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On June 12 2013 04:08 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Pretty much this. The only reason people think it was a rape comment is because people typically associate being beat hard in a video game to being "raped". The "it'll all be over soon" can be used for other things... such as when you are sick and want to hold back from throwing up. People sometimes say that to you so that you let it out. It isnt a direct rape comment, it is only viewed by some that way because she was getting destroyed (or in old gamer culture: raped).
Which is almost as much fail as having Spielberg come onscreen to gain "street cred" because he "played Pong". :D
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On June 12 2013 04:15 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:10 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 04:08 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 12 2013 04:05 squanzo wrote:On June 12 2013 04:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 12 2013 03:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:14 maartendq wrote:On June 12 2013 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
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'Social dynamics'
Did you mean the social dynamics of rape comments or the social dynamics of mindlessly joining in when someone is being beaten down? The social dynamics of rape comments, how offensive they actually are outside of our little gaming world, and how incredibly sexist the gaming world actually is. Rape jokes are absolutely unacceptable anywhere else in society, and so gamers need to accept that when you are on a massively covered stage like E3, you don't just get to make rape jokes like you do on your couch with your buddies or behind the safety of your anonymous gamer tag online. I would advise you to never, ever watch any sketch by monty python and to never watch any episode of south park or family guy, because each of these shows make fun of any and all religions, handicaps and handicapped people, jews, the holocaust, hitler, etc. I also fail to see how anyone can be insulted by anything that does not personally affect them. Some of us aren't incredibly selfish and self-centered, so we care about others around us. On the topic of satire, that's the point of things like Monty Python, South Park, etc. It's satire. One of the biggest and most public stages in the entire world for video games is not. Hell, even if those shows just started throwing out racial or homophobic slurs with no context to make it satirical, they would get blasted by everyone, even moreso than they are now for being offensive. You started out calling us self centered and selfish, claiming we don't care about anyone around us. If you can't force the other side to agree with your position alienate them, criminalize them, and dehumanize them to create a moral highground. Classic. Come on man, we're better than this. It was a freaking joke. If they want to come into the gaming world they're going to have to grow some thicker skin because guess what, when people are being competitive they're going to trash talk. That's just the nature of competitive activities. Freaking out because someone said "It'll be over soon, don't worry" when they are absolutely destroying someone in a fighting game is one of the most inane, petty things I've ever seen whined about on an internet forum. Everyone is going to be offended by something. Trying to never offend anyone ever is a pointless goal. So we might as well just sit back and try to freaking enjoy ourselves a bit instead of throwing a shitfit over every little thing that offends us. I'm all for internet free speech. If you're going to enter the world of the internet and dealing with the private individual, you're going to have to deal with nastiness, just like in everyday life. However, gamers have to come to a realization as well. If they want gaming to become socially acceptable in a serious manner, they need to stop hiding behind this excuse, stop acting like 13-year-olds, and actually push those that represent the gaming community to be respectable. This doesn't mean pushing everyone to be politically correct, but merely holding those accountable that represent us, and that includes major developers like Sony and Microsoft. Also, I was responding to the claim that "you shouldn't be offended by anything that doesn't affect you." I'm not black. I'm not homosexual. However, if I see someone around me being blatantly racist or homophobic to someone who is either of these things, I'll give them a smackdown (either literally or verbally), because I believe in tolerance, empathy, and human dignity (and no, tolerance does not extend to tolerating intolerance. That is a bullshit argument put forth by morons who don't have any other way to hide their racism/sexism/homophobia/etc). Holy fuck, stop. There is absolutely nothing to what the guy was saying on the stage other than that the beatdown would "be over soon" This thread is giving me cancer. OMGOSH DID I SAY CANCER? IM SO INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE WITH CANCER. Pretty much this. The only reason people think it was a rape comment is because people typically associate being beat hard in a video game to being "raped". The "it'll all be over soon" can be used for other things... such as when you are sick and want to hold back from throwing up. People sometimes say that to you so that you let it out. It isnt a direct rape comment, it is only viewed by some that way because she was getting destroyed (or in old gamer culture: raped). Good God, does that comment make me feel old.  Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 04:05 squanzo wrote:On June 12 2013 04:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 12 2013 03:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:14 maartendq wrote:On June 12 2013 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 12 2013 03:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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My first thought when the dude said, "Just relax it'll be over soon" was, "Oh shit, people are gonna get pissed."
