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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
I was afraid no one played anymore glad to hear that if I decide to look hard enough there is still a community | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On February 17 2014 02:12 5c0rp10n wrote: Oh man, good ol' times of 2005. Coming home half drunk at 12 pm, because of drinking 3 beers :D, starting the old wooden pc and my 56 k modem and just play some laddergames. I want to go back in time. :/ dont we all :D 3 beers ? really dude XD I remember the 1st time I got drunk , it was off of too many rum shots / rum and cokes , and I still played wc3 when I got home !!!! I even have my drunken replay....I won against an orc on turtle isles....how ? I have no fucking idea , I just woke up the next day infront of my pc with a victory screen. When I get home , I'll share it with you guys | ||
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3point14
Germany890 Posts
On February 18 2014 18:23 Tchado wrote: dont we all :D 3 beers ? really dude XD I remember the 1st time I got drunk , it was off of too many rum shots / rum and cokes , and I still played wc3 when I got home !!!! I even have my drunken replay....I won against an orc on turtle isles....how ? I have no fucking idea , I just woke up the next day infront of my pc with a victory screen. When I get home , I'll share it with you guys ill be glad to watch it! we should hold a drunk tournament :D (Mojos drunken haze tournament) btw, did you realize that in the last 5 Wcgs we had a human, then NE, then Orc, then UD and now a Random Champion!!! legendary! Also its Turtle Rock XD | ||
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5c0rp10n
Germany342 Posts
On February 18 2014 18:23 Tchado wrote: dont we all :D 3 beers ? really dude XD I remember the 1st time I got drunk , it was off of too many rum shots / rum and cokes , and I still played wc3 when I got home !!!! I even have my drunken replay....I won against an orc on turtle isles....how ? I have no fucking idea , I just woke up the next day infront of my pc with a victory screen. When I get home , I'll share it with you guys man, i was 17 and a nerd. these were my first drinking experiences. :D | ||
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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
 And how in the name of the LORD do you finish humans of as orc? I've had a few games where I felt that I won all game long, and then being unable to break the towers leading to me losing a bunch of units and dying. Noobie mistake, I'm sure, since I probably shouldn't just bull rush in but I've had troubles killing humans even when using the catapults or whatever they are called. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On February 20 2014 22:28 vonKlaust II wrote: I hear breaking upkeep is bad. Am I supposed to get like EVERY upgrade before breaking 50 supply or what? At around what time am I supposed to break supply cap? It feels weird not building dudes. And how in the name of the LORD do you finish humans of as orc? I've had a few games where I felt that I won all game long, and then being unable to break the towers leading to me losing a bunch of units and dying. Noobie mistake, I'm sure, since I probably shouldn't just bull rush in but I've had troubles killing humans even when using the catapults or whatever they are called. Hey vonKlaust, I've mentioned this before, but you really shouldn't focus too much on upgrades. Because the population limit is only 100 in WC3, units almost always matter more than upgrades. The upkeep thresholds are 50, 70 and 80 if I'm not mistaken. Depending on your race, you handle the upkeep differently. For instance, a lot of Undead tend to reach 50 (or at least try to reach the closest population number to that) and then hold back on producing anything until they absolutely have to, or until they are attacking. At that time, most Undead do choose to research some major upgrades before producing. Some NEs and HUs, when expanding, also eco at 50 before producing a big army once they've saved up enough. As for Orcs, though... Orc is typically an aggressive race who has less units out on the field most of the time. It might be beneficial to economize at 50 for a bit, but I don't know if you should do it for too long. From what I've seen, most Orcs rush T3 now to get the Orb on the BM, and they tend to have very little downtime. They are either creeping, harassing or scouting. I'm no expert Orc player, so you should probably find a few replays and see if eco at 50 is actually a common thing, but I would doubt it. Bottomline: unless you fast expanded, you shouldn't be spending too much money and time on upgrades. Even then, it is recommended to upgrade when you are holding back on pop so you don't break