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On December 12 2020 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
I can understand when the hype is unreal and they feel let down. But being reasonable about this, the game, on PC, runs decently. The next gen versions that this game was designed for, runs decently. Sure, there are major issues to be fixed. And they will be. But I cannot understand why people harp, bitch and moan about something they didn't create. They have no skin in this besides 70$ or whatever. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose not to. Don't bitch to those who are trying to.
Not directed at you virpi or anyone in this thread. I've been reading and talking to a lot of people about this game. There shouldn't be any major issues to be fixed. When I buy any product, any service, for any price I expect there not to be any major issues to be fixed. Period. Food, clothes, transportation, utilities none of those should have major issues to be fixed. That extends to every gradient of luxury available, luxury food, entertainment, better forms of transportation. And consumer goods, like fridges, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, televisions, phones, internet service, tv service, landline service, I expect all those to operate without major issues to be fixed when paying for that good or service. Why make an exception for video games? I haven't created any of those, but if I pay for something I expect that there are no major issues to be fixed. If to create was the signifier to be able to expect that there will be no major issues, then 99.9% of everything anybody buys will be below expectation. Perhaps 100% for most people as most people are but cogs in a machine of one product or service. Tell me, what have you created? Then compare that to what you have purchased with your money? Would any of those items come with major issues to be fixed? I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism.
And if a company has a reputation for releasing games in a buggy state what do you do when they release a new game?
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I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism.
The problem isn't highlighting issues, it's blowing them out of proportion. The game certainly has issues, every game does. I haven't had a single one in the last 10 years that didn't have issues in the beginning. A floating gun here, or a T posed NPC somewhere aren't major issues.
The two major issues the game has/had is the epilepsy thing, that absolutely should not have happened - but doesn't matter to most gamers anyway (3.4mil people worldwide are epileptic). Nonetheless, a very stupid mistake that clearly shouldn't have happened - was solved within 24 hours.
The other issue is in regards to poor peoples hardware. The game should've never been released on PS4 or Xbox whatever the "non-pro" version of that is. I assume suits wanted it there, didn't go great.
That's it. That's the two "big issues" with the game. Everything else is blown way out of proportion and reminds me of a Karen screeching for the manager because the soup was "too hot". Of course a floating gun here and a time traveling chop stick there shouldn't be ignored, but to call this "an issue" is just stupid.
To be clear: hardware requirements aren't an "issue" either. I can play in 1440p ultra (mirrors to med) perfectly fine, on a 3700x/2080. Yeah i can't turn on raytracing without sacrificing frames, but that's okay - my GPU is what now, 2 years old (and wasn't/isn't a top spec card either), i don't expect it to run everything maxed out at 144fps.
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In regards to the game, there's one thing i'm missing. Really good music. The radio is just awful, although that's of course subjective.
What i do like, but sadly don't think there's enough of it in the game, is when it's raining and everything is greyed out, dark. I don't know if someone here remembers "Shadowrun" for the SNES? That's the vibe i'm getting in these situations, and i absolutely love it. I feel like Night City is a little too colourful for the most part.
That said, Shadowrun back in the day played mostly in my head/fantasy anyway, so there might be a slight disconnect there, 30 years worth of water down the river, i might remember it wrong lol. But that's the impression i got anyway.
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From the reviews my impression is that this is a mix of VtmB's atmosphere and characters, gta's open world set in deus ex-esque world with less politics. How close to the truth is that and how does it compare to these games/series?
That is an interesting take to say the least.
In opposition to this the general consensus seems to give them half a year for fix the biggest issues (bugs, crafting, economy, driving on keyboard or performance on console depending on what you play and perhaps flat RPG systems).
While this would be shitty for the dev's bonuses, it sends the right message for rushing games out and financially rewards continued support.
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Does anybody know if there are actual consequences for killing plebs ingame? I mean the riffraff around every corner, in every mission. I have fun stealthing around and choking out enemies, and I don't regret it one bit when shit hits the fan and I have to pull out my guns but when I do takedowns does it matter if I kill or just knock them out? Do they send hitsquads or something to avenge their gang members?