If you can't see how this is offensive, you're simply ignorant about social dynamics. 'Social dynamics' Did you mean the social dynamics of rape comments or the social dynamics of mindlessly joining in when someone is being beaten down? The social dynamics of rape comments, how offensive they actually are outside of our little gaming world, and how incredibly sexist the gaming world actually is. Rape jokes are absolutely unacceptable anywhere else in society, and so gamers need to accept that when you are on a massively covered stage like E3, you don't just get to make rape jokes like you do on your couch with your buddies or behind the safety of your anonymous gamer tag online. I would advise you to never, ever watch any sketch by monty python and to never watch any episode of south park or family guy, because each of these shows make fun of any and all religions, handicaps and handicapped people, jews, the holocaust, hitler, etc. I also fail to see how anyone can be insulted by anything that does not personally affect them. Some of us aren't incredibly selfish and self-centered, so we care about others around us. On the topic of satire, that's the point of things like Monty Python, South Park, etc. It's satire. One of the biggest and most public stages in the entire world for video games is not. Hell, even if those shows just started throwing out racial or homophobic slurs with no context to make it satirical, they would get blasted by everyone, even moreso than they are now for being offensive. You started out calling us self centered and selfish, claiming we don't care about anyone around us. If you can't force the other side to agree with your position alienate them, criminalize them, and dehumanize them to create a moral highground. Classic. Come on man, we're better than this. It was a freaking joke. If they want to come into the gaming world they're going to have to grow some thicker skin because guess what, when people are being competitive they're going to trash talk. That's just the nature of competitive activities. Freaking out because someone said "It'll be over soon, don't worry" when they are absolutely destroying someone in a fighting game is one of the most inane, petty things I've ever seen whined about on an internet forum. Everyone is going to be offended by something. Trying to never offend anyone ever is a pointless goal. So we might as well just sit back and try to freaking enjoy ourselves a bit instead of throwing a shitfit over every little thing that offends us. I'm all for internet free speech. If you're going to enter the world of the internet and dealing with the private individual, you're going to have to deal with nastiness, just like in everyday life. However, gamers have to come to a realization as well. If they want gaming to become socially acceptable in a serious manner, they need to stop hiding behind this excuse, stop acting like 13-year-olds, and actually push those that represent the gaming community to be respectable. This doesn't mean pushing everyone to be politically correct, but merely holding those accountable that represent us, and that includes major developers like Sony and Microsoft. Also, I was responding to the claim that "you shouldn't be offended by anything that doesn't affect you." I'm not black. I'm not homosexual. However, if I see someone around me being blatantly racist or homophobic to someone who is either of these things, I'll give them a smackdown (either literally or verbally), because I believe in tolerance, empathy, and human dignity (and no, tolerance does not extend to tolerating intolerance. That is a bullshit argument put forth by morons who don't have any other way to hide their racism/sexism/homophobia/etc). Holy fuck, stop. There is absolutely nothing to what the guy was saying on the stage other than that the beatdown would "be over soon" This thread is giving me cancer. OMGOSH DID I SAY CANCER? IM SO INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE WITH CANCER. It's fun and all to be able to act like an adolescent and pretend that "nothing is offensive unless you make it offensive", "people just overreact", and "people need to get thicker skin", but in the real world, with adults, where certain phrases in a number of contexts have certain offensive connotations, and when they immediately draw a shocked response from the audience, it's pretty obvious that you said the wrong thing. Pretty much this. The only reason people think it was a rape comment is because people typically associate being beat hard in a video game to being "raped". The "it'll all be over soon" can be used for other things... such as when you are sick and want to hold back from throwing up. People sometimes say that to you so that you let it out. It isnt a direct rape comment, it is only viewed by some that way because she was getting destroyed (or in old gamer culture: raped). What you describe is called context, and you need to be aware of it to operate in society. The phrase can be used in any situation in which it is currently bad, but will be better later. That is the context. Rape is ONLY involved if people understand the culture of gamers back when "oh dude you are getting RAPED" was used. These are the ONLY people that will take it in the rape fashion.
Gamer culture is highly criticized on the very fact that rape is a commonly used word. This context was
-A male facing a female
-In a video game
-Where he was very handily winning the game by physically beating her up (in the game)
-Several stereotypical or semi-sexist comments were made before it
-He then uses a phrase that, while it is used in many places, it is also commonly associated with sexual abuse
The context was ripe for the interpretation, and the crowd audibly responded and acknowledged that it was a rather out-of-place comment. If you want to argue that gamers shouldn't have to be politically correct, then fine (I think that's ridiculous but go ahead and argue that), but to say that there isn't even an issue to discuss here is simply ridiculous. It was clearly in a context that made it entirely plausible to interpret it offensively.
