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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 25 2014 21:34 GMT
#541
Damn, Lucifer lost to Cechi?!

Poor dude just can't catch a break. Can't win the last WCG, can't even win the last Zotac apparently... :-(

I still love you, Lucifer!
I like words.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
January 26 2014 14:49 GMT
#542
Haven't even looked at this game since a few years before sc2 went beta. What are the current imbalances? What are the good/bad matchups? What are the common strats and unit comps these days?
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 26 2014 15:15 GMT
#543
Hey MarlieChurphy, and welcome to the thread!

I'd say the metagame has not shifted that much since the start of SC2. Blizzard hasn't balanced the game one bit, so the Blademaster is still too strong, UD still struggles against Orcs, etc.

I'd say that if you had a good knowledge of the game back before you quit, you won't have any trouble finding your marks again. Few things have changed. Humans tend to scout with their first Footman rather than with a militia now, NEs seem to use the Warden a whole lot, Orcs pretty much still stick to the magic formula (BM/SH/Raiders/SW/Grunts) and Undead still heavily relies on nuking to get things done.

Regarding the match-ups, I'd say they look something like this, from most balanced to least balanced:

HU vs. NE
NE vs. UD
UD vs. HU
Orc vs. NE
HU vs. Orc
Orc vs. UD

The strategies haven't changed all that much, although some crazy ones make their way to the top level. TH000 finished the WCG Finals against Moon by going Tinker first + tower rush on EI for example. I know that when I picked the game back up and looked at some games, I didn't see any real major differences, which I think is normal: the game is ten years old after all and while I'm sure there are some possibilities that have yet to be explored, the game has been figured out to a pretty large extent.

I'd say go visit Replays.net and enjoy a few nice games to see it all for yourself!
I like words.
Meth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada396 Posts
February 02 2014 06:44 GMT
#544
I am so happy to have found this thread. I just recently reinstalled the game (never got into even when I had it years ago) and wow I wish I had gotten INTO IT!!! I love it.

Brood war player for 14 years but DAMN. I'm feelin WC3 much much more. I will have to check out all the communities and the replay sites, and GET BUSY.

The problem I have the most is trying to find a stream with which WC3 is being played. Too bad there isn't one like snipealot's stream... just playing and playing and playing replays, old and new.

<3
Brood War for life
Kaos_StarCraft
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia92 Posts
February 02 2014 08:24 GMT
#545
On February 02 2014 15:44 Meth wrote:
I am so happy to have found this thread. I just recently reinstalled the game (never got into even when I had it years ago) and wow I wish I had gotten INTO IT!!! I love it.

Brood war player for 14 years but DAMN. I'm feelin WC3 much much more. I will have to check out all the communities and the replay sites, and GET BUSY.

The problem I have the most is trying to find a stream with which WC3 is being played. Too bad there isn't one like snipealot's stream... just playing and playing and playing replays, old and new.

<3


Damn dude you missed the glory days, WC3 was a truly phenomenal game. There are a tonnes of old games on youtube, most of which include some of the greatest games of all time. Grubby's channel has some of his games up including commentary from the man himself. I'm sure there are still people kicking around on b.net if you're keen for ladder games GLHF :D (Y)
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
February 02 2014 13:41 GMT
#546
report back on your progress in skill
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
February 02 2014 14:25 GMT
#547
Hey Meth, and welcome to the thread!

You can find a lot of into in the OP, notably regarding replays and what not. Check out the YouTube channels, most of them have a looooot of games, especially Purebe.

If you want to play some games, ring me up; we'll make it happen (:

WC3 Forever!
I like words.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 02 2014 17:11 GMT
#548
I said it once I'll say again , Lucifer is a fucking boss ! what an amazing stream where we can see gosu wc3 play and luci smoking whatever he has rolling around XD
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 05 2014 15:17 GMT
#549
Hey guys check this out , I was on Lucifer's stream and I asked him what did for a living , check out his response.

[image loading]

Seems like he is signed to YY , no idea how that works , but I'm glad he can still make a living , is Moon on this shit ??? what is he up to these days ?
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
February 05 2014 15:42 GMT
#550
That's very interesting, although not too surprising. WC3 is still big in Asia after all.

I wonder what it is though. The chat is assuming YY, but Lucifer doesn't confirm, at least not in your quote. Could be something else. Otherwise I would assume it'd be a sponsorship more than an actual "team", and it's entirely possible too, YY seems to be pretty successful.

Will have to watch for announcements in the near future. I don't know about Moon though, haven't seen much of him since the WCG. Were I him, I would have been tempted to come back, especially after the cheers he received from the crowd at the WCG.

WC3 Forever!
I like words.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 05 2014 16:26 GMT
#551
We kept talking on chat , it seems like a sponsorship , I thought he was signed to a team but not likely.....at least we can confirm that Lucifer is making a living off of being a wc3 pro gamer , and that is great to know.

