• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:00
CEST 01:00
KST 08:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event11Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced9
StarCraft 2
General
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Do we have a pimpest plays list? AI Question ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1512 users

[wow] Warlords of Draenor - Page 122

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 120 121 122 123 124 591 Next
Add yourself to the player list
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 15:28:08
August 12 2014 15:25 GMT
#2421
On August 13 2014 00:17 Serejai wrote:
In short, it doesn't really matter if WoW makes more profit than Rift and you can't use that as a basis for your argument that people prefer WoW. Most people have never driven a Bugatti Veyron but I'm fairly certain they would like it better than their Ford Focus if they did, even though the Focus has more owners and makes more revenue (which by your standards would mean it's the better car).

Problem with that comparison is, WoW players have actually tried driving that "Bugatti" and many other cars. They were even told they can drive that Bugatti for free. And yet they tend to go back to their Focus and even pay for it. So really claiming that people just dont know better is wrong.
And if you cant see the difference between WoW and Rift gameplay I cant change that. I think it is pretty substantial. And even if people cant recognize it, it seems they at least feel it. Which is why they keep coming back.
Off-season = best season
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
August 12 2014 15:59 GMT
#2422
But people don't keep "coming back" to WoW; hence the loss of nearly a million subs every few months for the last four years. WoW is nothing more than a bubble in the MMO genre and most people that quit probably go back to playing Candy Crush on their phones instead of looking for a new MMO. So yes, it's perfectly valid to say most people don't know better because most people don't even bother trying anything else. Sales figures of various other MMOs confirm that most people don't even give them a try before deciding they like WoW better.

That's not even touching on the bigger issue of stagnation in the genre. Why do most MMOs flop? Because they don't innovate anything at all. There has only been one single MMO since WoW came out that has attempted to innovate and come up with something new, and that was Guild Wars 2. Guild Wars 2 is successful for that very reason, whereas most other MMOs to release have been cash grabs; attempts to mimic WoW with one or two gimmicks thrown in, make a quick buck, and move on. The next MMO to innovate will be EverQuest Next and that will more than likely see success as well.

So no... I don't think any of these players have been able to drive the Bugatti yet; they're just driving other Ford Focuses with different paint jobs... maybe a sports package, an aftermarket exhaust pipe... but still the same thing as what they currently have.

WoW is an average-at-best MMO surrounded by a bunch of really mediocre ones, like a 5/10 girl surrounded by a bunch of 1/10s to make her look better by comparison. The original discussion about how Blizzard does the bare minimum to get by still stands because I firmly believe WoW has a lot more potential but there's currently no reason at all for Blizzard to put in more effort when a) they have no real competition, and b) they have a playerbase that largely accepts "good enough".
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 12 2014 16:54 GMT
#2423
Well I dont mind anyone disliking WoW. I mostly had a problem with your positive words for Rift which I think is terribad. :D
But in the end to each his own, I really dont care what anyone plays.
Off-season = best season
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
August 12 2014 23:46 GMT
#2424
I quit WoW for good 4 years ago and haven't managed to find another MMORPG worth committing to, tried a bunch of games but nothing lasted for more than a month for me, meanwhile in WoW I put several years of hardcore PvE+PvP time to but I got no urge to play it anymore what so ever, game is past it's time.

Only game I even reached level cap in after WoW was GW2, I did also somewhat enjoy Realm Reborn being a FF fan but not enough to subscribe. Tera might have had slightly different combat than other MMORPG's but other than that it was just the typical Korean MMORPG, Wildstar I got bored at quite swiftly. I'm probably going to give SW:TOR another chance casually on the weekends and level with my sister, feels like it might serve that kind of purpose.

I seriously want a excellent MMORPG.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
August 13 2014 16:41 GMT
#2425
Yay, got the shoulders now! I want the druid to be my main character now, it's a very interesting class.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 12:45:09
August 14 2014 12:44 GMT
#2426
Warlods of Draenor event held today in LA starts in , so at 18.30 CEST, 9:30 AM PDT / 12:30 PM EDT. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/15053029/

Also Blizzards Gamescom stream will be live from Friday to Sunday.

Friday, August 15 from 18:00 to 19:00 CEST (9:00 to 10:00 PDT)
Saturday, August 16 from 18:00 to 19:00 CEST (9:00 to 10:00 PDT)
Sunday, August 17 from 16:00 to 17:00 CEST (7:00 to 8:00 PDT)

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/events/gamescom-2014.html
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 14 2014 15:17 GMT
#2427
Just resubbed after like 2-3 years quit. No other MMO I've played has felt this good, imo.