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On June 12 2013 04:19 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:15 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 12 2013 04:10 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 04:08 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 12 2013 04:05 squanzo wrote:On June 12 2013 04:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 12 2013 03:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:14 maartendq wrote:On June 12 2013 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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The social dynamics of rape comments, how offensive they actually are outside of our little gaming world, and how incredibly sexist the gaming world actually is. Rape jokes are absolutely unacceptable anywhere else in society, and so gamers need to accept that when you are on a massively covered stage like E3, you don't just get to make rape jokes like you do on your couch with your buddies or behind the safety of your anonymous gamer tag online. I would advise you to never, ever watch any sketch by monty python and to never watch any episode of south park or family guy, because each of these shows make fun of any and all religions, handicaps and handicapped people, jews, the holocaust, hitler, etc. I also fail to see how anyone can be insulted by anything that does not personally affect them. Some of us aren't incredibly selfish and self-centered, so we care about others around us. On the topic of satire, that's the point of things like Monty Python, South Park, etc. It's satire. One of the biggest and most public stages in the entire world for video games is not. Hell, even if those shows just started throwing out racial or homophobic slurs with no context to make it satirical, they would get blasted by everyone, even moreso than they are now for being offensive. You started out calling us self centered and selfish, claiming we don't care about anyone around us. If you can't force the other side to agree with your position alienate them, criminalize them, and dehumanize them to create a moral highground. Classic. Come on man, we're better than this. It was a freaking joke. If they want to come into the gaming world they're going to have to grow some thicker skin because guess what, when people are being competitive they're going to trash talk. That's just the nature of competitive activities. Freaking out because someone said "It'll be over soon, don't worry" when they are absolutely destroying someone in a fighting game is one of the most inane, petty things I've ever seen whined about on an internet forum. Everyone is going to be offended by something. Trying to never offend anyone ever is a pointless goal. So we might as well just sit back and try to freaking enjoy ourselves a bit instead of throwing a shitfit over every little thing that offends us. I'm all for internet free speech. If you're going to enter the world of the internet and dealing with the private individual, you're going to have to deal with nastiness, just like in everyday life. However, gamers have to come to a realization as well. If they want gaming to become socially acceptable in a serious manner, they need to stop hiding behind this excuse, stop acting like 13-year-olds, and actually push those that represent the gaming community to be respectable. This doesn't mean pushing everyone to be politically correct, but merely holding those accountable that represent us, and that includes major developers like Sony and Microsoft. Also, I was responding to the claim that "you shouldn't be offended by anything that doesn't affect you." I'm not black. I'm not homosexual. However, if I see someone around me being blatantly racist or homophobic to someone who is either of these things, I'll give them a smackdown (either literally or verbally), because I believe in tolerance, empathy, and human dignity (and no, tolerance does not extend to tolerating intolerance. That is a bullshit argument put forth by morons who don't have any other way to hide their racism/sexism/homophobia/etc). Holy fuck, stop. There is absolutely nothing to what the guy was saying on the stage other than that the beatdown would "be over soon" This thread is giving me cancer. OMGOSH DID I SAY CANCER? IM SO INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE WITH CANCER. Pretty much this. The only reason people think it was a rape comment is because people typically associate being beat hard in a video game to being "raped". The "it'll all be over soon" can be used for other things... such as when you are sick and want to hold back from throwing up. People sometimes say that to you so that you let it out. It isnt a direct rape comment, it is only viewed by some that way because she was getting destroyed (or in old gamer culture: raped). Good God, does that comment make me feel old. On June 12 2013 04:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 04:05 squanzo wrote:On June 12 2013 04:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:50 Fruscainte wrote:On June 12 2013 03:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:14 maartendq wrote:On June 12 2013 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 12 2013 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
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'Social dynamics'
