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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9639 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:17:01
June 11 2013 20:14 GMT
#2541
On June 12 2013 05:07 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:01 Gene wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:36 Hitch-22 wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:34 Djzapz wrote:
I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".

Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.

Just because your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem.


It just proves people can be offended by anything if you let them think to far into it... It's like white guilt towards racism.

Some feminist wrote an article on it as if, the fact he was beating her at a video game, his comments suggested raping.
(this doesn't even go into the fact after the twitch part she comes back and destroys him, the script was completely set up and it was bantering...) If anything, the fact they assume this, empowers the concept of rape in video games. I haven't heard "You're getting raped" in a really long time and this is one of the few times its been even remotely brought up.


that's silly. take context out of the equation. you're telling me if you walked up to a woman you knew even, and out of the clear blue sky said 'just let it happen, it'll all be over soon' it isn't clearly a rape reference?

okay, now put the context of a guy playing a game with a girl and beating her while she admits helplessness.

Microsoft has since claimed it was unscripted and apologized for his mistake. it's not something crazy people are reading into it.

edit: missed the S on she oops

It's literally something I could have said with no intention of suggesting anything rape-related. I could have said that with rape not even crossing my mind.

That said, your bullshit about "walking up to a woman under a clear blue sky" is pitiful and pathetic. Bring back the context because we're adults here, we don't look at things in a vacuum when context is important. You're PLAYING A GAME with somebody that you know and you tell them "just let it happen it'll all be over soon", it's just a way to tell them to capitulate, which is only tied to rape because people read into things. That phrasing was used for rape, and now idiots think it's all it can be used for. Are you that shallow?

I've been criticizing Microsoft at every turn but this is some of the most disgusting nitpicking that shows no fucking class.


I'm not the one that suggested context was or wasn't a factor. it was a simple refute to the idea that its ONLY a rape reference due to context. calm your tits and read it all over again. try to relax on your personal attacks. did you stop for a moment to consider that maybe it IS a rape reference, but the truth of rape culture has actually made it something you can apply to other things freely and dissociatively? probably not. maybe that's not the case and you're right, but in the context of this debate it's something you should spend a
minute or two considering to do everyone some justice.

I'm not sure which part of any of it was nitpicking so I can't quite say anything to that point.

also stop being an asshole. please.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 11 2013 20:14 GMT
#2542
On June 12 2013 05:07 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:01 Gene wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:36 Hitch-22 wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:34 Djzapz wrote:
I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".

Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.

Just because your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem.


It just proves people can be offended by anything if you let them think to far into it... It's like white guilt towards racism.

Some feminist wrote an article on it as if, the fact he was beating her at a video game, his comments suggested raping.
(this doesn't even go into the fact after the twitch part she comes back and destroys him, the script was completely set up and it was bantering...) If anything, the fact they assume this, empowers the concept of rape in video games. I haven't heard "You're getting raped" in a really long time and this is one of the few times its been even remotely brought up.


that's silly. take context out of the equation. you're telling me if you walked up to a woman you knew even, and out of the clear blue sky said 'just let it happen, it'll all be over soon' it isn't clearly a rape reference?

okay, now put the context of a guy playing a game with a girl and beating her while she admits helplessness.

Microsoft has since claimed it was unscripted and apologized for his mistake. it's not something crazy people are reading into it.

edit: missed the S on she oops

It's literally something I could have said with no intention of suggesting anything rape-related. I could have said that with rape not even crossing my mind.


When you say words out loud that communicate something other than your intent, you're bad at communicating (or lying I suppose). And the fact that you have to clarify your personal definition of a rape reference, means that you already acknowledge that is is a rape reference to most people. Your mind is not the be-all-end-all of what people think. Part of participating in society is understanding that people aren't mind readers and when you refuse to craft what you say based on how it will be perceived you're going to have a really hard time participating in conversations.
#2throwed
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
June 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#2543
On June 12 2013 05:12 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 04:32 Hitch-22 wrote:
I think the best part of this forum is that there are 127 pages of replies in this thread about the Xbox One and not even a thread for the PS4



It wouldn't be much of a discussion if everyone just replied with "great console"


Thread should be renamed PS4 vs XBone.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
June 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#2544
On June 12 2013 05:07 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:01 Gene wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:36 Hitch-22 wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:34 Djzapz wrote:
I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".

Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.

Just because your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem.


It just proves people can be offended by anything if you let them think to far into it... It's like white guilt towards racism.

Some feminist wrote an article on it as if, the fact he was beating her at a video game, his comments suggested raping.
(this doesn't even go into the fact after the twitch part she comes back and destroys him, the script was completely set up and it was bantering...) If anything, the fact they assume this, empowers the concept of rape in video games. I haven't heard "You're getting raped" in a really long time and this is one of the few times its been even remotely brought up.


that's silly. take context out of the equation. you're telling me if you walked up to a woman you knew even, and out of the clear blue sky said 'just let it happen, it'll all be over soon' it isn't clearly a rape reference?

okay, now put the context of a guy playing a game with a girl and beating her while she admits helplessness.

Microsoft has since claimed it was unscripted and apologized for his mistake. it's not something crazy people are reading into it.

edit: missed the S on she oops

It's literally something I could have said with no intention of suggesting anything rape-related. I could have said that with rape not even crossing my mind.

That said, your bullshit about "walking up to a woman under a clear blue sky" is pitiful and pathetic. Bring back the context because we're adults here, we don't look at things in a vacuum when context is important. You're PLAYING A GAME with somebody that you know and you tell them "just let it happen it'll all be over soon", it's just a way to tell them to capitulate, which is only tied to rape because people read into things. That phrasing was used for rape, and now idiots think it's all it can be used for. Are you that shallow?

I've been criticizing Microsoft at every turn but this is some of the most disgusting nitpicking that shows no fucking class.


The delayed reaction was interesting. First the comment, then an hour or two later some tweets, then an article about said tweets, and then all of a sudden its an issue.

Its almost as if someone is orchestrating this reaction, and the witless drama freaks are just too easily taken in by it.

Almost
RIP Meatloaf <3
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:24:01
June 11 2013 20:19 GMT
#2545
I think it's funny that we're in a world where apparently it's a bad thing to innocently say things that are immediately interpreted into something they're not. It's kind of funny to hear old people talk for that reason... because strangely they make penis jokes all the time and they don't even notice. And I apparently am at risk of making rape references by using perfectly clean language, telling someone to capitulate, because at some point in a movie or something, someone said "let it happen it'll all be over soon" in relation to rape.

And rape is so god damn powerful that it ruined that sentence for everybody. Because you let the concept of rape take it from you....

And I'm bad at communicating because YOU hear dick jokes when old people talk about big sausages. What I see is an upside down world where idiots make the rules. Some people think Charlie Chaplin was a nazi because he had the same mustache as Adolf Hitler.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
June 11 2013 20:21 GMT
#2546
On June 12 2013 04:49 Hitch-22 wrote:
All I can say is that I remember when everyone said the PS3 was going to blow the Xbox 360 out of the water, it had blue ray, free subscription, better hardware and a reasonable price... That didn't end to well with its initial launches being horrendous games (E3 made them look equally as amazing as these E3 games did) with a few exclusions and generally worse porting graphics from 360 to PS3. In fact, other then Uncharted and Last of Us (which were relatively late bloomers) the graphical difference between a 360 games and PS3 games were relatively negligible (especially ports which, as a dual owner, I felt much more aesthetically pleased by the 360 then the ps3)

And here we are today saying the same thing in the next generation of consoles.

I think everyone's overreacting way to much for this. I'm fairly confident MS will out due expectations since the bar is so low : P

Not that it matters, I save my scraps of change well enough to be able to afford both so I'll get by finding out which is better; imo I still think the reason I like Xbox more is the controller, a Playstation controller is just so non-ergonomic forcing both thumbs in a vertical line rather then your hands naturally falling over the controller (which I find in the Xbox controller).


Wat?

PS3 vs X360 was a tossup. PS3 argued it had better hardware, which it technically does... it is just really hard to use.
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was undecided. X360 still had that option, but bluray won which tremendously helped Sony. If HD-DVD won the PS3 was sunk.
PSN was brand new and untested, xboxlive was already established
The price of the PS3 was "reasonable" (purely because of all of the technology) and still way more than the 360. PS3 was $499/$599. X360 was $299/$399.

