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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6992 Posts
November 15 2024 07:40 GMT
#4721
On November 15 2024 07:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2024 21:07 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Seems like Warcraft 2 is going to get the "remaster" treatment now. May be interesting. Hope it's closer to the BW remaster than anything else though.

After watching a couple of youtube videos just seems like they really half-assed it.Can barely tell the difference with the new graphics, some of the units even look worse like destroyers.A lot of detail lost.Not sure if Warcraft II even needed a remaster to be honest.

But if people for some reason want to play warcraft 1, with all the quality of life stuff they added like hotkeys, increased unit selection from 4 to 12, right click to move etc it's better to play the remastered.A far bigger jump with the graphics from old to new as well compared to warcraft 2.


WC 1 and WC 2 clearly look at lot better. WC 3 is arguably worse for some reason
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6992 Posts
November 15 2024 07:42 GMT
#4722
On November 15 2024 01:47 Excalibur_Z wrote:
What are you all talking about with regard to preorders? All of those things in the Battle Chest went live immediately alongside the announcement.


See how burned we all are? The amount of rightfully placed misstrust Blizzard earned over the years is irrefutable
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4355 Posts
November 15 2024 07:51 GMT
#4723
On November 15 2024 16:40 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2024 07:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 07 2024 21:07 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Seems like Warcraft 2 is going to get the "remaster" treatment now. May be interesting. Hope it's closer to the BW remaster than anything else though.

After watching a couple of youtube videos just seems like they really half-assed it.Can barely tell the difference with the new graphics, some of the units even look worse like destroyers.A lot of detail lost.Not sure if Warcraft II even needed a remaster to be honest.

But if people for some reason want to play warcraft 1, with all the quality of life stuff they added like hotkeys, increased unit selection from 4 to 12, right click to move etc it's better to play the remastered.A far bigger jump with the graphics from old to new as well compared to warcraft 2.


WC 1 and WC 2 clearly look at lot better. WC 3 is arguably worse for some reason

The WC3 upscale is apparently just done by AI.
WC2 they are saying is hand drawn but i dunno, maybe a combination.Has a mobile game look to it now.

Certainly not enough here for me to buy it when i already have it on gog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada506 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-15 17:12:08
November 15 2024 17:11 GMT
#4724
Nice that they are finally taking a proper swing at it but at the same time smells very bad that they forced this launch on the Warcraft Anniversary date when WC3 (from what I've seen) is still not done and has bugs and other things to fix. Basically makes it look like they are once again cash grabbing instead of the "When its done" of Blizzard old.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
November 15 2024 21:04 GMT
#4725
kinda looks like a low effort garbage at this very moment, tbh..

wc3 looking the worst out of all of them also..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1819 Posts
November 15 2024 21:09 GMT
#4726
its so weird to me when they make HD sprites but keep everything else about the games ancient. It feels so out of place. The games need a REMAKE not a graphical update.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6737 Posts
November 15 2024 23:11 GMT
#4727
Starcraft Remastered and Diablo Resurrection are so insanely good compared to wc1 wc2 wc3 remasters. I was honestly expecting something better for the wc2 remastered edition.



Like the difference is actually minimal lmao. Blizzard..
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10091 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-15 23:25:52
November 15 2024 23:22 GMT
#4728
On November 16 2024 08:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Starcraft Remastered and Diablo Resurrection are so insanely good compared to wc1 wc2 wc3 remasters. I was honestly expecting something better for the wc2 remastered edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9Ac4WVW6Q

Like the difference is actually minimal lmao. Blizzard..

that intro still gives me chills

i havent played any of the remasters but that video with wc2 footage looks great imo
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25986 Posts
November 15 2024 23:30 GMT
#4729
On November 16 2024 06:09 CicadaSC wrote:
its so weird to me when they make HD sprites but keep everything else about the games ancient. It feels so out of place. The games need a REMAKE not a graphical update.

I’m alright with it, a little more ambition would have been nice for sure.

I think Reforged as it was originally pitched was a great balance between a little upgraded remaster made more compatible, and a fully fledged remake. Hell it wasn’t purely just pitching either, early vertical slices shown indicated they were working on those things. Shame penny-pinching completely fucked it.

Granted I never played Warcraft 1 and I only played the demo of Warcraft 2, so I don’t have a lot of nostalgic affection and I’m just happy to have a decently-priced bundle (for me, as WC3 is still probably my all-time favourite game)

It’s not that I don’t have standards, I think it’s mostly because I just want to have some kind of new title. It’s been nice these past few years with decent remasters of games from my childhood I didn’t have the money to all buy, hopefully this can transition to some new material
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
November 16 2024 05:26 GMT
#4730
The thing is Blizzard games always had incredible visual design back in those games. High visual clarity, strong aesthetic, etc etc

It would actually be very difficult to top those old graphics with some high-fidelity stuff. Not impossible, but it actually gets a lot harder to maintain that clarity and aesthetic when you get more detailed.