Did you mean the social dynamics of rape comments or the social dynamics of mindlessly joining in when someone is being beaten down? The social dynamics of rape comments, how offensive they actually are outside of our little gaming world, and how incredibly sexist the gaming world actually is. Rape jokes are absolutely unacceptable anywhere else in society, and so gamers need to accept that when you are on a massively covered stage like E3, you don't just get to make rape jokes like you do on your couch with your buddies or behind the safety of your anonymous gamer tag online. I would advise you to never, ever watch any sketch by monty python and to never watch any episode of south park or family guy, because each of these shows make fun of any and all religions, handicaps and handicapped people, jews, the holocaust, hitler, etc. I also fail to see how anyone can be insulted by anything that does not personally affect them. Some of us aren't incredibly selfish and self-centered, so we care about others around us. On the topic of satire, that's the point of things like Monty Python, South Park, etc. It's satire. One of the biggest and most public stages in the entire world for video games is not. Hell, even if those shows just started throwing out racial or homophobic slurs with no context to make it satirical, they would get blasted by everyone, even moreso than they are now for being offensive. You started out calling us self centered and selfish, claiming we don't care about anyone around us. If you can't force the other side to agree with your position alienate them, criminalize them, and dehumanize them to create a moral highground. Classic. Come on man, we're better than this. It was a freaking joke. If they want to come into the gaming world they're going to have to grow some thicker skin because guess what, when people are being competitive they're going to trash talk. That's just the nature of competitive activities. Freaking out because someone said "It'll be over soon, don't worry" when they are absolutely destroying someone in a fighting game is one of the most inane, petty things I've ever seen whined about on an internet forum. Everyone is going to be offended by something. Trying to never offend anyone ever is a pointless goal. So we might as well just sit back and try to freaking enjoy ourselves a bit instead of throwing a shitfit over every little thing that offends us. I'm all for internet free speech. If you're going to enter the world of the internet and dealing with the private individual, you're going to have to deal with nastiness, just like in everyday life. However, gamers have to come to a realization as well. If they want gaming to become socially acceptable in a serious manner, they need to stop hiding behind this excuse, stop acting like 13-year-olds, and actually push those that represent the gaming community to be respectable. This doesn't mean pushing everyone to be politically correct, but merely holding those accountable that represent us, and that includes major developers like Sony and Microsoft. Also, I was responding to the claim that "you shouldn't be offended by anything that doesn't affect you." I'm not black. I'm not homosexual. However, if I see someone around me being blatantly racist or homophobic to someone who is either of these things, I'll give them a smackdown (either literally or verbally), because I believe in tolerance, empathy, and human dignity (and no, tolerance does not extend to tolerating intolerance. That is a bullshit argument put forth by morons who don't have any other way to hide their racism/sexism/homophobia/etc). Holy fuck, stop. There is absolutely nothing to what the guy was saying on the stage other than that the beatdown would "be over soon" This thread is giving me cancer. OMGOSH DID I SAY CANCER? IM SO INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE WITH CANCER. It's fun and all to be able to act like an adolescent and pretend that "nothing is offensive unless you make it offensive", "people just overreact", and "people need to get thicker skin", but in the real world, with adults, where certain phrases in a number of contexts have certain offensive connotations, and when they immediately draw a shocked response from the audience, it's pretty obvious that you said the wrong thing. Pretty much this. The only reason people think it was a rape comment is because people typically associate being beat hard in a video game to being "raped". The "it'll all be over soon" can be used for other things... such as when you are sick and want to hold back from throwing up. People sometimes say that to you so that you let it out. It isnt a direct rape comment, it is only viewed by some that way because she was getting destroyed (or in old gamer culture: raped). What you describe is called context, and you need to be aware of it to operate in society. The phrase can be used in any situation in which it is currently bad, but will be better later. That is the context. Rape is ONLY involved if people understand the culture of gamers back when "oh dude you are getting RAPED" was used. These are the ONLY people that will take it in the rape fashion. Gamer culture is highly criticized on the very fact that rape is a commonly used word. This context was -A male facing a female -In a video game -Where he was very handily winning the game by physically beating her up (in the game) -Several stereotypical or semi-sexist comments were made before it -He then uses a phrase that, while it is used in many places, it is also commonly associated with sexual abuse The context was ripe for the interpretation, and the crowd audibly responded and acknowledged that it was a rather out-of-place comment. If you want to argue that gamers shouldn't have to be politically correct, then fine (I think that's ridiculous but go ahead and argue that), but to say that there isn't even an issue to discuss here is simply ridiculous. It was clearly in a context that made it entirely plausible to interpret it offensively.
It could be interpreted that way, sure. But there are always multiple interpretations and it is up to the person to decide which it is. If trash talk is related to rape, that is up to the person who has been cultured to believe that. If you ask a 50 year old what was meant there, they would not think of rape. When I saw it, as a gamer that experienced all of the comments about rape back in the day (I havent heard it used recently, but I mostly play with pretty mature people that dont say stuff like that), I STILL didnt have "rape" pop into my head.