People also highly criticized the Sony conference about all kinds of things. "RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACERRR" and "giant enemy crab" ring a bell?
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9639 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:28:21
June 11 2013 20:26 GMT
#2547
withdrawn, wrong place for a rape argument.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 11 2013 20:28 GMT
#2548
On June 12 2013 05:21 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 04:49 Hitch-22 wrote:
All I can say is that I remember when everyone said the PS3 was going to blow the Xbox 360 out of the water, it had blue ray, free subscription, better hardware and a reasonable price... That didn't end to well with its initial launches being horrendous games (E3 made them look equally as amazing as these E3 games did) with a few exclusions and generally worse porting graphics from 360 to PS3. In fact, other then Uncharted and Last of Us (which were relatively late bloomers) the graphical difference between a 360 games and PS3 games were relatively negligible (especially ports which, as a dual owner, I felt much more aesthetically pleased by the 360 then the ps3)

And here we are today saying the same thing in the next generation of consoles.

I think everyone's overreacting way to much for this. I'm fairly confident MS will out due expectations since the bar is so low : P

Not that it matters, I save my scraps of change well enough to be able to afford both so I'll get by finding out which is better; imo I still think the reason I like Xbox more is the controller, a Playstation controller is just so non-ergonomic forcing both thumbs in a vertical line rather then your hands naturally falling over the controller (which I find in the Xbox controller).


Wat?

PS3 vs X360 was a tossup. PS3 argued it had better hardware, which it technically does... it is just really hard to use.
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was undecided. X360 still had that option, but bluray won which tremendously helped Sony. If HD-DVD won the PS3 was sunk.
PSN was brand new and untested, xboxlive was already established
The price of the PS3 was "reasonable" (purely because of all of the technology) and still way more than the 360. PS3 was $499/$599. X360 was $299/$399.

People also highly criticized the Sony conference about all kinds of things. "RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACERRR" and "giant enemy crab" ring a bell?

Yeah, you forgot to mention PS3 also almost one year late after Xbox 360.
Sony was the king after PS2, they were too confident and blew it.
Microsoft is not the king at this gen(Nintendo is), Sony are now selling more PS3 than MS sell Xbox360.

If even the King can fail that hard, just wonder how hard will MS fail next-gen.
Terran
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:28:57
June 11 2013 20:28 GMT
#2549
On June 12 2013 05:26 Gene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:19 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's funny that we're in a world where apparently it's a bad thing to innocently say things that are immediately interpreted into something they're not. It's kind of funny to hear old people talk for that reason... because strangely they make penis jokes all the time and they don't even notice. And I apparently am at risk of making rape references by using perfectly clean language, telling someone to capitulate, because at some point in a movie or something, someone said "let it happen it'll all be over soon" in relation to rape.

And rape is so god damn powerful that it ruined that sentence for everybody. Because you let the concept of rape take it from you....

And I'm bad at communicating because YOU hear dick jokes when old people talk about big sausages. What I see is an upside down world where idiots make the rules. Some people think Charlie Chaplin was a nazi because he had the same mustache as Adolf Hitler.

you're really cementing the rape culture argument with 'because you let the concept of rape take it from you.'
your words are seeming to imply that we actually take rape too seriously, and frankly it's embarrassing.

I think it's all in your head because you let it get to you and you make shitty interpretations of words that are in concordance to your life view.

If I innocently said those words without having ever implied rape I'd unjustly be viewed as a sexist because of little stories that take place in your mind.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:34:12
June 11 2013 20:29 GMT
#2550
On June 12 2013 05:01 Gene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 04:36 Hitch-22 wrote:
On June 12 2013 04:34 Djzapz wrote:
I don't understand why "let it happen it'll be over soon" is a rape joke. I understand that it can be said in the context of rape but that's the kind of thing I could have said in reference to a beatdown of any kind. If I'm just dominating someone at a game, to me it's the equivalent of saying "just give up".

Find some legitimate things to complain about guys.

Just because your twisted mind goes to "rape" at the slightest tickle, maybe you're the problem.


It just proves people can be offended by anything if you let them think to far into it... It's like white guilt towards racism.

Some feminist wrote an article on it as if, the fact he was beating her at a video game, his comments suggested raping.
(this doesn't even go into the fact after the twitch part she comes back and destroys him, the script was completely set up and it was bantering...) If anything, the fact they assume this, empowers the concept of rape in video games. I haven't heard "You're getting raped" in a really long time and this is one of the few times its been even remotely brought up.


that's silly. take context out of the equation. you're telling me if you walked up to a woman you knew even, and out of the clear blue sky said 'just let it happen, it'll all be over soon' it isn't clearly a rape reference?

okay, now put the context of a guy playing a game with a girl and beating her while she admits helplessness.

