Pillars of Eternity (Obsidian Isometric RPG Kickstarter) -…

On April 03 2015 05:12 Yurie wrote:
Patch notes
https://forums.obsidian.net/blog/7/entry-179-patch-notes-103/

ETA: ?

Tuned ranges of many Wizard spells to be higher.

On April 03 2015 08:13 Dagobert wrote:
DA is utter crap... it's blasphemous to even call it a role-playing game. It's a point-and-click adventure that offers you as much creative freedom as, say, "paint by number".

On April 03 2015 07:43 PassiveAce wrote:

this could make wizards really useful

On April 03 2015 09:27 BluzMan wrote:
I'm kinda sad they decided to be overzealous with porting mechanics back from BG. Getting 10 spells to choose from at level 1 as a druid with the ability to cast only one per rest is kinda stupid. Same with wizards, the real defense/counter wizard war (which made lich and other high level mage encounters extremely challenging, fun and impossible to complete by leftclicking) started only at spell levels 5+ and they ported that almost directly with the exception that 6 is the highest spell level in the game and the best spells were 7+.

On April 03 2015 12:13 LaNague wrote:
their system isnt really fleshed out, it wouldnt work in higher levels atm.
For example spells dont have any way to scale. First of all the lvl 1 and 2 spells are as powerful as lvl 6 spells, sometimes even more powerful. Especially the cipher suffers since he has no limit on spellcasts and they didnt know how to balance that.
And since they dont scale and the saving throws get better with higher level items, especially deflection but also others, spells get weaker and weaker.

On April 03 2015 13:07 Xapti wrote:
This game needs a lot of polish (and some bug fixes, although they seem basic and easy to fix).

Right now there's a major lack of polish with regards to informing the players specifically what certain abilities do, as well as lack of good talent variety (namely class talents), as well as general balance (firearms, classes).

Overall, the game is quite worth it, especially in due time, and especially if they and the community put a lot of work into it. It would really need an expansion or two or even later on a sequel for it to fully develop. Obviously, there's at least going to be an expansion, so things should be good.


I somewhat agree. It's a very strange system; although not necessarily unfixable. Regarding the defenses you were talking about, it seems that you didn't know that spells use accuracy, and hence increases per level just like D&D/OGL, or most other games. Still, the damage seems strange that it doesn't scale. The biggest thing is that it seems the higher level spells don't do enough damage compared to the lower level ones, not so much that spells themselves don't scale.

Regarding the quests though, did anyone else find it strange that the protagonist would go out of their way to go kill Lord Raedric? Sure, it's optional, but it seems strange to me that anyone who is at all sane and who isn't crazy chaotic good would do such a thing. It's like walking into someone who you just met's house, learning they're a wife beater, and shooting them there on the spot. That's not the way things are done. I guess it's possible a player could just want to talk to him, and he gives a dumb ultimatum, but that ultimatum seems pretty ridiculous and unrealistic. He doesn't suggest that he'll compromise or change his ways one single bit. The ultimatum the animancer gives is lame too.

No one seems to have a problem with this quest short of it's difficulty (I didn't have difficulty with it, but then again I didn't go running in with 3 characters at level 3 either (that was Temple of Eothas)), but I can't get the thing out of my head. I feel like it wasn't realistic and/or not enough options for role playing or branching outcomes.

On April 03 2015 11:56 TheYango wrote:

Don't the grimoires show up to level 10? I'd expect they'd add levels/spell levels in the expansion.

Remember the progression here is basically the equivalent of BG1 (the level cap in BG1 was level 12 also, IIRC). You didn't get high level magic fights in BG1 either, you needed to get to BG2 where you started at a level with access to 3rd/4th level spells already.

On April 03 2015 13:07 Xapti wrote:
This game needs a lot of polish (and some bug fixes, although they seem basic and easy to fix).

Right now there's a major lack of polish with regards to informing the players specifically what certain abilities do, as well as lack of good talent variety (namely class talents), as well as general balance (firearms, classes).

Overall, the game is quite worth it, especially in due time, and especially if they and the community put a lot of work into it. It would really need an expansion or two or even later on a sequel for it to fully develop. Obviously, there's at least going to be an expansion, so things should be good.


I somewhat agree. It's a very strange system; although not necessarily unfixable. Regarding the defenses you were talking about, it seems that you didn't know that spells use accuracy, and hence increases per level just like D&D/OGL, or most other games. Still, the damage seems strange that it doesn't scale. The biggest thing is that it seems the higher level spells don't do enough damage compared to the lower level ones, not so much that spells themselves don't scale.

Regarding the quests though, did anyone else find it strange that the protagonist would go out of their way to go kill Lord Raedric? Sure, it's optional, but it seems strange to me that anyone who is at all sane and who isn't crazy chaotic good would do such a thing. It's like walking into someone who you just met's house, learning they're a wife beater, and shooting them there on the spot. That's not the way things are done. I guess it's possible a player could just want to talk to him, and he gives a dumb ultimatum, but that ultimatum seems pretty ridiculous and unrealistic. He doesn't suggest that he'll compromise or change his ways one single bit. The ultimatum the animancer gives is lame too.

No one seems to have a problem with this quest short of it's difficulty (I didn't have difficulty with it, but then again I didn't go running in with 3 characters at level 3 either (that was Temple of Eothas)), but I can't get the thing out of my head. I feel like it wasn't realistic and/or not enough options for role playing or branching outcomes.

On April 03 2015 12:13 LaNague wrote:
their system isnt really fleshed out, it wouldnt work in higher levels atm.


For example spells dont have any way to scale. First of all the lvl 1 and 2 spells are as powerful as lvl 6 spells, sometimes even more powerful. Especially the cipher suffers since he has no limit on spellcasts and they didnt know how to balance that.

And since they dont scale and the saving throws get better with higher level items, especially deflection but also others, spells get weaker and weaker.