I am not arguing about PC or not, people get to do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesnt hurt other people. It is their choice, not mine.
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I think the best part of this forum is that there are 127 pages of replies in this thread about the Xbox One and not even a thread for the PS4
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On June 12 2013 04:32 Hitch-22 wrote:
I think the best part of this forum is that there are 127 pages of replies in this thread about the Xbox One and not even a thread for the PS4
Well the PS4 didn't really change all that much from the PS3. There's not a whole lot to say except to compare them to the massive fuck uppery that is the Xbox One.
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I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".
Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.
If your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem.
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On June 12 2013 04:34 Djzapz wrote:
I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".
Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.
Just because your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem.
It just proves people can be offended by anything if you let them think to far into it... It's like white guilt towards racism.
Some feminist wrote an article on it as if, the fact he was beating her at a video game, his comments suggested raping.
(this doesn't even go into the fact after the twitch part she comes back and destroys him, the script was completely set up and it was bantering...) If anything, the fact they assume this, empowers the concept of rape in video games. I haven't heard "You're getting raped" in a really long time and this is one of the few times its been even remotely brought up.
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It certainly isn't something to get too worked up over, but in the context of scripting out a gaming-advertising sequence meant for the E3 stage, best to check for possibly deleterious unintended interpretations and opt for safer bets.
Rape jokes are alive and well in CS:GO though, that much I can say.
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On June 12 2013 04:14 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:10 takingbackoj wrote:On June 12 2013 03:57 Caphe wrote:On June 12 2013 03:38 takingbackoj wrote:
Extremely good post Blisse and Stratos. I don't own MS or sony stock. I have owned every PS and Xbox since they came out and will buy both of them this time around. I have no horse in this race, but as I explained before, MS is trying to appeal to the broader audience. As Blisse pointed out, Sony did an excellent job at jumping aboard the internet rage train against MS and kudos to them for it but MS is going after people that didn't even care enough to watch E3. They are going after people with a little disposable income that are looking for something to enhance their entertainment centers and play a few good games.
Now with that being said, I don't think MS alienated gamers in the long run, they just didn't do them any favors either. Its not like Nintendo who after putting out the best system of its time with the 64, started a gradual downslide from the gamecube on in reference to games. MS will still have very good games that gamers will want to play.
Again, as Blisse pointed out MS is going to have to, and in a position to, really distance itself with exclusive content whether it be games, DLC, or non-gaming related features. Also, they need to do a better job explaining the positives of always online (yes there are some positives). If you think about it, always online gives some incredible options if they decide to use it properly game wise. Also, if the Live/PSN discrepancy still exists, that is still a huge positive to Xbox.
All in all, Xbox is far from dead. They took a large pr hit but they aren't dead. Their target audience probably didn't even watch E3. They know Xbox, they like the way Xbox feels and plays online, they like the extra features, and they are willing to spend the extra dough.
In my eyes, PS4 took a big lead, but I intended on buying them both as usual and nothing changed my mind about it. They will both have great games, they will both have their value but the thing about Xbox is, they have the cash and the infrastructure, with the always online deal and added features, to really amp up the experience in new ways for hardcore gamers and casual gamers alike. If MS can sit down and say "yeah we are more costly and yeah you have to always be online, but we are going to make it worth your while", if they can be innovative enough, the ceiling is higher imo for Xbox One than PS4. Many more possibilities for Xbox. Yeah, Xbox One is not dead. It just put itself far behind from the PS4 just like PS3 did in 2006. Problem here is PS3 was actually a stronger system in term of hardware back then, but they was one year late to the party and comes with a Cell structure that scare alot of devs early on. In the end, PS3 still have the same sales as Xbox360 worldwide(and will beat Xbox360 total sales in the future) despite the fact that they are one year late. XboxOne got the US but PS3 has some of it as well while Xbox360 has nothing on Asia. XboxOne now is in a much worse position than PS3 was in 2006. It is a weaker system, higher price, require online connection and non install base of Xbox 360 in Asia. I would take a lot of effort for the Xbox360 to come back. Only hardcore fanboy will buy the Xbox at this point while event at its strongest moment Xbox360 just can't sweep PS3 out of US(Sony sold nearly 30 millions PS3 in NA) Let's say that its true that their target audiences don't even watch E3. But if history teach us anything, it has teach us people buying console basing on its release date and price. PS2 was the king but with PS3 one year late in NA and come with a hefty price, people turn to Xbox360. Now that the XboxOne is $100 