Microsoft has since claimed it was unscripted and apologized for his mistake. it's not something crazy people are reading into it.

edit: missed the S on she oops


... If I walked up to a woman and asked her to let it happen, she'd then question "let what happen".

Man you have a serious issue of some sort... That was a horrendous attempt at an example. He's beating someone, she's losing, it's no more then a taunt. What if he said "let it finish" "let it end" is that now also rape context?

This rape culture thing is real, no doubt there, but it's not helping anyone by imagining situations are rape related when they're not... Two coworkers at a fucking press conference with a script; don't you think the woman who was palying would have said something if she thought, even the slightest, it was sexist? What about the game producer? Anyhting? Who would blatantly attempt to write or show off a scripted sexist comment.

You're wrong, flat out and unrefutably, but you're either to dense or to commited to the idea that every comment from a gamer must have some relation to rape if its "dominating women" as if this is the trend to take a look at the context. Next time I walk by a woman I'm going to ask her "let it happen" to see the effect, you should try to because the answer will be "what?" with a confused face.

Horrendous post, example and opinion.

EDIT: Can you link where microsoft stated it wasn't scripted?

And also it's kind of funny that we're all now prepared to believe microsoft saying it wasn't scripted, when saving face, because it backs our own opinions that it was a sexist comment BUT when they make other claims whether it be cloud, used games or subscription fees it's complete and utter bullshit and lies, it'll never work.

If I was microsoft I'd burn the guy to and say it wasn't scripted. Even unscripted it doesn't matter, I have failed to see a single competent argument made to show it was in anyway sexist or rape related...
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:31:07
June 11 2013 20:30 GMT
#2551
On June 12 2013 05:26 Gene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:19 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's funny that we're in a world where apparently it's a bad thing to innocently say things that are immediately interpreted into something they're not. It's kind of funny to hear old people talk for that reason... because strangely they make penis jokes all the time and they don't even notice. And I apparently am at risk of making rape references by using perfectly clean language, telling someone to capitulate, because at some point in a movie or something, someone said "let it happen it'll all be over soon" in relation to rape.

And rape is so god damn powerful that it ruined that sentence for everybody. Because you let the concept of rape take it from you....

And I'm bad at communicating because YOU hear dick jokes when old people talk about big sausages. What I see is an upside down world where idiots make the rules. Some people think Charlie Chaplin was a nazi because he had the same mustache as Adolf Hitler.

you're really cementing the rape culture argument with 'because you let the concept of rape take it from you.'
your words are seeming to imply that we actually take rape too seriously, and frankly it's embarrassing.


I disagree. What he is saying is that the comment had nothing to do with rape. People are SO oversensitive to rape (and yes, i fully believe that although rape is one of the worst things that can happen to someone, if not the worst, you CAN
be oversensitive) that they see it everywhere, even where there is no reference.
If you are happy for rape to dominate every discussion you ever have, because you have to constantly dance your language around it, then go for it. Personally for me, life's too short.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 11 2013 20:31 GMT
#2552
On June 12 2013 05:19 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's funny that we're in a world where apparently it's a bad thing to innocently say things that are immediately interpreted into something they're not. It's kind of funny to hear old people talk for that reason... because strangely they make penis jokes all the time and they don't even notice. And I apparently am at risk of making rape references by using perfectly clean language, telling someone to capitulate, because at some point in a movie or something, someone said "let it happen it'll all be over soon" in relation to rape.

And rape is so god damn powerful that it ruined that sentence for everybody. Because you let the concept of rape take it from you....

And I'm bad at communicating because YOU hear dick jokes when old people talk about big sausages. What I see is an upside down world where idiots make the rules. Some people think Charlie Chaplin was a nazi because he had the same mustache as Adolf Hitler.


1. There's nothing innocent about rape. Penises can be innocent so your comparison is like...really really bad. People react badly to the perception of a rape joke but not to the perception of a penis joke because one is violent and the other is not.