More/less loot? More/less XP?
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On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
This is also why "video gaming journalism" doesn't matter much. Personally, I want the very best journalists of my generation doing something other than covering sports and/or video games. If this means "video gaming journalism" is bad.. who cares.
Apparently, there is a shit-storm about some Cyberpunk high profile reviewer not playing through major parts of the game and still giving it a review score. Sure, that is bad if its true... but its no big deal.
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On December 12 2020 12:45 virpi wrote:
To me, Cyberpunk 2077 is a glorious mess. It's what happens when you go all in and realize that you're about to bet on your child's savings. It's utter madness. I've never seen a game so far above everything else when it comes to artistic vision. But they kind of forgot to make a game.
Remember: They started development BEFORE The Witcher 3 became a global phenomenon. Suddenly, they had money. And they decided to wing it. Now we see the result. I can't really put it in words...but this game makes me feel things. It resonates with me. But not as a game.
Pretty much sums up my feelings. I've only just started tbf so maybe I'll come back in a week with a different mindset. The artistic vision is unparalleled nevertheless.
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I love this scene it's like a mix of the movies Pusher, The Town, and Drive all mixed into one.
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On December 12 2020 23:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2020 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
I can understand when the hype is unreal and they feel let down. But being reasonable about this, the game, on PC, runs decently. The next gen versions that this game was designed for, runs decently. Sure, there are major issues to be fixed. And they will be. But I cannot understand why people harp, bitch and moan about something they didn't create. They have no skin in this besides 70$ or whatever. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose not to. Don't bitch to those who are trying to.
Not directed at you virpi or anyone in this thread. I've been reading and talking to a lot of people about this game. There shouldn't be any major issues to be fixed. When I buy any product, any service, for any price I expect there not to be any major issues to be fixed. Period. Food, clothes, transportation, utilities none of those should have major issues to be fixed. That extends to every gradient of luxury available, luxury food, entertainment, better forms of transportation. And consumer goods, like fridges, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, televisions, phones, internet service, tv service, landline service, I expect all those to operate without major issues to be fixed when paying for that good or service. Why make an exception for video games? I haven't created any of those, but if I pay for something I expect that there are no major issues to be fixed. If to create was the signifier to be able to expect that there will be no major issues, then 99.9% of everything anybody buys will be below expectation. Perhaps 100% for most people as most people are but cogs in a machine of one product or service. Tell me, what have you created? Then compare that to what you have purchased with your money? Would any of those items come with major issues to be fixed? I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism. And if a company has a reputation for releasing games in a buggy state what do you do when they release a new game?
Not pre-order? Wait a bit before buying the game? I mean, CDPR has that reputation so the smart thing to do is wait. No-one is forcing you to buy the game on launch day and play it.
On December 13 2020 00:08 m4ini wrote:
That's it. That's the two "big issues" with the game. Everything else is blown way out of proportion and reminds me of a Karen screeching for the manager because the soup was "too hot". Of course a floating gun here and a time traveling chop stick there shouldn't be ignored, but to call this "an issue" is just stupid.
Who's Karen and why is she screeching for the manager? Friend of yours?
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I said my piece. I didn't direct it at anyone. Hope you all enjoy the game when you can.
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On December 13 2020 02:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2020 23:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 12 2020 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
I can understand when the hype is unreal and they feel let down. But being reasonable about this, the game, on PC, runs decently. The next gen versions that this game was designed for, runs decently. Sure, there are major issues to be fixed. And they will be. But I cannot understand why people harp, bitch and moan about something they didn't create. They have no skin in this besides 70$ or whatever. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose not to. Don't bitch to those who are trying to.