upkeep. That is what most Undead do, and most HU/NEs who expand. Undead are different and generally don't even need to expand to do that, as their nuking potential is so powerful. UD fast expand isn't unreasonable though. I'm doubtful about keeping eco for Orcs, so I suggest watching replays. Another good time to upgrade would be if you are playing a strategy that involves a timing attack. Say you are playing Undead, and you wish to do a massive push with T2 Fiends. Upgrading ranged attack is generally a good idea in that scenario, but should be done in such a way that the upgrade is finished right before you reach your opponent's base. Typically, in WC3, one does not upgrade unless they are going for the very late game with an expand, or unless they will make use of that upgrade at a predetermined time that is included in their strategy. Only a few upgrades are key and should be researched every single game: Fiend burrow, Ultravision, Long Rifles, Ensnare, just to name a few. These upgrades aren't attack/defense but bring a lot to the table. | ||
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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
 I haven't dared to dive into later tech yet. I'm still getting used to T2.I have pretty much switched from NE to Orc now. I actually have a positive win rate with orc on Bnet ladder, while I was losing alot as NE, and winning is more fun than losing. And BM is a really fun hero. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
T3 also gives access to the instant Stronghold, an item in the Orc shop. It's expensive, but it allows you to expand in a matter of seconds. T3 also has interesting upgrades, mostly the Liquid Fire for the Bat Riders, which prevents all repairs when they attack a building, and also reduces attack rate of towers I believe. | ||
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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
On February 21 2014 00:17 Spaylz wrote: Orc T3 is good because it grants access to the Lightning Orb, which, when it procs, immobilizes the target and purges all buffs and debuffs. That means, it might remove a Hex off your target, but it'll also remove everything else and they won't be able to move. It can be counter-productive at times, since it counters Hex, but it's an excellent item. Not to mention the fact that it transforms the BM into an air killing machine. T3 also gives access to the instant Stronghold, an item in the Orc shop. It's expensive, but it allows you to expand in a matter of seconds. T3 also has interesting upgrades, mostly the Liquid Fire for the Bat Riders, which prevents all repairs when they attack a building, and also reduces attack rate of towers I believe. So Bat Riders could be an answer to human tower spamming? So hard to break. As a Human player i reckon yo have som valuable insight? | ||
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Sokrates
738 Posts
http://w3g.replays.net/doc/cn/2005-6-29/11200032000000055431.html | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
You also need to be reactive to your opponent with upkeep. If your opponent shoots up to 70 or 80 food and you're still banking up on 50 then you're probably going to lose. If your opponent is pushing with 60 food then you can probably turtle out with defenders advantage on 50 food. Making your additional units at the last possible moment is going to get you the biggest advantage. I'd also say orc tier 3 is highly overrated. Grunt raider walker every matchup easy ^_^ On February 21 2014 00:40 vonKlaust II wrote: So Bat Riders could be an answer to human tower spamming? So hard to break. As a Human player i reckon yo have som valuable insight? Bats are not how you beat a turtling human. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On February 18 2014 20:01 3point14 wrote: ill be glad to watch it! we should hold a drunk tournament :D (Mojos drunken haze tournament) btw, did you realize that in the last 5 Wcgs we had a human, then NE, then Orc, then UD and now a Random Champion!!! legendary! Also its Turtle Rock XD sorry I forgot to upload the replay , I'm too invested in worshiping the helix fossil  I'll upload it tonight | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On February 21 2014 00:40 vonKlaust II wrote: So Bat Riders could be an answer to human tower spamming? So hard to break. As a Human player i reckon yo have som valuable insight? I wouldn't say so, no. By the time you have T3, Liquid Fire and enough Bat Riders to do the work, chances are the Human will have a very potent army and/or a massive amount of towers. Bat Riders are good against Gryphons, but if the Human scouted your tech and if he is smart, he'll go all ground and smash you. Demolishers are a decent answer to towers (though no more than 3 or so). I believe there is a T2 upgrade that