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On June 12 2013 05:28 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:21 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 12 2013 04:49 Hitch-22 wrote:
All I can say is that I remember when everyone said the PS3 was going to blow the Xbox 360 out of the water, it had blue ray, free subscription, better hardware and a reasonable price... That didn't end to well with its initial launches being horrendous games (E3 made them look equally as amazing as these E3 games did) with a few exclusions and generally worse porting graphics from 360 to PS3. In fact, other then Uncharted and Last of Us (which were relatively late bloomers) the graphical difference between a 360 games and PS3 games were relatively negligible (especially ports which, as a dual owner, I felt much more aesthetically pleased by the 360 then the ps3)
And here we are today saying the same thing in the next generation of consoles.
I think everyone's overreacting way to much for this. I'm fairly confident MS will out due expectations since the bar is so low : P
Not that it matters, I save my scraps of change well enough to be able to afford both so I'll get by finding out which is better; imo I still think the reason I like Xbox more is the controller, a Playstation controller is just so non-ergonomic forcing both thumbs in a vertical line rather then your hands naturally falling over the controller (which I find in the Xbox controller).
Wat? PS3 vs X360 was a tossup. PS3 argued it had better hardware, which it technically does... it is just really hard to use. Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was undecided. X360 still had that option, but bluray won which tremendously helped Sony. If HD-DVD won the PS3 was sunk. PSN was brand new and untested, xboxlive was already established The price of the PS3 was "reasonable" (purely because of all of the technology) and still way more than the 360. PS3 was $499/$599. X360 was $299/$399. People also highly criticized the Sony conference about all kinds of things. "RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACERRR" and "giant enemy crab" ring a bell? Yeah, you forgot to mention PS3 also almost one year late after Xbox 360. Sony was the king after PS2, they were too confident and blew it. Microsoft is not the king at this gen(Nintendo is), Sony are now selling more PS3 than MS sell Xbox360. If even the King can fail that hard, just wonder how hard will MS fail next-gen.
Very true.
Sony learnt their lesson after their release of PS3 which didn't go oh so well.
The titles that interest me was Titanfall,Destiny,KH3 and FFXV and MGSV.
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On June 12 2013 05:45 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays. I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is. I guess if the girl had said "I own you !" after beating him, it means she's racist.
A white person telling a black person in America that they own them...I know you think you're being clever and witty but you're actually giving a perfect example of why we should be careful with what we say.
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On June 12 2013 05:28 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:21 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 12 2013 04:49 Hitch-22 wrote:
All I can say is that I remember when everyone said the PS3 was going to blow the Xbox 360 out of the water, it had blue ray, free subscription, better hardware and a reasonable price... That didn't end to well with its initial launches being horrendous games (E3 made them look equally as amazing as these E3 games did) with a few exclusions and generally worse porting graphics from 360 to PS3. In fact, other then Uncharted and Last of Us (which were relatively late bloomers) the graphical difference between a 360 games and PS3 games were relatively negligible (especially ports which, as a dual owner, I felt much more aesthetically pleased by the 360 then the ps3)
And here we are today saying the same thing in the next generation of consoles.
I think everyone's overreacting way to much for this. I'm fairly confident MS will out due expectations since the bar is so low : P
Not that it matters, I save my scraps of change well enough to be able to afford both so I'll get by finding out which is better; imo I still think the reason I like Xbox more is the controller, a Playstation controller is just so non-ergonomic forcing both thumbs in a vertical line rather then your hands naturally falling over the controller (which I find in the Xbox controller).
Wat? PS3 vs X360 was a tossup. PS3 argued it had better hardware, which it technically does... it is just really hard to use. Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was undecided. X360 still had that option, but bluray won which tremendously helped Sony. If HD-DVD won the PS3 was sunk. PSN was brand new and untested, xboxlive was already established The price of the PS3 was "reasonable" (purely because of all of the technology) and still way more than the 360. PS3 was $499/$599. X360 was $299/$399. People also highly criticized the Sony conference about all kinds of things. "RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACERRR" and "giant enemy crab" ring a bell? Yeah, you forgot to mention PS3 also almost one year late after Xbox 360. Sony was the king after PS2, they were too confident and blew it. Microsoft is not the king at this gen(Nintendo is), Sony are now selling more PS3 than MS sell Xbox360. If even the King can fail that hard, just wonder how hard will MS fail next-gen.
Which is even more funny because this time xbone wont release until "late" 2014 in the gigantic asian market and havent even set a date for Japan.
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MS has never had particularly good market penetration in Asia, has it? Its wheelhouse has always been North America. Also, and correct me if I am wrong, but my recollection is that the Japanese console market has been shrinking considerably over the past few years (as in moreso than elsewhere).
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On June 12 2013 05:45 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays. I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is. I guess if the girl had said "I own you !" after beating him, it means she's racist.