more expensive and comes out around the same time as PS4, people will go for the PS4. Also, this is 2013, with all that social media available, I really doubt that people that looking to buy a new console will hear nothing about that happened at E3. XboxOne is not dead but they would need a miracle to coming back if things stay as it is 'till release. MS needs to do something big and fast before release to actually has a chance to fight with Sony. I agree with your overall premise. Xbox is in a rough spot, but I wouldn't take it to the extreme. It depends on what you mean by "actually has a chance to fight with Sony." If you mean outsell then sure, if you mean, like others seem to suggest, it will die an embarrassing death and flop, then no. It will do well enough but probably struggle early on due to poor PR and the restrictions going into it. But like I said, they have a higher ceiling than PS4 with everything taken into account. If they can take those negatives (always online, price difference, non-gaming features) and use them to actually improve the gaming experience then they will have a solid chance, down the road, to be extremely competitive with the PS4. The problem is that 1) I don't see how the XB1 has that much more potential than the PS4, which has better hardware, and 2) I don't think it's possible for MS to turn those negatives into positives in the near future. Society just isn't at the point where widespread "always online", a hefty cost, and constant DRM can be accessible or affordable. The "better community" line is sketchy at best, since plenty of games have fantastic communities and community experiences without being this restricting.
Well this is how I look at the always online situation. MS has done a terrible job PR wise with it and as it stands, their hasn't been any reason to believe they will do it right other than the built up trust (which has taken a substantial hit in the last few months) I and many others have had with Xbox. But being able to update your games automatically when you arent even using the system will be a small plus. I could see always online being a decent weapon against hacks and piracy.
But the big thing for me is the possibilities it could bring to gameplay itself. Think of an online community where you could interact with players in some way without them being online. Or how about your character still operating while you aren't playing. When you come back to the game, the world you are in has changed, maybe you have more items or whatever. That has been referenced briefly a couple of times but I think they have done a poor job in really pressing that issue. That alone allows a ton of potential for new, and amazing ways to enjoy games, potential that PS4 doesn't have without it always being online.
The always online and the added features give Xbox that edge potential wise. Whether they take advantage of that or not will be the real story here. Hardware wise, they most likely wont be noticeably different so while I feel by costing more, Xbox should be better in that respect, its not a big deal.
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On June 12 2013 04:39 farvacola wrote:
It certainly isn't something to get too worked up over, but in the context of scripting out a gaming-advertising sequence meant for the E3 stage, best to check for possibly deleterious unintended interpretations and opt for safer bets.
Rape jokes are alive and well in CS:GO though, that much I can say.
Yes they are... I haven't been playing for months because of rampant hacking in competitive matches, is that still going on?
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On June 12 2013 03:58 Integra wrote:
I still don't understand what market MS is aiming at with Xbox One. It should be the casual market but it's too expensive, both WII U and PS4 beats it there now. They can't really market it to the hardcore gamer either since PS4 has better hardware and less bullshit related to consumer rights. Maybe it's more expensive that gives it the edge? I have no freaking clue anymore.
Probably families, kids (who influence their parents), casual gamers that don't care much about the online restrictions and used game issues. I can see many people that are not avid gamers be convinced by the whole "all-in-one-entertainment-center" thing they are trying to sell. At the end of the day I doubt that the 24-hour internet check and restrictions on used games sales will decide who wins the console wars. Sure Microsoft have a lot of catching up to do in the pr department but it's far from a slam dunk at this point as a lot of things can happen. Personally I see the price point as the biggest problem for Microsoft atm but depending on how much they can sell Xone's additional features it might work out.
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On June 12 2013 04:43 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 03:58 Integra wrote:
I still don't understand what market MS is aiming at with Xbox One. It should be the casual market but it's too expensive, both WII U and PS4 beats it there now. They can't really market it to the hardcore gamer either since PS4 has better hardware and less bullshit related to consumer rights. Maybe it's more expensive that gives it the edge? I have no freaking clue anymore. Probably families, kids (who influence their parents), casual gamers that don't care much about the online restrictions and used game issues. I can see many people that are not avid gamers be convinced by the whole "all-in-one-entertainment-center" thing they are trying to sell. At the end of the day I doubt that the 24-hour internet check and restrictions on used games sales will decide who wins the console wars. Sure Microsoft have a lot of catching up to do in the pr department but it's far from a slam dunk at this point as a lot of things can happen. Personally I see the price point as the biggest problem for Microsoft atm but depending on how much they can sell Xone's additional features it might work out.
