On May 25 2013 13:11 L3gendary wrote: No, he took a step and released his pivot, and then the ball left his hands. That's a travel, look it up. And I can't stress how much easier it is to blow past people if you don't have to put the ball down before the first step. Yeah it's the NBA and they go easy on everything in the final minute, but that's still a travel no matter how you slice it.
quote the NBA rulebook. I'll wait. Also I want to know how you define which is his pivot foot as he caught the ball and immediately did a 1 dribble layup.
Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot: The pivot foot shall not be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble.
There. Either foot can be the pivot in this case because it looks like he had both on the ground when he caught the ball. The left foot took a step, and the right foot was lifted before he let go of the ball.
edit: And if he only had the left foot on the ground when he caught it then he took a full step with his pivot before releasing the ball, so its a travel either way.
and when did Lebron come to a stop? He caught the ball and immediately made his move. Come on you clearly know how to read - stop stretching the definition.
I don't know where you got that from but you probably don't understand what traveling is or how a player establishes a pivot. You can't have a pivot foot if you catch the ball on the move but I'll leave this here.
Traveling: To start a dribble after establishing a pivot foot, the ball must be released from the player’s hand before his pivot foot leaves the floor or he has committed a traveling violation. A player who receives the ball while moving is allowed a two count rhythm but must release the ball prior to the third step touching the floor. When ending his dribble a player may use a two count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting. A player who fall s to the floor while holding the ball or while coming to a stop may not gain an advantage by rolling on the floor. A player who attempts a shot may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, rim or another player. If a player comes to a stop on the count of one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously, he may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he alights with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor. If a player has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, he may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor to shoot or pass it may not return until the ball is released. If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either return to the floor. When a player gathers the ball he may not step consecutively with the same foot, as in a hopping motion.
I put the part that is relative to Lebron's move in red. Read it carefully.
Worth a suspension IMO but it's Wade and the Heat so I doubt he'll see anything, not even a fine.
On May 25 2013 13:25 Ace wrote: I don't know where you got that from but you probably don't understand what traveling is or how a player establishes a pivot. You can't have a pivot foot if you catch the ball on the move but I'll leave this here.
Traveling: To start a dribble after establishing a pivot foot, the ball must be released from the player’s hand before his pivot foot leaves the floor or he has committed a traveling violation. A player who receives the ball while moving is allowed a two count rhythm but must release the ball prior to the third step touching the floor. When ending his dribble a player may use a two count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting. A player who fall s to the floor while holding the ball or while coming to a stop may not gain an advantage by rolling on the floor. A player who attempts a shot may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, rim or another player. If a player comes to a stop on the count of one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously, he may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he alights with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor. If a player has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, he may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor to shoot or pass it may not return until the ball is released. If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either return to the floor. When a player gathers the ball he may not step consecutively with the same foot, as in a hopping motion.
I put the part that is relative to Lebron's move in red. Read it carefully.
I don't even think we're on the same wavelength here. The red part in your text doesn't even relate to the situation here. That is at the end of play not before the dribble. Even if we assume Lebron was running and not stopped the rules are pretty clear
Art. 3. A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows: a. When both feet are off the playing court and the player lands: 1. Simultaneously on both feet, either may be the pivot foot; 2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch shall be the pivot foot; 3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both; neither foot can be the pivot foot.
And then lifting the pivot would be a travel. The 2 steps you get is at the end of the play and you must either pass or shoot at the end of it. You don't get 2 steps at the beginning and the end of a dribble.
Lebron never established a pivot because he caught the ball on the move. You can't have anything to pivot off of if you're moving. How can you not understand this? 1 dribble layups from the top of the key are taught in high school. That would mean everyone travels doing the move when it is widely known as perfectly legal - the move Lebron just did.
You can't take 2 steps prior to a dribble and then 2 steps at the end of the dribble. If you catch the ball on the move you get 2 steps before you have to release it. This is at the end of the play, and then you must either shoot or pass. You can't take 2 steps, begin dribbling, and then take another 2 steps at the end of the play.
But it seems like I'm the only one who actually plays basketball here, so I'm not gonna waste my time anymore.
On May 25 2013 13:46 L3gendary wrote: You can't take 2 steps prior to a dribble and then 2 steps at the end of the dribble. If you catch the ball on the move you get 3 steps before you have to release it. This is at the end of the play, and then you must either shoot or pass. You can't take 3 steps, begin dribbling, and then take another 2 steps at the end of the play.
But it seems like I'm the only one who actually plays basketball here, so I'm not gonna waste my time anymore.
Canadians don't play basketball...lets not get silly. Just kidding. On point however, are we really talking about a travel call in the NBA? There were much bigger points to discuss about the game than that... like Indiana's starting 5 +23 in 29 minutes together and all other lineups -19. If the Heat don't cut down on the turnovers and get better production from Allen and Battier they are in some serious trouble in this series.
Guys like PG, Harden, Kyrie, Wall, make me excited for the future of the NBA...considering they're all only a couple years into the NBA and so good already.
Here watch this educational video at :45s. Same play, the player is moving as he catches the ball. The first foot you put down is considered the pivot foot whether you are moving or not. These rules are the same everywhere (except in the last minute in the NBA apparently).
EPT
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