Not directed at you virpi or anyone in this thread. I've been reading and talking to a lot of people about this game. There shouldn't be any major issues to be fixed. When I buy any product, any service, for any price I expect there not to be any major issues to be fixed. Period. Food, clothes, transportation, utilities none of those should have major issues to be fixed. That extends to every gradient of luxury available, luxury food, entertainment, better forms of transportation. And consumer goods, like fridges, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, televisions, phones, internet service, tv service, landline service, I expect all those to operate without major issues to be fixed when paying for that good or service. Why make an exception for video games? I haven't created any of those, but if I pay for something I expect that there are no major issues to be fixed. If to create was the signifier to be able to expect that there will be no major issues, then 99.9% of everything anybody buys will be below expectation. Perhaps 100% for most people as most people are but cogs in a machine of one product or service. Tell me, what have you created? Then compare that to what you have purchased with your money? Would any of those items come with major issues to be fixed? I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism. And if a company has a reputation for releasing games in a buggy state what do you do when they release a new game? Not pre-order? Wait a bit before buying the game? I mean, CDPR has that reputation so the smart thing to do is wait. No-one is forcing you to buy the game on launch day and play it. Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 00:08 m4ini wrote:
That's it. That's the two "big issues" with the game. Everything else is blown way out of proportion and reminds me of a Karen screeching for the manager because the soup was "too hot". Of course a floating gun here and a time traveling chop stick there shouldn't be ignored, but to call this "an issue" is just stupid.
Who's Karen and why is she screeching for the manager? Friend of yours?
That's what i mean. People had plenty of warning that this game would have issues on launch, like 10 years worth of warnings, but they preorder, demand the immediate release of the game and then complain.
It boggles the mind,
The game'll be cheap and fixed in a year,
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On December 13 2020 02:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 02:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 23:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 12 2020 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
I can understand when the hype is unreal and they feel let down. But being reasonable about this, the game, on PC, runs decently. The next gen versions that this game was designed for, runs decently. Sure, there are major issues to be fixed. And they will be. But I cannot understand why people harp, bitch and moan about something they didn't create. They have no skin in this besides 70$ or whatever. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose not to. Don't bitch to those who are trying to.
Not directed at you virpi or anyone in this thread. I've been reading and talking to a lot of people about this game. There shouldn't be any major issues to be fixed. When I buy any product, any service, for any price I expect there not to be any major issues to be fixed. Period. Food, clothes, transportation, utilities none of those should have major issues to be fixed. That extends to every gradient of luxury available, luxury food, entertainment, better forms of transportation. And consumer goods, like fridges, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, televisions, phones, internet service, tv service, landline service, I expect all those to operate without major issues to be fixed when paying for that good or service. Why make an exception for video games? I haven't created any of those, but if I pay for something I expect that there are no major issues to be fixed. If to create was the signifier to be able to expect that there will be no major issues, then 99.9% of everything anybody buys will be below expectation. Perhaps 100% for most people as most people are but cogs in a machine of one product or service. Tell me, what have you created? Then compare that to what you have purchased with your money? Would any of those items come with major issues to be fixed? I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism. And if a company has a reputation for releasing games in a buggy state what do you do when they release a new game? Not pre-order? Wait a bit before buying the game? I mean, CDPR has that reputation so the smart thing to do is wait. No-one is forcing you to buy the game on launch day and play it. On December 13 2020 00:08 m4ini wrote:
That's it. That's the two "big issues" with the game. Everything else is blown way out of proportion and reminds me of a Karen screeching for the manager because the soup was "too hot". Of course a floating gun here and a time traveling chop stick there shouldn't be ignored, but to call this "an issue" is just stupid.
Who's Karen and why is she screeching for the manager? Friend of yours? That's what i mean. People had plenty of warning that this game would have issues on launch, like 10 years worth of warnings, but they preorder, demand the immediate release of the game and then complain. It boggles the mind, The game'll be cheap and fixed in a year,
Maybe the base game but I'll be stunned if they don't announce a DLC/Expansion within 6 months time. Maybe sooner.
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I pre-ordered to help with the development. Not planning on playing the game within the next 3 months or so (maybe I'll wait a year).
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On December 13 2020 03:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 02:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 13 2020 02:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 23:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 12 2020 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
I can understand when the hype is unreal and they feel let down. But being reasonable about this, the game, on PC, runs decently. The next gen versions that this game was designed for, runs decently. Sure, there are major issues to be fixed. And they will be. But I cannot understand why people harp, bitch and moan about something they didn't create. They have no skin in this besides 70$ or whatever. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose not to. Don't bitch to those who are trying to.
