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Nore
New Zealand128 Posts
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:02 Eventine wrote: Is that legitimate copies of the games or from emulators? Its both, unsure of why it matters......any game ive got a rom of that I dont have a physical copy of on hand is because i sold my copy long ago and I can't find another one that isn't unreasonably priced or no vintage stock/internet store has them. Which how does any of this equate to your original proclamation about controllers being better then k/m on pcs? Considering you can plug the controller into the PC? Or are you now trying to back pedal and turn this into an argument about exclusives which I can then turn around and point to Roms/Emulators(if you want to feel all "high and mighty" and have the cartridge on hand then buy them and transform them into roms yourself, still doesn't change the fact they aren't as exclusive as you make them out to be). On June 11 2013 06:06 Nore wrote: Where is the discusion about the xbox one ? This is it, we're debating the pros and cons of owning a xbone versus a pc since they basically made the xbone a shitty pc. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:04 sc14s wrote: i bricked my first ps1 when i was like 13 trying to install the chip to allow me to play pirated ps1 games t.t i did that to my xbox trying to install a chip XD the ps1 didnt need a chip to pirate, load normal disc to boot up, swap out copy disc when loading at dark ps screen, after a few loads, load back in original, when the ps screen fades, load the copy cd back in, play pirated games  it had a simple version with pro action replay that you can plug in the back oh and, turning it upside down! who can forget the upside down ps1 to "fix it" | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:08 FromShouri wrote: This is it, we're debating the pros and cons of owning a xbone versus a pc since they basically made the xbone a shitty pc. I think the "plugging your controllers into your PC" argument is kind of weak because even if you're playing the exact same game on PC and it looked the same, it's still a vastly different experience. For one, MP with friends on PC pretty much always needs multiple hardware and multiple copies of the game because except for some indie platformers/shoot-em-ups, nobody does split-screen for the PC with multiple peripheral support. As Stratos_spear said, the multiplayer/social gaming aspect of the console is it's major advantage, and MS kind of fucked with that a bit with their approach to the Xbone. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:04 Djzapz wrote: It's not predatory for Blizzard to make other versions of their games because they have literally no stakes in the sale of consoles. The reason why WoW and Blizzard's RTS's are not necessarily ported onto other devices is because it's not directly worth it for them. In fact, their games run on Mac which is more than most companies can say. Also RTSes don't do well on consoles. Are you not aware that consoles can use mouse and keyboard? Do you not know that a console is just a specialized gaming PC without modding ability? It has a cpu, a gpu, ram, storage, etc A ps3 can run a RTS just as well as any PC if they thought there was a market for it. | ||
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Eventine
United States307 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:08 FromShouri wrote: Its both, unsure of why it matters......any game ive got a rom of that I dont have a physical copy of on hand is because i sold my copy long ago and I can't find another one that isn't unreasonably priced or no vintage stock/internet store has them. Which how does any of this equate to your original proclamation about controllers being better then k/m on pcs? Considering you can plug the controller into the PC? Or are you now trying to back pedal and turn this into an argument about exclusives which I can then turn around and point to Roms/Emulators(if you want to feel all "high and mighty" and have the cartridge on hand then buy them and transform them into roms yourself, still doesn't change the fact they aren't as exclusive as you make them out to be). This is it, we're debating the pros and cons of owning a xbone versus a pc since they basically made the xbone a shitty pc. Calm down kid. I didn't write the original about controllers. I think using workarounds such as emulators do not belong in your argument. They are (from what I understand) illegal. People have different attitudes towards these. I prefer to purchase licensed copies and avoid using emulators. A few years back, I had a different attitude. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:13 TheYango wrote: I think the "plugging your controllers into your PC" argument is kind of weak because even if you're playing the exact same game on PC and it looked the same, it's still a vastly different experience. For one, MP with friends on PC pretty much always needs multiple hardware and multiple copies of the game because except for some indie platformers/shoot-em-ups, nobody does split-screen for the PC with multiple peripheral support. As Stratos_spear said, the multiplayer/social gaming aspect of the console is it's major advantage, and MS kind of fucked with that a bit with their approach to the Xbone. Sadly too few games do that even on consoles. Outside of fighting and racing games, I really struggled to find at least a couple of games that had fun multiplayer using one console (for the current generation of consoles). | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