2. "You let the concept of rape take that sentence from you!" No. I just live in a world where I don't feel entitled to spout off every thought with any phrasing I want. That sentence wasn't "taken" from me and it wasn't "taken" from you either. Both of us can still freely use it. What you're whining about is the power to be interpreted any way you want, which is a power none of us ever had. You're whining because you can't completely divorce meaning from words and just have people read your mind whenever you speak.

3. If you're legitimately trying to tell me about sausages but you keep using phrasing appropriate for a dick joke...then yeah you are really bad at communicating. Is it so hard for you to understand that people can't read your mind?

What I see is an idiot who is upset that the world expects him to actually think before he speaks and doesn't like it when he just mouths off without hesitation. Sure you're allowed to do that. But we're also allowed to call you an insensitive asshole and not invite you to our parties.
#2throwed
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:36:12
June 11 2013 20:32 GMT
#2553
Oh my god I just saw the Killer Instinct video that is making a debate. This is blown out way out of proportions here this is ridiculous.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9829 Posts
June 11 2013 20:33 GMT
#2554
On June 12 2013 05:32 rezoacken wrote:
Oh my god I just saw the Killer Instinct video that is making a debate. This is blown out way of proportions here this is ridiculous.

proportion is not welcome here dude.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 20:39:18
June 11 2013 20:36 GMT
#2555
On June 12 2013 05:32 rezoacken wrote:
Oh my god I just saw the Killer Instinct video that is making a debate. This is blown out way of proportions here this is ridiculous.


Let's be serious here rezo... Did you not hear his 2-3 comments? He was obviously insinuating a rape scenario against a fellow coworker at a live press conference with little regard for his job. It's the only possible scenario; soon rape culture will be synonymous with how terrorism is used... Is there terrorism? Yes, is there rape culture? Yes but can both be overexaggerated? Absolutely as we see here and sadly in most places.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
June 11 2013 20:38 GMT
#2556
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays.
dude bro.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 21:00:31
June 11 2013 20:40 GMT
#2557
On June 12 2013 05:31 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:19 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's funny that we're in a world where apparently it's a bad thing to innocently say things that are immediately interpreted into something they're not. It's kind of funny to hear old people talk for that reason... because strangely they make penis jokes all the time and they don't even notice. And I apparently am at risk of making rape references by using perfectly clean language, telling someone to capitulate, because at some point in a movie or something, someone said "let it happen it'll all be over soon" in relation to rape.

And rape is so god damn powerful that it ruined that sentence for everybody. Because you let the concept of rape take it from you....

And I'm bad at communicating because YOU hear dick jokes when old people talk about big sausages. What I see is an upside down world where idiots make the rules. Some people think Charlie Chaplin was a nazi because he had the same mustache as Adolf Hitler.


1. There's nothing innocent about rape. Penises can be innocent so your comparison is like...really really bad. People react badly to the perception of a rape joke but not to the perception of a penis joke because one is violent and the other is not.

I never said that rape is innocent and the fact that you made that comment, IMO, completely discredits everything you say.
What I said is that phrases which suggest "rape" to you but aren't necessarily related to rape CAN be innocent.

Example: I say "just let it happen, it'll all be over soon", without the slightest bit of intention of suggesting rape. Those words can spontaneously be said by someone who have never heard it being used in reference to rape.

Do I need to explain to you why I wasn't sayiing "rape is innocent". You're so disgustingly disingenuous...

2. "You let the concept of rape take that sentence from you!" No. I just live in a world where I don't feel entitled to spout off every thought with any phrasing I want. That sentence wasn't "taken" from me and it wasn't "taken" from you either. Both of us can still freely use it. What you're whining about is the power to be interpreted any way you want, which is a power none of us ever had. You're whining because you can't completely divorce meaning from words and just have people read your mind whenever you speak.

I just think that's pathetic, sorry. "I'm not entitled to spout off every thought with any phrasing I want". Before I say something, I have to process it to make sure I couldn't be misinterpreted by Nancy and he sick mind.

3. If you're legitimately trying to tell me about sausages but you keep using phrasing appropriate for a dick joke...then yeah you are really bad at communicating. Is it so hard for you to understand that people can't read your mind?

Not a problem of mine... but not long ago I told a friend "if you're having problems with your equipment..." and it was clearly a dick joke to him when it really didn't occur to me in that one occasion. Sometimes I say things and it occurs to me that it clearly could be viewed as an innuendo, but other times, people say things and they don't realize. Sometimes, they literally DON'T KNOW that there's some kind of obscure meaning that's attached to the phrasing.