Not directed at you virpi or anyone in this thread. I've been reading and talking to a lot of people about this game. There shouldn't be any major issues to be fixed. When I buy any product, any service, for any price I expect there not to be any major issues to be fixed. Period. Food, clothes, transportation, utilities none of those should have major issues to be fixed. That extends to every gradient of luxury available, luxury food, entertainment, better forms of transportation. And consumer goods, like fridges, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, televisions, phones, internet service, tv service, landline service, I expect all those to operate without major issues to be fixed when paying for that good or service. Why make an exception for video games? I haven't created any of those, but if I pay for something I expect that there are no major issues to be fixed. If to create was the signifier to be able to expect that there will be no major issues, then 99.9% of everything anybody buys will be below expectation. Perhaps 100% for most people as most people are but cogs in a machine of one product or service. Tell me, what have you created? Then compare that to what you have purchased with your money? Would any of those items come with major issues to be fixed? I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism. And if a company has a reputation for releasing games in a buggy state what do you do when they release a new game? Not pre-order? Wait a bit before buying the game? I mean, CDPR has that reputation so the smart thing to do is wait. No-one is forcing you to buy the game on launch day and play it. On December 13 2020 00:08 m4ini wrote:
That's it. That's the two "big issues" with the game. Everything else is blown way out of proportion and reminds me of a Karen screeching for the manager because the soup was "too hot". Of course a floating gun here and a time traveling chop stick there shouldn't be ignored, but to call this "an issue" is just stupid.
Who's Karen and why is she screeching for the manager? Friend of yours? That's what i mean. People had plenty of warning that this game would have issues on launch, like 10 years worth of warnings, but they preorder, demand the immediate release of the game and then complain. It boggles the mind, The game'll be cheap and fixed in a year, Maybe the base game but I'll be stunned if they don't announce a DLC/Expansion within 6 months time. Maybe sooner.
I think the first major DLC will be free. The expansions, maybe not so much. They'll have to get that good will back somehow.
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Let's have a look at some past open world game releases:
GTA 4: Buggy mess, terrible performance, hideous PC port. Decent story, wonky open world. Gets a pass, because it's so old.
Skyrim: Broken buggy mess with clunky UI, but amazing world. Bad AI (never was fixed), boring loot system. Great immersion, though. I've been modding Skyrim for years, I also made some mods myself. The deeper you go, the more broken it gets. It's kinda fascinating that this thing works at all.
GTA 5: To me, this is the biggest impostor of them all. It looks great. It feels okay. But it's utterly dumb. There's no quest design. It's "drive to A, watch cutscene, drive to B, shoot, watch cutscene / drive to C". Main story starts out great, but totally loses focus. I've never completed this game. Technically, the release version was fine, PC port was okay-ish.
The Witcher 3: Release version was riddled with bugs. Lots of glitches, terrible UI font. Bad performance all over the place, especially on consoles. Outstanding world design, good storytelling.
RDR2: Good game, especially for the console market. PC port was okay. Personally, I don't like the game, because I'm sick of Rockstar's mission design.
AC series since it went open world: No major bugs (unless you look at crossgen releases), mediocre perfomance, dull open world, boring quest design, monotonous combat. Basically, these games are tech demos.
Fallout 4: Terrible main quest, dumb dialogue system. The usual Bethesda glitchfest. Okay performance, because the engine is a billion years old.
Cyberpunk 2077: Great main story, good performance on PC, absolutely broken on old-gen consoles. Bad AI, lots of minor glitches. Balancing seems off. Simply unfinished, but great potential.
Conclusion:
Rockstar overall delivers the best products on release. I can't stand playing those games, but that's only my personal preference. Bethesda has been making the same game for 20 years now. Same goes for Ubisoft. CDPR are trying to be different, but they can't really make it work at release. They also kinda suck at designing game mechanics, e.g. the hacking in CP77: It looks cool, it feels cool. But it's one dimensional.
Open world games development is a nightmare. Rockstar manage to release somewhat working games, because they're tricking the player. The more freedom the player is supposed to have, the buggier it gets.