It reminds me of being back at school when I was about 11. Console and PC markets don't really overlap. If you're at school and all your friends have an Xbox buying a PC is just stupid because then you're left out and can't chat with your friends. That's what it comes down to in the end. But then there's people (like me) who have to have a good PC anyway for work/other uses so I don't an Xbox. It's chalk and cheese really. | ||
BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:05 TheYango wrote: I'm actually pretty skeptical about the idea that a JRPG even plays better on consoles--it's at best even because JRPGs tend to not really depend heavily on the control scheme at all. That and I think Japanese ARPGs like Secret of Mana would play more smoothly with Diablo-like controls than with a controller, but that's just a hunch. It doesn't for me, I hated playing Fire Emblem on gamecube, and I skipped the Wii version despite having a Wii. I just like having those kinds of games on handheld. Just wish they would start releasing them as apps instead of as 3DS/Vita games  | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:13 TheYango wrote: I think the "plugging your controllers into your PC" argument is kind of weak because even if you're playing the exact same game on PC and it looked the same, it's still a vastly different experience. For one, MP with friends on PC pretty much always needs multiple hardware and multiple copies of the game because except for some indie platformers/shoot-em-ups, nobody does split-screen for the PC with multiple peripheral support. As Stratos_spear said, the multiplayer/social gaming aspect of the console is it's major advantage, and MS kind of fucked with that a bit with their approach to the Xbone. well to be fair here if games are multiplatform/emulated/ made for 2+ on one screen then you can just run a hdmi cable to your tv and achieve the same thing. i played sf4 & fifa on my tv in exactly the same way as i would on a xbox with my bud. same for trine , some old snes games you cant get anymore or were never released (damn secret of mana 2 and megaman x3 .. 200€..) its not a big step to make your steam pc into a super console when needed. /edit i realize its still a different crowd with different goals. but the options to enjoy your pc in almost the same way as a console are there and not exactly hard to get,setup or expensive (the xbox gamepads are the most expensive part if you go for the real ones) | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:13 TheYango wrote: I think the "plugging your controllers into your PC" argument is kind of weak because even if you're playing the exact same game on PC and it looked the same, it's still a vastly different experience. For one, MP with friends on PC pretty much always needs multiple hardware and multiple copies of the game because except for some indie platformers/shoot-em-ups, nobody does split-screen for the PC with multiple peripheral support. As Stratos_spear said, the multiplayer/social gaming aspect of the console is it's major advantage, and MS kind of fucked with that a bit with their approach to the Xbone. Ill concede half of the peripheral argument because yes, my current setup requires an extra monitor/keyboard/mouse. But I also will say paying $150 bucks to have 4 controllers on hand(3x50$ current xbox360/ps3 controller prices) can be just as bad. Sure you can just have the other person bring their controller but you can do that the same with their keyboard/mouse for my current setup. Also that you do need extra licenses for games if they don't have a spawning option(hello finally to sc2!) or that aren't f2p(which the market on the PC is infinitely better hands down). However my current PC can play 90% of games smoothly on med-high settings in 1080p/720p using a Virtual Machine for the secondary user(or depending on the older games without windowed mode, 2 vms, one for me and one for the other user), all the while having complete backwards compatibility with my software even as far back as 1994(hello D1!). Me and my wife or friend or who ever I am playing with, play together using only 1 PC and 2 monitors/2 sets of keyboards. Imo while being a bit pricier it is a way better experience. No longer is my HUD cluttered by their screen and vice versa. Not only that but I don't accidentally screen cheat since their screen is either above or below me in vs mode. Or the other bigger advantage, allowing 2 users to play 2 separate games on 1 pc. Many a night there has been that I played some sc2 or bw while my wife was playing D3. