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I really don't think its that bad.. to quote some more from that source (which is almost a year old..)
Armor pieces may have three other properties at random. First, items may be higher Item Level than normal. For sake of this discussion, we’ll call these items Warforged for now.
Second, items may have gem sockets. Unlike gem sockets today, gem sockets in Warlords of Draenor will be rarer but more powerful. There will be no socket bonuses, but we are strongly considering requiring the right color gem for the socket. All gems will grant secondary stats, including Spirit and Bonus Armor (see below).
Finally, items may have tertiary stats. These include things like a bonus to Movement Speed, Sturdiness, Life Steal, Avoidance (less AoE damage), and Cleave. Because of the rarity of tertiary stats, stacking them to produce (for example) a Movement Speed set will take enormous effort.
The design intent of these additional qualities on items is to make itemization more exciting and to give it more longevity. Rather than waiting weeks to get a breastplate, you might get one pretty quickly—but to get a true “best-in-slot” item will take much more effort and a bit of luck. Here are a few more points to consider for these properties:
We haven’t decided on exact numbers yet, but for the current discussion, assume something like a 10% chance for an item to have an additional property. It’s possible for one item to have all three of these properties, but the chance of that is very small.
The properties are determined at the time an item is looted (and possibly even includes crafted gear). For example, if an ogre boss drops two copies of the Bracers of Crithto, one might be a normal version, while another might have a tertiary stat.
Being Warforged, having a socket, or having a tertiary stat do not count against the stat budget of the item—they are strictly bonuses. The item will not have reduced primary or secondary stats in order to have these additional properties.
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I really don't see how this new system is "more exciting and gives more longevity". To me it looks like a retarded brother of D3 loot system.
Curently on live you know exactly what your prospective loot looks like, and it has a chance to be warforged. So you have rng to get an item and rng for it to have slightly higher stat numbers, but everything stays the same.
This new system gives you the same rng to get an item, then on top of it you have rng to get warfoged, rng to get gem socket, rng for the socket colour, rng for tertiary stats which look totally irrelevant for the most part. How is that in anyway exciting or fun? You'll need to be lucky a few times at once to get a good item it's not even funny.
I also don't know why reforging is gone. Sure, for the most part everyone just changed weaker secondary stat to a better one, but at least even suboptimal loot was usable until you got the piece you needed. It gave some fighting chance against rng. Now it's pure chance with no way of influencing it at all.
Funny thing, I watched the us arena blizzcon qualifiers yesterday and they had Holinka talk about the new expansion a little bit, and he genuinely thinks that dumbing this game down as much as possible is the good way to go forward.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
RL friends are trying to pull me back to WoW, mainly for PvP purposes. My Shaman is currently level 86. Is there any benefit to starting a month prior to WoD to hit 90 or should I just wait?
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On October 06 2014 17:26 Firebolt145 wrote:
RL friends are trying to pull me back to WoW, mainly for PvP purposes. My Shaman is currently level 86. Is there any benefit to starting a month prior to WoD to hit 90 or should I just wait?
If you want the legendary cloak you need to get to 90 and pick up the quest before 6.0 hits, since you won't be able to start it in the new patch. There is also a cool title for warlocks, mount from SoO, challenge mode rewards among the popular things to do before the patch. So if you aren't interested in any of that you can just subscribe with enough time to hit 90 before expansion.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
You get a free 90 with WoD expansion so that is useful. However with the removal of valor, everything is basically going to be in terms of gold currency to purchase PvE items, upgrades etcetc. Best bet would be to level up now and to get yourself a bit of gold, or maybe just the week before WoD you could do that.
They did say gold is going to be "easy" to come by in WoD due to the removal of Valor though so it is a catch 22 situation.
Another good point to starting before WoD is the patch 6.0 (all of WoD content and changed added) is out soon™ so you can get used to how your shaman will look and play then before the game. Just in case the free 90 to another class will tempt you to play that instead.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
What does the legendary cloak get me? And are the mounts from SoO no longer attainable post WoD?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The heroic Garrosh mount becomes a % chance drop after WoD hits im sure.
The Kor’kron Juggernaut mount will cease being a guaranteed drop from Mythic Garrosh Hellscream, and will instead become a rare drop (like Invincible’s Reins, Mimiron’s Head, etc.).
Also if you could get yourself a Garrosh normal kill or flex kill you can get yourself an heirloom for you shaman/another 90 to help you in WoD.
I finally after many kills got my hc heirloom staff couple of weeks back, but in patch 6.0 (couple of weeks time) it becomes 100% guaranteed drop for those without an heirloom so that could be worth trying to achieve.
Legendary cloak is rumored to still be useful for the first tier of WoD raiding but whether that is going to be true is not concrete yet. Also you don't have the time to get that now, even if you're lucky as hell with the drops.
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Italy12246 Posts
Legendary cloak is rumored to still be useful for the first tier of WoD raiding but whether that is going to be true is not concrete yet. Also you don't have the time to get that now, even if you're lucky as hell with the drops.
You've done mythic testing right? How does the cloak compare with the loot there? Did they change the procs at all?
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
So basically...not really worth it. Okay, will wait!
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On October 06 2014 17:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
What does the legendary cloak get me?
It's the best cloak in game that gives you great stats and cool visual effect. You worked for it throught the whole expansion in a legendary quest line that had some nice rewards along the way. Basically you need to get special drops from all raid tiers (can be done in LFR), grind some rep, kill an elite guy, get 3000 valor and win 2 battlegrounds if I remember correctly. When 6.0 comes they remove the valor part of the chain, making it 3 weeks shorter to do (there is 1000 valor per week cap). And as Pandemona says it has the potential to be useful in WoD raids as well.