We're in the uncanny valley right now. Open world games have never felt closer to reality, but they're actually still just video games. The underlying mechanics are old, the core gameplay loop is simplistic. People expect to do stuff like in real life when they see a place like Night City. But what does that mean? More shitty mini games? Those always sucked in GTA. More "random encounters"? Please no.
In my opinion, open world game design is dumb as fuck. You're not walking into every random house in real life. You're also not talking to every person you meet on the street. Looting every nook and cranny also is pretty silly if you think about it. I want open world games to be driven by their stories. Their side quests. This is why CDPR's general design ideas appeal to me. But the "gamers" want something different, sadly. They saw CP77 and expected it to be some kind of sci-fi GTA, which it is not. CDPR should have ditched some of the badly implemented open world features. They should have gone for even LESS interactivity. Design an economy system that works. Make gigs / jobs matter more for V's wellbeing.
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On December 13 2020 03:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 02:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 13 2020 02:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 23:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 12 2020 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
I can understand when the hype is unreal and they feel let down. But being reasonable about this, the game, on PC, runs decently. The next gen versions that this game was designed for, runs decently. Sure, there are major issues to be fixed. And they will be. But I cannot understand why people harp, bitch and moan about something they didn't create. They have no skin in this besides 70$ or whatever. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose not to. Don't bitch to those who are trying to.
Not directed at you virpi or anyone in this thread. I've been reading and talking to a lot of people about this game. There shouldn't be any major issues to be fixed. When I buy any product, any service, for any price I expect there not to be any major issues to be fixed. Period. Food, clothes, transportation, utilities none of those should have major issues to be fixed. That extends to every gradient of luxury available, luxury food, entertainment, better forms of transportation. And consumer goods, like fridges, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, televisions, phones, internet service, tv service, landline service, I expect all those to operate without major issues to be fixed when paying for that good or service. Why make an exception for video games? I haven't created any of those, but if I pay for something I expect that there are no major issues to be fixed. If to create was the signifier to be able to expect that there will be no major issues, then 99.9% of everything anybody buys will be below expectation. Perhaps 100% for most people as most people are but cogs in a machine of one product or service. Tell me, what have you created? Then compare that to what you have purchased with your money? Would any of those items come with major issues to be fixed? I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism. And if a company has a reputation for releasing games in a buggy state what do you do when they release a new game? Not pre-order? Wait a bit before buying the game? I mean, CDPR has that reputation so the smart thing to do is wait. No-one is forcing you to buy the game on launch day and play it. On December 13 2020 00:08 m4ini wrote:
That's it. That's the two "big issues" with the game. Everything else is blown way out of proportion and reminds me of a Karen screeching for the manager because the soup was "too hot". Of course a floating gun here and a time traveling chop stick there shouldn't be ignored, but to call this "an issue" is just stupid.
Who's Karen and why is she screeching for the manager? Friend of yours? That's what i mean. People had plenty of warning that this game would have issues on launch, like 10 years worth of warnings, but they preorder, demand the immediate release of the game and then complain. It boggles the mind, The game'll be cheap and fixed in a year, Maybe the base game but I'll be stunned if they don't announce a DLC/Expansion within 6 months time. Maybe sooner.
I always buy games >6 months after release.
That's why I'm always so smug in these threads.
Trust me, it'll be cheaper. I normally wait for a steam sale too.
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On December 13 2020 03:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 02:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 13 2020 02:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 23:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On December 12 2020 22:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On December 12 2020 17:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
It's not the hype. It's the demanding nature that gamers have. They have that entitlement of "I paid $xxx for this. IT BETTER BE PERFECT!" and it just will never be the case. 1) It's a game. Something to waste away idle time. 2) IT'S A FUCKING GAME. 3) You don't have to purchase the game. Ever. At all.
I can understand when the hype is unreal and they feel let down. But being reasonable about this, the game, on PC, runs decently. The next gen versions that this game was designed for, runs decently. Sure, there are major issues to be fixed. And they will be. But I cannot understand why people harp, bitch and moan about something they didn't create. They have no skin in this besides 70$ or whatever. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose not to. Don't bitch to those who are trying to.