Yeah I don't understand how they can appeal to families or casual gamers with a higher price point. And it's not an all in one entertainment center. You still need your cable box and subscription to watch TV. And you still have to pay for Live Gold if you want Netflix or Hulu.
PS4 doesn't bother with TV because it wouldn't be able to add anything your DVR box doesn't already do. And you can still use Netflix and Hulu without paying for PSN+.
I guess it will appeal to people who basically want Jarvis in their living room. Which might be more people than we think.
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All I can say is that I remember when everyone said the PS3 was going to blow the Xbox 360 out of the water, it had blue ray, free subscription, better hardware and a reasonable price... That didn't end to well with its initial launches being horrendous games (E3 made them look equally as amazing as these E3 games did) with a few exclusions and generally worse porting graphics from 360 to PS3. In fact, other then Uncharted and Last of Us (which were relatively late bloomers) the graphical difference between a 360 games and PS3 games were relatively negligible (especially ports which, as a dual owner, I felt much more aesthetically pleased by the 360 then the ps3)
And here we are today saying the same thing in the next generation of consoles.
I think everyone's overreacting way to much for this. I'm fairly confident MS will out due expectations since the bar is so low : P
Not that it matters, I save my scraps of change well enough to be able to afford both so I'll get by finding out which is better; imo I still think the reason I like Xbox more is the controller, a Playstation controller is just so non-ergonomic forcing both thumbs in a vertical line rather then your hands naturally falling over the controller (which I find in the Xbox controller).
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On June 12 2013 04:47 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:43 nihlon wrote:On June 12 2013 03:58 Integra wrote:
I still don't understand what market MS is aiming at with Xbox One. It should be the casual market but it's too expensive, both WII U and PS4 beats it there now. They can't really market it to the hardcore gamer either since PS4 has better hardware and less bullshit related to consumer rights. Maybe it's more expensive that gives it the edge? I have no freaking clue anymore. Probably families, kids (who influence their parents), casual gamers that don't care much about the online restrictions and used game issues. I can see many people that are not avid gamers be convinced by the whole "all-in-one-entertainment-center" thing they are trying to sell. At the end of the day I doubt that the 24-hour internet check and restrictions on used games sales will decide who wins the console wars. Sure Microsoft have a lot of catching up to do in the pr department but it's far from a slam dunk at this point as a lot of things can happen. Personally I see the price point as the biggest problem for Microsoft atm but depending on how much they can sell Xone's additional features it might work out. Yeah I don't understand how they can appeal to families or casual gamers with a higher price point. And it's not an all in one entertainment center. You still need your cable box and subscription to watch TV. And you still have to pay for Live Gold if you want Netflix or Hulu. PS4 doesn't bother with TV because it wouldn't be able to add anything your DVR box doesn't already do. And you can still use Netflix and Hulu without paying for PSN+. I guess it will appeal to people who basically want Jarvis in their living room. Which might be more people than we think.
What are this TV thing people talking about on XboxOne? I though Netflix and Hulu are the TV things? Those are free to use on PS3(of you need to play Netflix) but you need to pay MS in order to use Netflix.
I don't see that is casual friendly.
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On June 12 2013 04:34 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:32 Hitch-22 wrote:
I think the best part of this forum is that there are 127 pages of replies in this thread about the Xbox One and not even a thread for the PS4
Well the PS4 didn't really change all that much from the PS3. There's not a whole lot to say except to compare them to the massive fuck uppery that is the Xbox One.
It has the best console hardware specs around and it fixed the fuck-up that was the PS3. That's all they needed.
All I can say is that I remember when everyone said the PS3 was going to blow the Xbox 360 out of the water, it had blue ray, free subscription, better hardware and a reasonable price... That didn't end to well with its initial launches being horrendous games (E3 made them look equally as amazing as these E3 games did) with a few exclusions and generally worse porting graphics from 360 to PS3. In fact, other then Uncharted and Last of Us (which were relatively late bloomers) the graphical difference between a 360 games and PS3 games were relatively negligible (especially ports which, as a dual owner, I felt much more aesthetically pleased by the 360 then the ps3)
And here we are today saying the same thing in the next generation of consoles.