We also kept talking on chat , the people there said Moon is heading off to the military , again no confirmation just a fuck ton of people saying it.
Meth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada396 Posts
February 06 2014 16:53 GMT
#552
Thank you for the YT Channel for games to watch, I will bookmark it.

is wc3arena the iccup for wc3? I go on iccup for wc3 and its all dota, so i assume that?
just got wc3a and it had like 30 ppl on it lol

im glad to see bnet is still populated, albeit a minority, for both games WC3 and SC.
Brood War for life
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
February 06 2014 17:47 GMT
#553
Hey Meth,

w3arena is actually a very nice server, albeit not very populated. Mind you, it's a new server for a ten year old game, and there are perhaps 100 to 200 players on it at most. If I recall, the server was going to shut down but players donated and saved it, which is kind of heartwarming.

The delay is nice, the ladder works great, but it's not optimal for beginners as you tend to meet people at random. Due to the small size of the community, the rankings aren't very relevant and you are likely to meet high ranked people, or even top 10 ranked, in your first levels.

If you are a little more experienced, it is great, as the lag is non-existent and the level is good. Otherwise, BNet works. You'll get some lag, the occasional hacker, but it's still very much enjoyable. The best option is probably YY, as the server is huge with a lot of people and a dedicated ranking system, but it's hard to play if you are not in Asia.

And then we have this little community, where people play together from time to time. Most of us were teenagers when we played WC3, so we naturally had a lot more time on our hands back then. I try to play when I can, but I'm busy with work and I also play other games. If you want to do a game, hit me up here or add me on GArena. You'll find the handles of the most active people in the OP for GArena and BNet.

Plus, if you have questions about the game, I'll be happy to answer.

WC3 Forever!
I like words.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
February 09 2014 13:26 GMT
#554
LOL WTF XD

http://www.sk-gaming.com/forum/12-Warcraft_III/851200-4KGrubby_laughs_about_aids_etc

I know this is old as fuck but does anyone know where I can land the replay ? I wanna know what made grubby so frustrated
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
February 09 2014 17:01 GMT
#555
That's very old. I believe Grubby commented on it himself later, only to say something like he was goofing around with his teammates and didn't mean it. Let's face it, most players have gone there, no matter the game.

SK.Eric was a notorious moron, he only did it to stir things up and try to bring a bad reputation on Grubby. The whole thing was pretty stupid.

A lot of players had horrible manners in WC3, but not Grubby. I definitely recall a few names... ToD, ElakeDuck and naNiwa were pretty rude all the time. It just spiced things up. I miss it all!
I like words.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
February 09 2014 17:29 GMT
#556
Elakeduck wasn't rude, he was awesome!

"Can I write imba with peons please?"
:D
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
February 09 2014 17:53 GMT
#557
On January 27 2014 00:15 Spaylz wrote:
Regarding the match-ups, I'd say they look something like this, from most balanced to least balanced:
HU vs. NE
NE vs. UD
UD vs. HU
Orc vs. NE
HU vs. Orc
Orc vs. UD

Since when this? Did something happened since 2010? I don't follow anymore because everyone quitted because of sc2.
Looks like because every top player quitted so that the skill by "bad" players changed the matchup balance.

I never thought that HU vs NE is most balanced matchup oO, it was the second least.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
February 09 2014 18:00 GMT
#558
Bear in mind that is my personal opinion, not an official statement. It's mostly based on my memory of the discussions I've had in the past.

But I think HU vs. NE was widely considered to be the most balanced match-up, even before 2010. Which match-up would you say is most balanced? And how would HU vs. NE be the top 2 least balanced match-up? I'm curious.
I like words.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
February 09 2014 18:11 GMT
#559
On January 23 2014 05:18 GranDGranT wrote:
Hey all, Warcraft 3 customs tonight. Twitch.tv/grandgrant Will be playing with Exliquid Korok again, also Bleek and Even you if you want to join.

I can post how to set up Garena if anyone cares to join


lol HoN players playing wc3? cool
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 18:21:32
February 09 2014 18:19 GMT
#560
I get what you are saying Spaylz , we all have been there XD

Funny thing , I was never a BM player in any video game , until I started playing Heroes of Newerth , that community is so toxic if you don't join in on the racism and smack talk it's just not fun at all XD , then I started doing it in wc3.....loving it so far

Btw aside from the topic I really wanna bring this up , how come TeD's tier 2 banshee push vs orc didn't become a match up standard ? I still see alot of replays and streams where UDs just simply refuse to use it , is the strategy dead or has it been figured out by orc players ? I haven't seen anyone but TeD use it , and lets face it , if a strategy can win you a WCG title while shitting on the best orcs in the world.....why not use it ????
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