I like that they added the healthbars.
The original Bogus fan.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
November 16 2024 11:37 GMT
#4731
On November 16 2024 08:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Starcraft Remastered and Diablo Resurrection are so insanely good compared to wc1 wc2 wc3 remasters. I was honestly expecting something better for the wc2 remastered edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9Ac4WVW6Q

Like the difference is actually minimal lmao. Blizzard..

Agreed. Very weird that it was Warcraft - their biggest cash cow IP that got shafted not once but twice. What a bummer.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1918 Posts
November 16 2024 15:30 GMT
#4732
On November 15 2024 01:47 Excalibur_Z wrote:
What are you all talking about with regard to preorders? All of those things in the Battle Chest went live immediately alongside the announcement.


There was a leak about at least WarCraft 2 getting remastered a few days ahead of the announcement and at that point it was not clear that the release was imminent.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1918 Posts
November 16 2024 15:40 GMT
#4733
On November 15 2024 09:00 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
well, only hopeful thing is maybe Warcraft 4 is in the making :D


I highly doubt enough people who actually can derive what makes Blizzard RTS games so great are still with the company, so I'm actually not sure if they could develop a good one if they tried.

This might be a dark mirror universe J. Allen Brack "You think you do, but you don't." moment where he's actually right.
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ghredfgsa
Profile Joined November 2024
4 Posts
November 16 2024 22:18 GMT
#4734
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 05:22:49
November 17 2024 05:22 GMT
#4735
what mmr would u need in normal WC3 ladder before you can switch to WC3 champions and not get farmed? I'm a new player to WC3 and curious about these things. currently struggling under 4k mmr lol my gut tells me 4.5k-5000 but if anyone knows more exactly id appreciate it ^^
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 06:13:34
November 17 2024 06:13 GMT
#4736
On November 17 2024 14:22 CicadaSC wrote:
what mmr would u need in normal WC3 ladder before you can switch to WC3 champions and not get farmed? I'm a new player to WC3 and curious about these things. currently struggling under 4k mmr lol my gut tells me 4.5k-5000 but if anyone knows more exactly id appreciate it ^^


Grubby guessed that the starting MMR on Bnet is probably around the equivalent of 1200 MMR on W3Champions (which seeds you at 1500). That said, there are a lot of brand new players on Bnet just like you who aren't aware of W3Champions at all, so it's probably fine to just mess around on Bnet for the time being, then move over to W3Champions as a more long-term strategy.
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1819 Posts
November 17 2024 06:15 GMT
#4737
On November 17 2024 15:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2024 14:22 CicadaSC wrote:
what mmr would u need in normal WC3 ladder before you can switch to WC3 champions and not get farmed? I'm a new player to WC3 and curious about these things. currently struggling under 4k mmr lol my gut tells me 4.5k-5000 but if anyone knows more exactly id appreciate it ^^


Grubby guessed that the starting MMR on Bnet is probably around the equivalent of 1200 MMR on W3Champions (which seeds you at 1500). That said, there are a lot of brand new players on Bnet just like you who aren't aware of W3Champions at all, so it's probably fine to just mess around on Bnet for the time being, then move over to W3Champions as a more long-term strategy.

thanks for the response and insight!
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 06:17:23
November 17 2024 06:16 GMT
#4738
If anyone can help me with HUMAN Tech Progression i am a bit lost after riflemen, footman and 2 hero stage. i heard u go priests but arent they useless until t3 inner fire? I made a couple and it felt like they did literally nothing. Do i need to research something at t2 for them to be good?
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
November 17 2024 06:20 GMT
#4739
On November 17 2024 07:18 ghredfgsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2024 00:40 Creager wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:00 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
well, only hopeful thing is maybe Warcraft 4 is in the making :D


I highly doubt enough people who actually can derive what makes Blizzard RTS games so great are still with the company, so I'm actually not sure if they could develop a good one if they tried.

This might be a dark mirror universe J. Allen Brack "You think you do, but you don't." moment where he's actually right.

They are doing Stormgate and Battle Aces right now. GLHF
Quick reminder of what EX-Blizzard developer have done:
Wildstar
Hellgate: London
Upcoming: Sunderfolk
Marvel Snap


Feels like you're trying to dunk here but you conveniently left out Torchlight.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 06:33:27
November 17 2024 06:30 GMT
#4740
On November 17 2024 15:16 CicadaSC wrote:
If anyone can help me with HUMAN Tech Progression i am a bit lost after riflemen, footman and 2 hero stage. i heard u go priests but arent they useless until t3 inner fire? I made a couple and it felt like they did literally nothing. Do i need to research something at t2 for them to be good?


Feels like you just need some basic resources to find a build and explain why it's good. WC3 Gym is great for that, and their Discord is designed for mentorship. Grubby also has beginner-oriented builds and strategies both posted in his Discord (in #wc3-builds) as well as his main Youtube channel.

Short answer is Priest healing is very good as it keeps the Human army downtime low, particularly paired with Brilliance Aura to fuel their mana regen. Priest Dispel is immensely useful and is arguably a main reason you get Priests in the first place. It has a decent AoE, removes buffs and debuffs, and deals 200 damage to summons. Inner Fire is of course nice to have if you go Castle, but doing so is a big commitment that will only be affordable if you have a strong economy.
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