently you meant the relatively competent TL userbase, which is a different story. Still, you paint a pretty rosy picture lol It's the checklist to run through, I find it has given me much more success than other people seem to have with pugs. Either run the pugs yourself or be able to carry them, you'll be a lot more successful  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 27 2014 17:47 Pandemona wrote: Mini you can get hc garrosh pugs for heirloom only on Horde EU for 5k. Sometimes 8k and if your really unlucky you might have to pay 10k. Hey Panda. Could you hail me next time you go in soO ? I never been there. I would be a great addition to your raid. I'm an "idle mage". :p No seriously if you are misssing someone i'll be happy to see what's in there (but i don't know if there is a ilvel requirement i'm currently at something like 525). @arb i got into Wastland2 and didn't try Deathwing again but i have your strat in mind  . | ||
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akatama
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m4ini
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And as i said, it boils down to "do you wanna "raidlead" a bunch of randoms for the chance, or just pay some gold to get it 100% and be done with it". To me, buying the weapon is simply easier because i don't want to put in the effort anymore 3 weeks or smth before the new expansion hits. Especially considering that i basically need all the weapons, broadly. At least casterstaff, agistaff and 2h. edit: essentially, i don't wanna "play" my toons, i just wanna get them ready for WoD. Because there's not much else to do in WoW atm. edit2: wasteland 2 is cool btw - if you're into these kinds of games, give Dead State a shot too.  edit3: they sell "normal" kills for 10k on Frostwolf, pff. :[ - and 140k for mythic, wat Oo Okay, fed up: simple question, anyone here able to sell a garrosh hc only kill EU horde? | ||
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