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:26 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: well to be fair here if games are multiplatform/emulated/ made for 2+ on one screen then you can just run a hdmi cable to your tv and achieve the same thing. i played sf4 & fifa on my tv in exactly the same way as i would on a xbox with my bud. same for trine , some old snes games you cant get anymore or were never released (damn secret of mana 2 and megaman x3 .. 200€..) its not a big step to make your steam pc into a super console when needed. Yes, but PC games retaining local multiplayer from the console version is the exception, and not the norm, at least when it comes to major titles (indie games it's probably like 50/50). On June 11 2013 06:27 FromShouri wrote: Ill concede half of the peripheral argument because yes, my current setup requires an extra monitor/keyboard/mouse. But I also will say paying $150 bucks to have 4 controllers on hand(3x50$ current xbox360/ps3 controller prices). Sure you can just have the other person bring their controller but you can do that the same with their keyboard/mouse for my current setup. Also that you do need extra licenses for games if they don't have a spawning option(hello finally to sc2!), however my current PC can play 90% of games smoothly on med-high settings in 1080p using a Virtual Machine for the secondary user(or depending on the older games without windowed mode, 2 vms for me and the other user). Me and my wife or friend or who ever I am playing with, play together using only 1 PC and 2 monitors/2 sets of keyboards. Imo while being a bit pricier it is a way better experience. No longer is my HUD cluttered by their screen and vice versa. Not only that but I don't accidentally screen cheat since their screen is either above or below me. Or the other bigger advantage, allowing 2 users to play 2 separate games on 1 pc. Many a night there has been that I played some sc2 or bw while my wife was playing D3. Isn't this the same discussion that was being had several pages ago with regard to someone reusing their PC parts to make a new PC? Yes for an experienced user who knows how to properly customize their PC gaming setup, the PC allows you more options by nature. But as a demographic the number of gamers who are actually proficient enough to do this is so small as to be irrelevant to the Xbone's commercial success. There are far bigger factors that should concern Microsoft. Plus "couch multiplayer" is still fundamentally a different social experience than 2 players sitting in front of different screens. | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
But yes the initial setup would probably scare most people even though its as easy as following a recipe. That said, maybe America should stop breeding stupid technologically inept people . | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:15 SafeAsCheese wrote: Are you not aware that consoles can use mouse and keyboard? Do you not know that a console is just a specialized gaming PC without modding ability? It has a cpu, a gpu, ram, storage, etc A ps3 can run a RTS just as well as any PC if they thought there was a market for it. No point in talking about it if it doesn't apply, is there? | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:25 Klive5ive wrote: These console/PC debates are just embarrassing. It reminds me of being back at school when I was about 11. Console and PC markets don't really overlap. If you're at school and all your friends have an Xbox buying a PC is just stupid because then you're left out and can't chat with your friends. That's what it comes down to in the end. But then there's people (like me) who have to have a good PC anyway for work/other uses so I don't an Xbox. It's chalk and cheese really. sure friends is a big pull as to what people are going to play.. but there is relevance to the arguments of pc/console who cares what age that it comes to be relevant. Also i don't recall ever really making a choice between the two anyways, i've always had a pc in my house since about the age of 5 and the same goes for consoles pretty much but i certainly always had preferences per genre. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
http://www.wptv.com/generic/money/Sony PS4 press conference at E3 live coverage | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-preorder-comes-with-special-controller-255915.phtml | ||
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Excludos
Norway8159 Posts
On June 11 2013 09:17 zoLo wrote: Pre order an Xbox One and receive a special edition controller and an exclusive achievement. http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-preorder-comes-with-special-controller-255915.phtml An ACHIEVEMENT?! Take my money! | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
TotalBiscuit's comedic redub of the Microsoft Press Conference. | ||
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