EPTi guess its just a difference of marketing strategy, as you said, sony is gaming system with secondary entertainment and xbox is pushing it as entertainment system and gaming secondary. as far as i can tell, they both do the same thing in similar ways.
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i guess its just a difference of marketing strategy, as you said, sony is gaming system with secondary entertainment and xbox is pushing it as entertainment system and gaming secondary. as far as i can tell, they both do the same thing in similar ways. | ||
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JimmiC
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:27 JimmiC wrote: I don't think you understand the word change. If you weren't before and are not now. Thats not a change. Lol, I think you missed the point... | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:27 JimmiC wrote: I don't think you understand the word change. If you weren't before and are not now. Thats not a change. Did you by any chance immigrate to Canada from Romania? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
What does add value for me is that the device is acting as a pass-through for television, the same way Google TV does. I like the idea of searching for all my content from one screen (plus not changing inputs.) The problem is that the pass-through features don't require all the restrictions on the system nor should they require the $15/mo fee for Live, on top of my cable bill + Netflix + Amazon + HBO. Admittedly I'd be purchasing it anyways, but the extra $120/yr XBL costs over PS+ is far more expensive than that feature is worth to me. Switching inputs and keeping live TV separate from Netflix/Amazon/HBO is clumsy, but it's not $120/yr clumsy. And I'm sure both will be just fine as media center devices, just like the 360 and PS3 currently are. I realize that Microsoft is branding it as an all-encompassing media center system, but they haven't actually shown me how that's true. A pass-through and voice commands are not much added value. Both systems will let me stream things from my computer and will work as all-around movie players from Bluray/Netflix/Amazon/HBO. One is just slightly more convenient than the other. So what are they talking about when they say it's substantially better suited for a media center than the PS4? Please don't say the Halo TV show. | ||
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JimmiC
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:40 JimmiC wrote: I think his point was to simply be a dick, add no value, and say nothing. He did want the guy who spent a long time writing a post, full of a view we havn't heard much from feel bad. I'm not a fan of that so my goal was to mirror the behavior and see if he appreciated it. his japing about the huge post, simply saying, imo "you guys got it all wrong, xbox is a entertainment system, not a gaming system and what MS is doing is all understandable, because its a entertainment system". i understand these "cool new techs" but realistically, i dont know any of my friends that use siri, no one in my family uses the features on "smart tv" using voice and gestures. i have never, ever used voice features on my phone unless its just to see how it works. these are glorified features that doesnt really do anything. of course, this view varies by person. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On June 15 2013 07:33 Jibba wrote: I actually think the entertainment features of the XBO are good, but not overwhelmingly so, as I still don't think it makes very good use of Kinect. Voice activation and hand movements simply don't add value for me, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's a common sentiment. What does add value for me is that the device is acting as a pass-through for television, the same way Google TV does. I like the idea of searching for all my content from one screen (plus not changing inputs.) The problem is that the pass-through features don't require all the restrictions on the system nor should they require the $15/mo fee for Live, on top of my cable bill + Netflix + Amazon + HBO. Admittedly I'd be purchasing it anyways, but the extra $120/yr XBL costs over PS+ is far more expensive than that feature is worth to me. Switching inputs and keeping live TV separate from Netflix/Amazon/HBO is clumsy, but it's not $120/yr clumsy. And I'm sure both will be just fine as media center devices, just like the 360 and PS3 currently are. I realize that Microsoft is branding it as an all-encompassing media center system, but they haven't actually shown me how that's true. A pass-through and voice commands are not much added value. Both will let me stream things from my computer and will work as all-around movie players from Bluray/Netflix/Amazon/HBO. So what are they talking about when they say it's substantially better suited for a media center than the PS4? Please don't say the Halo TV show. Yup, that's my biggest disappointment of the One. They showed a bunch of cool stuff, but a lot of the stuff is actually already starting to be done and I don't see anything truly mindblowing. The reveal was really underwhelming in my opinion, even though I can see why they're doing it and how they're distinguishing themselves from the competition. However, I do know that conceptually it is very possible for them in the future to push the entire Windows integration way over the top to the point where I can shout "turn on Starcraft 2" to my phone while I'm in the living room walking towards my computer, and it automatically turns on Starcraft 2 when I get to my room. THAT is the shit I'm excited about and why I like the idea of the complete integration of services that Microsoft is trying to do here. It reminds me of Tom Clancy's End War where you spoke commands to fight the battles. I'm also excited because it means we can start looking more like Tony Stark's shit where everything is one system. But I definitely agree, I don't see anything brilliant. It's just that Microsoft is pushing more in the direction I would like and that I envision the future as, much more than Sony, because honestly buying a PS4 has no benefits for me in the future if Sony isn't actively working on bring all this cool shit, while Microsoft looks like it wants to. That's the idea (I hope) they're trying to sell. I also have hopes that MS will actually use all the shit they didn't show, like how the Kinect can detect your heart stuff? No demoes, but there should be a reason it's there. I'm not a fan of the hand waving either but the Galaxy S4 is doing it so I guess it's a good direction. On June 15 2013 07:45 Brett wrote: Economy of words, JimmiC. He didn't have to make a 10 paragraph post to make his very valid point. The 10 paragraph post is to explain the vision that I believe Microsoft has taken and my proof of why I think that's the vision they've taken. If I didn't prove those things someone would just ask me how I knew this shit, where did it come from, or I must be another employee. This way at least you can see the reasoning and where you agree or disagree with my thought processes, and how it kind of aligns with everything that's happened so far. | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
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JimmiC
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 15 2013 06:48 Blisse wrote: Also, it's pretty sad to see people using Xbone all the time - you do realize how sad you resort to name calling? Are you 5th graders? Grow up... This is actually a pretty fair point. I know some people just want to mock it but for the people who actually want to have a discussion, you have to realize this isn't helpful. I'm guilty of doing it and the Microsoft marketing team might be guilty of not seeing this obvious one coming, but for the sake of dialogue it causes problems. It's a pejorative, albeit a more mild one, the same as Crapple, Scroogle, M$, Libtard, etc. You use it in a conversation and the other party is going to immediately become defensive about it, which instantly cuts down on the range of conversations you can have. Now there's merit in that if you just want to make fun of something, but if you actually want to discuss something with another viewpoint, you can't lead off with a name that bothers them. That's why I'm switching to XBO. | ||
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JimmiC
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Jibba
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
@ JimmiC: Again, you're ignoring the actual point he made because you perceive it as 'being a dick' (seemingly because he didn't spend half a page making said point). | ||
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Shinbi
338 Posts
On June 15 2013 08:00 Jibba wrote: Wait, can someone clarify how much XBL costs? I thought it was $15/month. Other places I see $5/month. Currently, I believe XBL subscription is $5 a month ($49.99 if paid yearly), though I could be wrong. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
 The first sentence is a windup for the second. If it was in a sitcom, the character would've stormed out of the room shortly after and slammed the door.But being dickish isn't off-limits or anything. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 15 2013 08:00 Jibba wrote: Wait, can someone clarify how much XBL costs? I thought it was $15/month. Other places I see $5/month. At the moment, in the US the pricing is as follows: 1 month: $9.99 3 months: $24.99 12 months: $59.99 EDIT: Screenshot from the page to join xblive ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k3lMfjC.jpg) | ||
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jinorazi
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