I'm enjoying just doing the leveling process and trying classes that I never played too much back in the day. Getting that Boomkin rolling!
It's your boy Guzma!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
August 14 2014 16:18 GMT
#2428
Bump. ~10minutes for the WoD event.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
August 14 2014 16:20 GMT
#2429
I've been playing very casually for the past 2 months, and been killing Kael'thas and other bosses every week for mount drops, yesterday I finally got ashes of al'ar and today I got the onyxia mount :D, which makes me think i've run out of luck for the rest of this year
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 14 2014 16:20 GMT
#2430
Having played pretty much every dps class in pve, and a fair few to 2400 in 3s I really, really don't like the direction wod is taking things. I love that cc is being removed, as frankly arena has never felt so mongoloidish to me ( s2-8, and s11-now), but I really, really hate that they're removing complexity and inevitably styles of play from a damage point of view. If you look at (imo) the best designed pve ranged dps spec, demo, the options of play from both rotation to stat choices occur when a rotation becomes complex enough that the best possible option becomes many best options. Conversely, a fury warriors stat priority is pretty simple, and the rotation is linear.

The removal of stat snapshotting, tons of dps abilities (not so much cds, not hugely fond of dps cds) and reforging really, really worries me. In my opinion the game becomes more fun when perfection of something isn't so easily obtained, and while I'm no multi r1 glad or top 10 ranking player (though I am top 20 on some fights) I feel like the skill required to achieve what I've achieved is far, far lower now then it should be.

Simplifying dps rotations so even more specs are 2 button rotations a la frost dks is a horrible mistake.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
August 14 2014 16:51 GMT
#2431
Just tuned in, has the cinematic already been shown?
monchi | IdrA | Flash
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 14 2014 16:51 GMT
#2432
No, just talking about the expansion first
It's your boy Guzma!
Fatta
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany148 Posts
August 14 2014 17:08 GMT
#2433
Did they really just show this short film with Kargath cutting off his left hand, while the WoD poster (and I think everywhere else also) shows him with his right hand cut off?
Mia san Mia!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
August 14 2014 17:14 GMT
#2434
Holy. shit.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Innuendo
Profile Joined June 2007
Belgium616 Posts
August 14 2014 17:17 GMT
#2435
11/13/14 as a European looks very weird
Bisu fan, may the revolutionist return
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 14 2014 17:17 GMT
#2436
Did they just fricking kill Mannoroth?
It's your boy Guzma!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22345 Posts
August 14 2014 17:20 GMT
#2437
On August 15 2014 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Did they just fricking kill Mannoroth?

2nd time Grom has done it :p

That release date tho. Anniversary raid is 2 weeks after release. Cant believe they plan it that close together.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 17:25:06
August 14 2014 17:20 GMT
#2438
On August 15 2014 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Did they just fricking kill Mannoroth?


Alternate reality where Garrosh told Grommash what was going to happen if he had drank the blood of Mannoroth. So thus, Grommash once again killed Mannoroth, but this time a lot earlier. Also as the cinematic portrays, Grommash was going to die once again at the obliteration of Mannoroth, if it was not for Grommash saving his life.
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
August 14 2014 17:20 GMT
#2439
On August 15 2014 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Did they just fricking kill Mannoroth?

Yea, looks like an alternate timeline or something.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22345 Posts
August 14 2014 17:22 GMT
#2440
On August 15 2014 02:20 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 02:17 Requizen wrote:
Did they just fricking kill Mannoroth?

Yea, looks like an alternate timeline or something.

grats thats the whole plot for WoD if you didnt realise. Garrosh gos back in time to reform the Horde without demon possession and uses it to assault present day azeroth.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Prev 1 120 121 122 123 124 591 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JuggernautJason133
PiGStarcraft33
CosmosSc2 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12396
Artosis 522
NaDa 14
Dota 2
monkeys_forever528
League of Legends
Doublelift4630
Counter-Strike
fl0m2138
minikerr14
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King79
PPMD54
Other Games
summit1g7410
tarik_tv5980
Liquid`RaSZi1632
FrodaN852
shahzam441
C9.Mang0269
NightEnD26
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV447
gamesdonequick284
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream33
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 33
• Response 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 36
• RayReign 23
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2105
Other Games
• Scarra937
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
1h
PiGStarcraft33
GSL
10h 30m
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
1d 10h
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
1d 12h
OSC
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
BSL
4 days
GSL
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.