I also returned only recently to the game, having skipped most part of MoP, and I'm doing the cloak chain on 3 characters, mostly just for the sake of it :D
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 06 2014 17:53 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +Legendary cloak is rumored to still be useful for the first tier of WoD raiding but whether that is going to be true is not concrete yet. Also you don't have the time to get that now, even if you're lucky as hell with the drops. You've done mythic testing right? How does the cloak compare with the loot there? Did they change the procs at all?
We raided on level 100 realms so we didn't use any of our gear aka char copy process. I cannot comment. You had to character copy yourself over and then level to 100 with it. Which is a no ty for me lol.
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On October 06 2014 17:53 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +Legendary cloak is rumored to still be useful for the first tier of WoD raiding but whether that is going to be true is not concrete yet. Also you don't have the time to get that now, even if you're lucky as hell with the drops. You've done mythic testing right? How does the cloak compare with the loot there? Did they change the procs at all?
The legendary cloak will last until Heroic Dungeons.
As you level above 90 the proc chance of the effect will diminish. Past 98 i believe it will hardly proc at all. at 100 I don't believe it works at all anymore.
The cloak is no big deal at all.
Additionally you only have until WoD release (13th November) to get the cloak, when 6.0 (the pre-patch) arrives you can no longer pick up the quest and when WoD itself arrives the quest will be removed in its entirety, regardless of if you have it or not.
Source
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 06 2014 19:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 17:53 Teoita wrote:Legendary cloak is rumored to still be useful for the first tier of WoD raiding but whether that is going to be true is not concrete yet. Also you don't have the time to get that now, even if you're lucky as hell with the drops. You've done mythic testing right? How does the cloak compare with the loot there? Did they change the procs at all? The legendary cloak will last until Heroic Dungeons. As you level above 90 the proc chance of the effect will diminish. Past 98 i believe it will hardly proc at all. at 100 I don't believe it works at all anymore. The cloak is no big deal at all. Additionally you only have until WoD release (13th November) to get the cloak, when 6.0 (the pre-patch) arrives you can no longer pick up the quest and when WoD itself arrives the quest will be removed in its entirety, regardless of if you have it or not. Source
Gors, you seem in the know and i am yet to find information myself apart from a random website spouting the following claim;
Is HC dungeon (aka blue gear) going to be better than LFR gear? So spamming your garrison dailies for epics and getting full hc gear dungeon will be best to step into hc and mythic raiding?
I swear somewhere maybe even back at blizzcon i heard/read that they were going to make it so you go into raids with HC dungeon gear. Reason for the you need a silver level in proving grounds before solo queueing dungeons etc. LFR you just go into it blindly when released again?
Or have i miss heard/read something
I know there isn't any tier gearing dropping in LFR, just items but i haven't seemed to got/read confirmation of item levels, do you know anything?
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HC dungeon gear is 630, Highmaul LFR 640 and Blackrock LFR 650. Heroic(live normal) raids are balanced around HC dungeon gear and LFR wont open until few weeks after normal anyway. Just like in MoP LFR might have few items which are upgrade for you if screwed by rng but after first tier you don't need step in lfr anymore.
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On October 06 2014 19:42 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2014 19:34 Gorsameth wrote:On October 06 2014 17:53 Teoita wrote:Legendary cloak is rumored to still be useful for the first tier of WoD raiding but whether that is going to be true is not concrete yet. Also you don't have the time to get that now, even if you're lucky as hell with the drops. You've done mythic testing right? How does the cloak compare with the loot there? Did they change the procs at all? The legendary cloak will last until Heroic Dungeons. As you level above 90 the proc chance of the effect will diminish. Past 98 i believe it will hardly proc at all. at 100 I don't believe it works at all anymore. The cloak is no big deal at all. Additionally you only have until WoD release (13th November) to get the cloak, when 6.0 (the pre-patch) arrives you can no longer pick up the quest and when WoD itself arrives the quest will be removed in its entirety, regardless of if you have it or not. Source Gors, you seem in the know and i am yet to find information myself apart from a random website spouting the following claim; Is HC dungeon (aka blue gear) going to be better than LFR gear? So spamming your garrison dailies for epics and getting full hc gear dungeon will be best to step into hc and mythic raiding? I swear somewhere maybe even back at blizzcon i heard/read that they were going to make it so you go into raids with HC dungeon gear. Reason for the you need a silver level in proving grounds before solo queueing dungeons etc. LFR you just go into it blindly when released again? Or have i miss heard/read something I know there isn't any tier gearing dropping in LFR, just items but i haven't seemed to got/read confirmation of item levels, do you know anything?
I spend to much time in the beta threads on MMO-Champion ^^
Gear Progression
LFR gear is better then Heroic Dungeon gear however don't forget that Normal/Heroic Raids open up before LFR does.
You should be fine doing Normal/Heroic raids in Heroic Dungeon gear tho.
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On October 06 2014 20:11 Pandemona wrote:Oh no i re rolling from mage. Its fucking dog shit for me now. It's same old shite. Frost until you get good gear then you can transition out of it. I don't want to play frost it not fun for me, i know others like it but i don't. Awesome link though xD I will be Resto Shaman / Ele Shaman along with Fury Warrior / Prot Warrior for my mains. Only things i have liked playing on beta so far. I did like BM hunter but lol hunters  Also thanks for the replies, i must of miss these posts etc on this. MMO gear table link is intriguing, seems like you have to go war mill and barracks in your Garrisons to compete for good gear. Seems fair enough.
I would say the war mill is overrated tho. It costs a lot of Garrison Resources which are pretty scarce while your building up, The Salvage Yard is much better.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Oh right i was just reading that post and it said that due to upgrading your followers. But yeah Barracks and Salvage Yard are a must, think im going for Lumber Mill on top of that if that is possible for more apexxis crystal farm :3
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