allows them to deal DoT damage around the area they target? I'm not sure if it's T2 or T3, but I would say T2. Another annoying thing to do is to focus the main and bring it down very quickly, but you can only generally do that if you have a lot of Raiders. The main does go down quickly, and it cripples the Human quite heavily. I'd say 6-7 Raiders is good enough to do this, possibly even less. If the Human repairs, you can simply Ensnare the Peasants, and keep focusing the main. Of course, it all depends on the amount of towers and on how the game goes. If you can catch the Human's army unawares, kill his Hero or a lot of his units before trying to break the base, you'll already have a big chance of succeeding. Truth be told, I'd say that if the Human really has too many towers, it's probably better to creep a lot and keep excellent map control so you can catch him. If your Heroes outlevel his, and if he can't really go outside due to you coming down on him too hard, his towers won't matter in the long run, as you'll have map control and more XP. Kind of a scorched earth tactic: kill every creep on the map and take all the gold/XP, that way he'll have an army but his Heroes will be low level. I wouldn't say that Orc T3 is overrated. It's definitely good, but it simply depends on your play style. The good old Grunts/Raiders/SW does work wonders, and it's effective in most match-ups. Some high level players simply go T3 often, but that's a matter of preference, as it relies on the Orb and on the BM becoming a walking slaughterhouse. | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
The problem with Humans massing towers is you never know what they might have behind it. They might have mass gryphs, mass gyros, mass tanks, invisimortars with AM/BM pounding your gold peons, mass hawks, or hell they might just go mass knights/sorcs and overwhelm you before you get a counter out. Scout Scout Scout, spend some money on reveals from the goblin workshop if you need to. | ||
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Sokrates
738 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
For one, it's a slow unit. Undead have the possibility to slow it even more with their towers. You can also arrange your base in such a way that makes it difficult to send Tanks directly against your main and such. As Night Elf, uprooting counters Tanks, as it changes the armor of Ancients to Heavy from Building. They are hard to deal with though, but Panda is good. As Human, it's possible to build walls of Farms to delay the Tanks, though mass Tanks isn't common in that match-up. As Undead, I'd recommend putting up two Frost Towers (or whatever they're called) and putting a few Ziggurats in front of your main. Ghouls also do wonders against Tanks, as you can circle them and kill them. As Orc, Ensnare counters Tanks pretty damn hard. Raiders also have Siege attack, which helps dispose of Tanks even faster. Overall, Tanks can be pretty tough to deal with depending on the map, but it's certainly not impossible. Good map awareness is key, as good Human players will generally send small groups of Tanks to hit you in several locations. | ||
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1120 Posts
On February 21 2014 00:58 Tchado wrote: sorry I forgot to upload the replay , I'm too invested in worshiping the helix fossil I'll upload it tonight gogogo! It IS tonight! %) | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
a few notes , I have been playing wc3 for years and I love this game , but I am bad so dont expect anything epic , and please keep in mind I was drunk as fuck. 2nd , I didnt find this file on my pc , so I digged up my old computer and found it there , and lo and behold ! it wasnt on turtle rock.....it was on secret valley ! I swear watching this replay I was thinking.....WHEN THE FUCK DID I PLAY THIS GAME ? and DAMN WE BOTH SUCK !!!! :O Check out the surround @ min 20 , and the hilarious ending http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/74762428/file.html LONG LIVE WC3 !!!!! Post some of your own replays people ! Drunken ones or any replays with fucking hilarious circumstances also work Edit : I remember now , I woke up in front of the computer with a victory screen , with barf on my keyboard..... wow watching the replay again XD , that failed tower rush , losing all those heroes , never reacting to anything....all I can think about is what kind of rum was I drinking that night ? I bet it was good.... | ||
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3point14
Germany890 Posts
i dont even remember them do I have to install a version switcher for your replay? i guess so? btw Ive been watching replays of Hla recently. really interesting player, very creative, fresh ideas and dynamic playstyle | ||
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