What I see is an idiot who is upset that the world expects him to actually think before he speaks and doesn't like it when he just mouths off without hesitation. Sure you're allowed to do that. But we're also allowed to call you an insensitive asshole and not invite you to our parties.

Yeah I'm an idiot, good work.
Also I don't party with people who think I'm an insensitive asshole, what kind of lame parties you must have... Probably monocle-wearing suits with top hats and you write everything down and read it three times and cross reference online to make sure you won't offend John's 4th cousin on his father's side.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 11 2013 20:40 GMT
#2558
On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays.

I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 11 2013 20:45 GMT
#2559
On June 12 2013 05:40 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:31 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 12 2013 05:19 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's funny that we're in a world where apparently it's a bad thing to innocently say things that are immediately interpreted into something they're not. It's kind of funny to hear old people talk for that reason... because strangely they make penis jokes all the time and they don't even notice. And I apparently am at risk of making rape references by using perfectly clean language, telling someone to capitulate, because at some point in a movie or something, someone said "let it happen it'll all be over soon" in relation to rape.

And rape is so god damn powerful that it ruined that sentence for everybody. Because you let the concept of rape take it from you....

And I'm bad at communicating because YOU hear dick jokes when old people talk about big sausages. What I see is an upside down world where idiots make the rules. Some people think Charlie Chaplin was a nazi because he had the same mustache as Adolf Hitler.


1. There's nothing innocent about rape. Penises can be innocent so your comparison is like...really really bad. People react badly to the perception of a rape joke but not to the perception of a penis joke because one is violent and the other is not.

I never said that rape is innocent and the fact that you made that comment, IMO, completely discredits everything you say.
What I said is that phrases which suggest "rape" to you but aren't necessarily related to rape CAN be innocent.

Example: I say "just let it happen, it'll all be over soon", without the slightest bit of intention of suggesting rape. Those words can spontaneously be said by someone who have never heard it being used in reference to rape.

Do I need to explain to you why I wasn't said "rape is innocent". You're so disgustingly disingenuous when you suggest that I said "rape is innocent", what the hell is wrong with you.

Show nested quote +
2. "You let the concept of rape take that sentence from you!" No. I just live in a world where I don't feel entitled to spout off every thought with any phrasing I want. That sentence wasn't "taken" from me and it wasn't "taken" from you either. Both of us can still freely use it. What you're whining about is the power to be interpreted any way you want, which is a power none of us ever had. You're whining because you can't completely divorce meaning from words and just have people read your mind whenever you speak.

I just think that's pathetic, sorry. "I'm not entitled to spout off every thought with any phrasing I want". Before I say something, I have to process it to make sure I couldn't be misinterpreted by Nancy and he sick mind.

Show nested quote +
3. If you're legitimately trying to tell me about sausages but you keep using phrasing appropriate for a dick joke...then yeah you are really bad at communicating. Is it so hard for you to understand that people can't read your mind?

Not a problem of mine... but not long ago I told a friend "if you're having problems with your equipment..." and it was clearly a dick joke to him when it really didn't occur to me in that one occasion. Sometimes I say things and it occurs to me that it clearly could be viewed as an innuendo, but other times, people say things and they don't realize. Sometimes, they literally DON'T KNOW that there's some kind of obscure meaning that's attached to the phrasing.

Show nested quote +
What I see is an idiot who is upset that the world expects him to actually think before he speaks and doesn't like it when he just mouths off without hesitation. Sure you're allowed to do that. But we're also allowed to call you an insensitive asshole and not invite you to our parties.

Yeah I'm an idiot, good work.
Also I don't party with people who think I'm an insensitive asshole, what kind of lame parties you must have... Probably monocle-wearing suits with top hats and you write everything down and read it three times and cross reference online to make sure you won't offend John's 4th cousin on his father's side.


You're still completely hung up on the fact that words aren't blank slates that you get to define every time you speak. We're not going to convince each other here on a forum so let's just agree to disagree and get back to the topic at hand. The effing travesty that is this overpriced cable box peripheral.
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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
June 11 2013 20:45 GMT
#2560
On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays.

I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is.


I guess if the girl had said "I own you !" after beating him, it means she's racist.
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