Really? I thought she was making a joke towards how the woman owns a relationship with a man. Shit, I think you're closer though.
On June 12 2013 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:45 rezoacken wrote:On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays. I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is. I guess if the girl had said "I own you !" after beating him, it means she's racist. A white person telling a black person in America that they own them...I know you think you're being clever and witty but you're actually giving a perfect example of why we should be careful with what we say.
One hopes your joking...
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On June 12 2013 05:45 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:40 Djzapz wrote:On June 12 2013 05:31 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 05:19 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's funny that we're in a world where apparently it's a bad thing to innocently say things that are immediately interpreted into something they're not. It's kind of funny to hear old people talk for that reason... because strangely they make penis jokes all the time and they don't even notice. And I apparently am at risk of making rape references by using perfectly clean language, telling someone to capitulate, because at some point in a movie or something, someone said "let it happen it'll all be over soon" in relation to rape.
And rape is so god damn powerful that it ruined that sentence for everybody. Because you let the concept of rape take it from you....
And I'm bad at communicating because YOU hear dick jokes when old people talk about big sausages. What I see is an upside down world where idiots make the rules. Some people think Charlie Chaplin was a nazi because he had the same mustache as Adolf Hitler. 1. There's nothing innocent about rape. Penises can be innocent so your comparison is like...really really bad. People react badly to the perception of a rape joke but not to the perception of a penis joke because one is violent and the other is not. I never said that rape is innocent and the fact that you made that comment, IMO, completely discredits everything you say. What I said is that phrases which suggest "rape" to you but aren't necessarily related to rape CAN be innocent. Example: I say "just let it happen, it'll all be over soon", without the slightest bit of intention of suggesting rape. Those words can spontaneously be said by someone who have never heard it being used in reference to rape. Do I need to explain to you why I wasn't said "rape is innocent". You're so disgustingly disingenuous when you suggest that I said "rape is innocent", what the hell is wrong with you. 2. "You let the concept of rape take that sentence from you!" No. I just live in a world where I don't feel entitled to spout off every thought with any phrasing I want. That sentence wasn't "taken" from me and it wasn't "taken" from you either. Both of us can still freely use it. What you're whining about is the power to be interpreted any way you want, which is a power none of us ever had. You're whining because you can't completely divorce meaning from words and just have people read your mind whenever you speak. I just think that's pathetic, sorry. "I'm not entitled to spout off every thought with any phrasing I want". Before I say something, I have to process it to make sure I couldn't be misinterpreted by Nancy and he sick mind. 3. If you're legitimately trying to tell me about sausages but you keep using phrasing appropriate for a dick joke...then yeah you are really bad at communicating. Is it so hard for you to understand that people can't read your mind? Not a problem of mine... but not long ago I told a friend "if you're having problems with your equipment..." and it was clearly a dick joke to him when it really didn't occur to me in that one occasion. Sometimes I say things and it occurs to me that it clearly could be viewed as an innuendo, but other times, people say things and they don't realize. Sometimes, they literally DON'T KNOW that there's some kind of obscure meaning that's attached to the phrasing. What I see is an idiot who is upset that the world expects him to actually think before he speaks and doesn't like it when he just mouths off without hesitation. Sure you're allowed to do that. But we're also allowed to call you an insensitive asshole and not invite you to our parties. Yeah I'm an idiot, good work. Also I don't party with people who think I'm an insensitive asshole, what kind of lame parties you must have... Probably monocle-wearing suits with top hats and you write everything down and read it three times and cross reference online to make sure you won't offend John's 4th cousin on his father's side. You're still completely hung up on the fact that words aren't blank slates that you get to define every time you speak. We're not going to convince each other here on a forum so let's just agree to disagree and get back to the topic at hand. The effing travesty that is this overpriced cable box peripheral.
I responded, I'm not hung up on anything - and you made personal attack toward me. I do realize that sometimes specific wordings are closely tied to specific meanings, but in this case it's thin - I've said that phrase jokingly, I've heard it, and it never had nothing to do with rape to me. I realize that it has that little reputation going, but it's definitely not limited to it.
And yes I'm not too impressed with the Xbone
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On June 12 2013 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:45 rezoacken wrote:On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays. I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is. I guess if the girl had said "I own you !" after beating him, it means she's racist. A white person telling a black person in America that they own them...I know you think you're being clever and witty but you're actually giving a perfect example of why we should be careful with what we say.
Thanks for proving my point.
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On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays. I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is.
^. So many people here are BUTT HURT over nothing. Uh Oh.
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On June 12 2013 05:50 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 05:45 rezoacken wrote:On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays. I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is. I guess if the girl had said "I own you !" after beating him, it means she's racist. A white person telling a black person in America that they own them...I know you think you're being clever and witty but you're actually giving a perfect example of why we should be careful with what we say. Thanks for proving my point.