I think everyone's overreacting way to much for this. I'm fairly confident MS will out due expectations.
Did you live in an alternate universe? Because all I heard when the PS3 was released was universal criticism about no backwards compatibility, the terrible game lineup, and the incredibly steep price tag.
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PS3 at release looked like hell, it's not comparable.
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On June 12 2013 04:36 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:34 Djzapz wrote:
I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".
Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.
Just because your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem. It just proves people can be offended by anything if you let them think to far into it... It's like white guilt towards racism. Some feminist wrote an article on it as if, the fact he was beating her at a video game, his comments suggested raping. (this doesn't even go into the fact after the twitch part she comes back and destroys him, the script was completely set up and it was bantering...) If anything, the fact they assume this, empowers the concept of rape in video games. I haven't heard "You're getting raped" in a really long time and this is one of the few times its been even remotely brought up.
that's silly. take context out of the equation. you're telling me if you walked up to a woman you knew even, and out of the clear blue sky said 'just let it happen, it'll all be over soon' it isn't clearly a rape reference?
okay, now put the context of a guy playing a game with a girl and beating her while she admits helplessness.
Microsoft has since claimed it was unscripted and apologized for his mistake. it's not something crazy people are reading into it.
edit: missed the S on she oops
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On June 12 2013 05:01 Gene wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 04:36 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 12 2013 04:34 Djzapz wrote:
I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".
Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.
Just because your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem. It just proves people can be offended by anything if you let them think to far into it... It's like white guilt towards racism. Some feminist wrote an article on it as if, the fact he was beating her at a video game, his comments suggested raping. (this doesn't even go into the fact after the twitch part she comes back and destroys him, the script was completely set up and it was bantering...) If anything, the fact they assume this, empowers the concept of rape in video games. I haven't heard "You're getting raped" in a really long time and this is one of the few times its been even remotely brought up. that's silly. take context out of the equation. you're telling me if you walked up to a woman you knew even, and out of the clear blue sky said 'just let it happen, it'll all be over soon' it isn't clearly a rape reference? okay, now put the context of a guy playing a game with a girl and beating her while she admits helplessness. Microsoft has since claimed it was unscripted and apologized for his mistake. it's not something crazy people are reading into it. edit: missed the S on she oops
It's literally something I could have said with no intention of suggesting anything rape-related. I could have said that with rape not even crossing my mind.
That said, your bullshit about "walking up to a woman under a clear blue sky" is pitiful and pathetic. Bring back the context because we're adults here, we don't look at things in a vacuum when context is important. You're PLAYING A GAME with somebody that you know and you tell them "just let it happen it'll all be over soon", it's just a way to tell them to capitulate, which is only tied to rape because people read into things. That phrasing was used for rape, and now idiots think it's all it can be used for. Are you that shallow?
I've been criticizing Microsoft at every turn but this is some of the most disgusting nitpicking that shows no fucking class.
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On June 12 2013 00:13 takingbackoj wrote:
Despite what the over dramatic gamer crowd wants to believe, the truth is, Xbox will be fine. PS4 did a much better job of focusing on the gamer crowd, but Xbox one's target isn't the people who watched E3. They have focused on people who will see the applications of Xbox outside of gaming and say "man, those features are pretty cool and I can play some games on it." They have decided, it seems, to play the middle ground between PS4 and WiiU and trying to attract a broader audience while unlike Nintendo, also still putting out quality games and intergrating their extra features into the everyday entertainment of most people.
It will most likely work and all of this Xbone lost the war stuff will look even more dumb after release. Again, neither will die, they will both do fine.
Imo you underestimate how strong the spreading of news and general disgust can be. When the average/casual crowd will ask their gamer friend if they should go Xb or Ps, they'll get most likely a strong answer for Ps. Contrary to right now where its very debatable which system someone should get.
And as for the super casual market that don't ask anyone before buying... yeah they already have their wii and won't throw 500$ for something that don't really interest them. An example of this is the Wii U.
I think XBone will do as well as the Wii U to be honest (unless things change drasticly until the end of the year), getting sells from fans or people wanting the next gimmicky stuff. Sure, it will sell machines and it won't die instantly but Sony will probably get a larger part of the market no doubt.
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On June 12 2013 04:32 Hitch-22 wrote:
I think the best part of this forum is that there are 127 pages of replies in this thread about the Xbox One and not even a thread for the PS4
It wouldn't be much of a discussion if everyone just replied with "great console"
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