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My point is that this is not a gameplay problem (unless you count the microtransaction issue), as TB implied. It's a problem of the dev's general attitude that causes all the hugely negative (and deservedly so) reactions.The War-Z: MMO Zombie Survival - Page 25
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
My point is that this is not a gameplay problem (unless you count the microtransaction issue), as TB implied. It's a problem of the dev's general attitude that causes all the hugely negative (and deservedly so) reactions. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:28 Conti wrote: I know all that. My point is that this is not a gameplay problem (unless you count the microtransaction issue), as TB implied. It's a problem of the dev's general attitude that causes all the hugely negative (and deservedly so) reactions.It is a gameplay problem when you are selling your release version (NOT the beta or alpha) with so many egregious errors. Some of the errors of marketing cross the line into gameplay as well. For example, increasing spawn times from one to four hours and implementing "real money=instant respawn" is a marketing ploy that drastically affects gameplay. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:44 acker wrote: It is a gameplay problem when you are selling your release version (NOT the beta or alpha) with so many egregious errors. Some of the errors of marketing cross the line into gameplay as well. For example, increasing spawn times from one to four hours and implementing "real money=instant respawn" is a marketing ploy that drastically affects gameplay. It was already planned for respawns to be 4+ hours since the start. But what they didn't tell us was you can pay 50 GC to revive(less than a dollar) its not a lot of money shouldn't be a big deal right? Wrong. The problem is this, you stack your global with guns than you die and you insta revive spawn in with guns and come right back. So if you die with GC, you basically insta revive, come back completely geared knowing where your opponent is and just start killing them. So IMO respawns should be random areas, not in the area you died if this is the case. Overall I think this is complete bullshit. I really liked this game starting off and I had a lot of fun, the problem is for me is that the devs are doing stupid things and the game is still rampant with hackers. It is like the devs are really just out of touch with reality. Those of you bashing the gameplay, I disagree as I found the gameplay really fun before, atleast for waiting for the DayZ standalone. I am just mad with the way things are turning out now. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On December 20 2012 02:35 Risen wrote: Meh, I don't care if every dev in the world does shit like this. Game is fun, I enjoy it and have enjoyed it from the time I bought it. Well worth the 30 I spent on it. I think I've played something like 100 hours of warz. Super cheap entertainment at that price. And as I said earlier, at the price it is on steam it's a steal. Great price to fun ratio. Edit: I love how entitled everyone is, though. Keep on holding to those principles. You guys make me laugh with all your business ethics noise. Every company will attempt to maximize profit. The end. I have realized this. So I just buy games I think will be fun for me. This game is fun if you're looking for a less realistic dayz with better graphics and less bugs (in my experience). At $13 on steam you won't find a game that accomplishes this better. Listen to those who have given valid disagreements and determine for yourself if the cons raised matter to you. Go on twitch and watch people play the game. If it looks fun to you, go for it. Having standards and not wanting companies to outright lie to you about features in the game is being entitled. Shit man, guess I'm entitled. Funny how people always revert to "BUT IT'S FUN I PLAY GAMES FOR FUN LOL JUST HAVE FUN" when companies get called out like this. Having to pay more money to temporarily enjoy the game more until I die and have to spend more money to revive in a timely manner in a game I already purchased isn't my idea of fun. You can take the most fun game in the world and ruin it with a cash shop and shitty devs. That said, I do mean fully and honestly that if this game didn't have such trash devs and such a horrendously made cash shop it would be a great competitor to DayZ -- much needed competition so that Rocket speeds his shit up. | ||
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Haee
522 Posts
Yes the developers are shady as all hell and their cover up in trying to actually defend themselves from lying in the steam page is hilarious to me but War Z at the very least does a decent job at executing the premise that it drew inspiration from (I know WAR Z was in development before DAY Z). Day Z's problem arose because it was held back from the ARMA 2 engine the mod was built upon and sometimes the basic functionality of shooting (hitscans on zombies, animation framework and so on) held back what a game that stood out conceptually that people overlooked the former in favor of what the game did in surrounding yourself in a world where it gives off a wild wild west vibe of every man for himself. War Z has the same appeal but the same functionality issue where it might slightly improved in the ways zombies animate and basic hitscan but doesn't feel good on it's own ground if you stripped the whole "zombie mmo" aspect away from it. So strip the fact that the developers behind War Z is acting very amateurish, War Z as a game on it's own merit can actually do a decent job at giving you a game where you spend around half a week at most in wonder and leave it behind for you to maybe or maybe not pick it up in the future. Even still, you better LIKE the hell out of the game from a conceptual level because the quality of everything aside from it is poorly done even when given the only direct comparison you can make is with a mod (Day Z). I can't recommend anyone checking this game out even for it's low starting fee otherwise. | ||