Not directed at you virpi or anyone in this thread. I've been reading and talking to a lot of people about this game. There shouldn't be any major issues to be fixed. When I buy any product, any service, for any price I expect there not to be any major issues to be fixed. Period. Food, clothes, transportation, utilities none of those should have major issues to be fixed. That extends to every gradient of luxury available, luxury food, entertainment, better forms of transportation. And consumer goods, like fridges, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, televisions, phones, internet service, tv service, landline service, I expect all those to operate without major issues to be fixed when paying for that good or service. Why make an exception for video games? I haven't created any of those, but if I pay for something I expect that there are no major issues to be fixed. If to create was the signifier to be able to expect that there will be no major issues, then 99.9% of everything anybody buys will be below expectation. Perhaps 100% for most people as most people are but cogs in a machine of one product or service. Tell me, what have you created? Then compare that to what you have purchased with your money? Would any of those items come with major issues to be fixed? I could just as easily turn the argument back toward you. Either enjoy the game. Or don't. But if you choose to. Don't bitch to those who highlight legitimate issues and reveal the utter decay of gaming journalism. And if a company has a reputation for releasing games in a buggy state what do you do when they release a new game? Not pre-order? Wait a bit before buying the game? I mean, CDPR has that reputation so the smart thing to do is wait. No-one is forcing you to buy the game on launch day and play it. On December 13 2020 00:08 m4ini wrote:
That's it. That's the two "big issues" with the game. Everything else is blown way out of proportion and reminds me of a Karen screeching for the manager because the soup was "too hot". Of course a floating gun here and a time traveling chop stick there shouldn't be ignored, but to call this "an issue" is just stupid.
Who's Karen and why is she screeching for the manager? Friend of yours? That's what i mean. People had plenty of warning that this game would have issues on launch, like 10 years worth of warnings, but they preorder, demand the immediate release of the game and then complain. It boggles the mind, The game'll be cheap and fixed in a year, Maybe the base game but I'll be stunned if they don't announce a DLC/Expansion within 6 months time. Maybe sooner.
They announced post launch freelc before they launched the game.
On December 13 2020 00:34 Archeon wrote:From the reviews my impression is that this is a mix of VtmB's atmosphere and characters, gta's open world set in deus ex-esque world with less politics. How close to the truth is that and how does it compare to these games/series? That is an interesting take to say the least. In opposition to this the general consensus seems to give them half a year for fix the biggest issues (bugs, crafting, economy, driving on keyboard or performance on console depending on what you play and perhaps flat RPG systems). While this would be shitty for the dev's bonuses, it sends the right message for rushing games out and financially rewards continued support.
Its a bit lighter than VtmB's but that's a decent reference point. More of a TW3 newer AC's open world but a lot denser with combat and loot being a lot more of borderlands then I was expecting. crafting is also from TW3 pretty much but with more Borderlands kind of variety.
I actually like the radio but its really really electronic considering that it is cyberpunk. I was hoping that there would be a radio station playing like the indie rock scene but there really isn't time to get bored with it.
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15 hours in and having a blast still. The police system is terrible though holy shit, that really needs a patch but it doesnt strike me as a quick fix, they’d probably have to completely overhaul driver AI first..
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The amount you need to grind in order to lvl is slow. Like, the exp for side gigs or whatever doesn't add up. I'm lvl 11(?) and it feels like I haven't progged anywhere yet. The weapons/armor scale accordingly to the rank.
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SO what is everyone's stats thus far? Here is my character at the moment.
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Not the most sophisticated. Skills are: Body 7, Reflexes 8, Tech 7, Intel 7, Cool 3. Want to push body, reflex, and tech further and get more skills on the trees.
SO back to the side gigs for fixers + Show Spoiler +they pay you shit for the stuff they ask you to do. 2k for a smash and grab or retrieve a person in danger. 3k for wiping out a small group for illicit BDs. Would be great to get enough money to actually buy the cars they offer or get some of the weapons at the dealers. But no, you have to grind your ass off to be able to afford a taco and water. That really needs to be improved because it will be a lifetime of shit work to gain the scratch to buy anything.
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