Unless he's trolling... Then he bested all of us, but I doubt he is and it's really sad.
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On June 12 2013 05:54 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:50 rezoacken wrote:On June 12 2013 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On June 12 2013 05:45 rezoacken wrote:On June 12 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:On June 12 2013 05:38 heliusx wrote:
It was innocent shit talk. Some of guys want to be PC so bad you allow it to overshadow your rationality. People want to be offended nowadays. I intentionally offend people sometimes just because I'm so sick of how PC everything is. I guess if the girl had said "I own you !" after beating him, it means she's racist. A white person telling a black person in America that they own them...I know you think you're being clever and witty but you're actually giving a perfect example of why we should be careful with what we say. Thanks for proving my point. Unless he's trolling... Then he bested all of us, but I doubt he is and it's really sad.
I hope for his sake.
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On June 12 2013 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
MS has never had particularly good market penetration in Asia, has it? Its wheelhouse has always been North America. Also, and correct me if I am wrong, but my recollection is that the Japanese console market has been shrinking considerably over the past few years (as in moreso than elsewhere).
I am not sure, but Japan still an very important market just after the US. Consoles gaming is the core Japan where PC gaming is like really small.
Xbox360 took US from PS2, US consumer opted for a cheaper Xbox360, I think they will just do it again and opt for PS4 this time. Fanboism really doesn't exist in large scale.
In the end, which product that has more value for the consumers money will win, and at this point it is the PS4. Microsoft still have more than enough time to fix what they messed up though.
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On June 12 2013 06:17 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
MS has never had particularly good market penetration in Asia, has it? Its wheelhouse has always been North America. Also, and correct me if I am wrong, but my recollection is that the Japanese console market has been shrinking considerably over the past few years (as in moreso than elsewhere). I am not sure, but Japan still an very important market just after the US. Consoles gaming is the core Japan where PC gaming is like really small. Xbox360 took US from PS2, US consumer opted for a cheaper Xbox360, I think they will just do it again and opt for PS4 this time. Fanboism really doesn't exist in large scale. In the end, which product that has more value for the consumers money will win, and at this point it is the PS4. Microsoft still have more than enough time to fix what they messed up though.
While Japan is not as important as a consumer market, it's still enormously important as a publisher market. If JP publishers show flat for xbone, and they would always focus on domestic costomers, MS would be in serious trouble.
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On June 12 2013 05:09 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 00:13 takingbackoj wrote:
Despite what the over dramatic gamer crowd wants to believe, the truth is, Xbox will be fine. PS4 did a much better job of focusing on the gamer crowd, but Xbox one's target isn't the people who watched E3. They have focused on people who will see the applications of Xbox outside of gaming and say "man, those features are pretty cool and I can play some games on it." They have decided, it seems, to play the middle ground between PS4 and WiiU and trying to attract a broader audience while unlike Nintendo, also still putting out quality games and intergrating their extra features into the everyday entertainment of most people.
It will most likely work and all of this Xbone lost the war stuff will look even more dumb after release. Again, neither will die, they will both do fine. Imo you underestimate how strong the spreading of news and general disgust can be. When the average/casual crowd will ask their gamer friend if they should go Xb or Ps, they'll get most likely a strong answer for Ps. Contrary to right now where its very debatable which system someone should get. And as for the super casual market that don't ask anyone before buying... yeah they already have their wii and won't throw 500$ for something that don't really interest them. An example of this is the Wii U. I think XBone will do as well as the Wii U to be honest (unless things change drasticly until the end of the year), getting sells from fans or people wanting the next gimmicky stuff. Sure, it will sell machines and it won't die instantly but Sony will probably get a larger part of the market no doubt.
I think some are over estimating the importance of the hardcore gamer crowd to Xbox Ones success. Its a gaming/entertainment system. They don't need every hardcore gamer to hop aboard. Does anyone here think MS thought this would go down well for them? Of course not, this doesn't surprise anyone. They knew the price of PS4, they knew the internet rage crowd would come out. They didn't care. I would assume they would love to get the hardcore gamers on board but they are also banking on the fact that it shouldn't be necessary.
Now thats not to say they have shunned gamers. They will have plenty of games. Unlike the comparison to the Wii, Xbox will have plenty for gamers to be interested in. Also unlike WiiU, the Xbox has features that will really add to non gaming related applications. Its not just a toys for tots situation like Wii is. The WiiU and Xbox One is a really bad comparison, they aren't similar in the least bit. Fact is, hardcore gamers aren't the only customers out there, hell they aren't even the biggest. So if they are annoyed by the features of Xbox One then they shouldn't buy it. My guess is MS isn't counting on your sales anyway. And thats fine. It's their business and they can run it how they want to. Good news is, after this over reaction dies down and we get more info, people will begin to see that its not so bad. PS4 got a huge boost yesterday, but Xbox will be fine.