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acidstormy
United States191 Posts
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
The whole thing with being removed from Steam has probably doomed this game, livelihoods have been ruined here for certain, regardless of what you think of the game. Nevertheless, I'm still not going to buy it  | ||
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Morton
United States152 Posts
that being said the gameplay is still fun, and it has a layer of polish that dayz currently lacks. standalone dayz is going to be the best for sure, but this IS better than the dayz mod | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:24 3Form wrote: The whole thing with being removed from Steam has probably doomed this game, livelihoods have been ruined here for certain, regardless of what you think of the game. Very unlikely. The game has been bought already and made quite some money, and people will have to ask steam for a refund to get one. Only a small percentage will do so, so most money will remain with the devs. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:24 3Form wrote: I watched the first 20 mins on TB's video on this and honestly I had to turn off as I didn't feel he was approaching the game objectively, seemed his judgement was already predetermined. He also seemed to be doing stupid stuff like running into hordes of zombies and then berating the game when he died. I agree. He even outright admitted he went into it expecting it to be bad. The thing I disliked most is how he missed really obvious stuff, and complained about things not even worth complaining about. I mean, at one point he goes "you'd think there'd be thirst or hunger mechanics in a survival game, but nope", meanwhile I noticed the hunger and thirst bars, right beside the health bar, moments after looking at the UI. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
worst developer ever. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
TB could have trashed the game to bits without it having any effect if what was actually on the steam page was accurate and the game didn't have many blatant flaws. The devs attitude towards criticism didn't do them any favours either. | ||
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Midas_
268 Posts
This game has the potential to de-throne the shitty E.T. game (Atari 2600) as the worst videogame ever made. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:04 killa_robot wrote: I agree. He even outright admitted he went into it expecting it to be bad. The thing I disliked most is how he missed really obvious stuff, and complained about things not even worth complaining about. I mean, at one point he goes "you'd think there'd be thirst or hunger mechanics in a survival game, but nope", meanwhile I noticed the hunger and thirst bars, right beside the health bar, moments after looking at the UI. K, good job noticing something as a spectator rather than as a player, but not noticing the correction soon after. The game fucking sucks. A technical mess dishonestly represented by the developers and sold far too early. You can split hairs over the issue of "objectivity" til the end of time but the fact remains, it's not a finished game and many aspects of it are objectively awful. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Also you're an idiot if you pay for an Alpha/Beta game and complain. The same is true for Kickstarter and other crowdfunding stuff. I hope a lot of people learned from their mistake, but probably not. Basically to quote Al Bundy (with some changes in []): On December 20 2012 02:29 Al Bundy wrote: For every 1 responsible consumer who tries to be informed and to buy quality products, there are 10 sheep who are willing to waste their time AND money on shitty products [...] And this is why the video game industry is such a mess. Shame on you guys, shame on you for buying crap [in the first place] | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
What ever man | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On December 20 2012 10:22 Zocat wrote: Their only mistake was putting it up on Steam and basically "releasing" it (with a wrong feature list). Changing a feature (respawn timer) from Beta to Release is something normal. Their design doc (lol^^) probably had 4 hours all along. That's also a reason why you should listen to reviews from someone who played the released game - not from an (early) beta version. Also you're an idiot if you pay for an Alpha/Beta game and complain. The same is true for Kickstarter and other crowdfunding stuff. I hope a lot of people learned from their mistake, but probably not. Basically to quote Al Bundy (with some changes in []): Agreed with the quote. The fact that the game is number 1 on steam right now is fucking embarrassing. It's a horrible, shambled mess. I don't understand how people can buy a game forged by a company that's done nothing but lie, nor enjoy this particular game. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
are they even the same developers? | ||
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acidstormy
United States191 Posts
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