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i thought this was interesting
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xbox one is bigger than ps3 vanilla...o.O
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only wider. if you compare by volume, ps3 fat is still the biggest.
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On June 12 2013 06:17 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
MS has never had particularly good market penetration in Asia, has it? Its wheelhouse has always been North America. Also, and correct me if I am wrong, but my recollection is that the Japanese console market has been shrinking considerably over the past few years (as in moreso than elsewhere). I am not sure, but Japan still an very important market just after the US. Consoles gaming is the core Japan where PC gaming is like really small. Xbox360 took US from PS2, US consumer opted for a cheaper Xbox360, I think they will just do it again and opt for PS4 this time. Fanboism really doesn't exist in large scale. In the end, which product that has more value for the consumers money will win, and at this point it is the PS4. Microsoft still have more than enough time to fix what they messed up though.
Japan is a Sony and Nintendo market. Partly because both consoles are Japanese, and partly because the Japanese game developers never choose XBox...unless it's cross-platform.
Microsoft will never dent the Japanese market, and I don't think they intend to try.
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On June 12 2013 07:36 caelym wrote:
only wider. if you compare by volume, ps3 fat is still the biggest.
you're right but i was excited as i never thought we'll see another to match its legendary magnitude.
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On June 12 2013 07:29 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 05:09 rezoacken wrote:On June 12 2013 00:13 takingbackoj wrote:
Despite what the over dramatic gamer crowd wants to believe, the truth is, Xbox will be fine. PS4 did a much better job of focusing on the gamer crowd, but Xbox one's target isn't the people who watched E3. They have focused on people who will see the applications of Xbox outside of gaming and say "man, those features are pretty cool and I can play some games on it." They have decided, it seems, to play the middle ground between PS4 and WiiU and trying to attract a broader audience while unlike Nintendo, also still putting out quality games and intergrating their extra features into the everyday entertainment of most people.
It will most likely work and all of this Xbone lost the war stuff will look even more dumb after release. Again, neither will die, they will both do fine. Imo you underestimate how strong the spreading of news and general disgust can be. When the average/casual crowd will ask their gamer friend if they should go Xb or Ps, they'll get most likely a strong answer for Ps. Contrary to right now where its very debatable which system someone should get. And as for the super casual market that don't ask anyone before buying... yeah they already have their wii and won't throw 500$ for something that don't really interest them. An example of this is the Wii U. I think XBone will do as well as the Wii U to be honest (unless things change drasticly until the end of the year), getting sells from fans or people wanting the next gimmicky stuff. Sure, it will sell machines and it won't die instantly but Sony will probably get a larger part of the market no doubt. I think some are over estimating the importance of the hardcore gamer crowd to Xbox Ones success. Its a gaming/entertainment system. They don't need every hardcore gamer to hop aboard. Does anyone here think MS thought this would go down well for them? Of course not, this doesn't surprise anyone. They knew the price of PS4, they knew the internet rage crowd would come out. They didn't care. I would assume they would love to get the hardcore gamers on board but they are also banking on the fact that it shouldn't be necessary. Now thats not to say they have shunned gamers. They will have plenty of games. Unlike the comparison to the Wii, Xbox will have plenty for gamers to be interested in. Also unlike WiiU, the Xbox has features that will really add to non gaming related applications. Its not just a toys for tots situation like Wii is. The WiiU and Xbox One is a really bad comparison, they aren't similar in the least bit. Fact is, hardcore gamers aren't the only customers out there, hell they aren't even the biggest. So if they are annoyed by the features of Xbox One then they shouldn't buy it. My guess is MS isn't counting on your sales anyway. And thats fine. It's their business and they can run it how they want to. Good news is, after this over reaction dies down and we get more info, people will begin to see that its not so bad. PS4 got a huge boost yesterday, but Xbox will be fine.
I agree with most of what you said. The two consoles have slightly different intentions. Xbox wants to be your sole media hub in the living room (as evidenced by the massive connectivity as well as the HDMI input which the PS4 doesn't have). I actually kind of expect the sales to not be overly lopsided oneway or the other when all is said and done. There will be a lot of brand loyalty still at play here I would guess...
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On June 12 2013 07:32 jinorazi wrote:i thought this was interesting + Show Spoiler +xbox one is bigger than ps3 vanilla...o.O
Anyone else impressed over that someone actually got not only the length of the console but also width and height with a decimal accuracy by only measuring the USB port, he even got it in inches and centimeters.
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Im most excited for how close we are to console brand names not mattering and the "war" coming down to which console has which games. When developers start siding with either company and exclusive rights being bought up itll be fun to see new/unique games coming out to define either console.
Also i hope one day they will just merge both online worlds into one entity. Could possibly hurt sales for either or but it would be fun to play the same multiplatform games across the net against someone on the other platform.
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