EPTI didn't even like the dungeon below the stronghold.
This time around, however, the stretch goals seem to be modest and sensible.
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
I didn't even like the dungeon below the stronghold. This time around, however, the stretch goals seem to be modest and sensible. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Also, developerse are good at using their words i doubt they know how to make a truly challenged game which seems "fair". Being stunned and than call that challenging is laughajble | ||
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Yurie
11923 Posts
On February 25 2017 03:43 Foxxan wrote: A more curated experience is way better. For PoE i had to check the internet where to go next! That is sucky. Also, developerse are good at using their words i doubt they know how to make a truly challenged game which seems "fair". Being stunned and than call that challenging is laughajble Stuns/freezes/turn to stone/confused are an integral part of most RPG games. Too much of it reduces fun of course but if you add ways to avoid it that is a trade-off then it works. Maybe with other skills or equipment that is good against other things such as piercing damage/fire/attack speed. They are currently doing a stream for the last hours of the fund raiser, playing PoE I (not II). Won't recommend it right now though it has good interaction it isn't my cup of tea. Might be more fun when it nears the end. https://www.twitch.tv/obsidian | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On February 25 2017 01:31 Sbrubbles wrote: Do you guys enjoy the stronghold upgrading parts? I found it to be boring busywork in both PoE and Tyranny. I liked upgrading the stronghold. I did not like having to constantly travel back from what I was doing to shoo off some random visitor / mob who would otherwise trash 1-2 of my upgrades, that was very annoying. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On February 25 2017 03:51 Yurie wrote: Stuns/freezes/turn to stone/confused are an integral part of most RPG games. Too much of it reduces fun of course but if you add ways to avoid it that is a trade-off then it works. Maybe with other skills or equipment that is good against other things such as piercing damage/fire/attack speed. They are currently doing a stream for the last hours of the fund raiser, playing PoE I (not II). Won't recommend it right now though it has good interaction it isn't my cup of tea. Might be more fun when it nears the end. https://www.twitch.tv/obsidian But we have standards which are old. This needs to change drastically, its an easy way out for developers aswell to design a game like that | ||
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Yurie
11923 Posts
On February 25 2017 22:54 Foxxan wrote: But we have standards which are old. This needs to change drastically, its an easy way out for developers aswell to design a game like that I honestly think it is a good part of an RPG if you allow space to play around it. Have stun builds be lower in damage to even it out. Have items or buffs to make it less impactful etc. Just having straight up damage from various sources makes item and buff choices have less variation. It also gives less variation in effects you can place on skills and spells. As always the thing is to strike a balance where it makes the game more engaging and forces you to change strategies without become the only viable strategy. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On February 26 2017 21:25 Yurie wrote: I honestly think it is a good part of an RPG if you allow space to play around it. Have stun builds be lower in damage to even it out. Have items or buffs to make it less impactful etc. Just having straight up damage from various sources makes item and buff choices have less variation. It also gives less variation in effects you can place on skills and spells. As always the thing is to strike a balance where it makes the game more engaging and forces you to change strategies without become the only viable strategy. Well ofcourse but thats the only thing you can come up with? There are literally tons of options here. Greather emphasize on positioning. Spells cant reach a target because of something blocking it such as a shield or a wall made by a necromancer(or anything), or a super tank which you dont want to shoot so some spell for example attacks in a circle. You could have greater aspect of tactics through your spells such as blink for mage or other stuff other than alot of aoe spells or spells which are damage and crowdcontrol and thats it. I see so many opportunities yet all we get is what we get. Its embarassing. Then i saw a video of this game developer talking about "what makes good game design" ^^ Havent watched it and i for sure wont. | ||
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Yurie
11923 Posts
On February 26 2017 22:59 Foxxan wrote: Well ofcourse but thats the only thing you can come up with? There are literally tons of options here. Greather emphasize on positioning. Spells cant reach a target because of something blocking it such as a shield or a wall made by a necromancer(or anything), or a super tank which you dont want to shoot so some spell for example attacks in a circle. You could have greater aspect of tactics through your spells such as blink for mage or other stuff other than alot of aoe spells or spells which are damage and crowdcontrol and thats it. I see so many opportunities yet all we get is what we get. Its embarassing. Then i saw a video of this game developer talking about "what makes good game design" ^^ Havent watched it and i for sure wont. If you take environmental and aoe aspects as an opposite consideration then there is nothing about CC that doesn't compliment that. They aren't competing factors, they are complimentary. Have a cone of cold cast and apply a debuff if blocked, freeze for 1 turn if not. So with good positioning it only hits your tank that gets a minor debuff and with a bad one it freezes your back line. As for blink. Enemy melee characters have a shield slam that can knock you prone, taking a turn to get up. Blink away to not get hit or blink to the correct position for your cone of cold. I honestly don't see how a positioning focused game can't also be expanded by having more than just different types of ranges, line of sight (+other environmental effects) and AoE. That still doesn't mean all spells should have it, just that it should be an option to disable a key character on either side of the conflict. An example is that if you are fighting a Yuki-onna that you need items and buffs to combat frozen, cold and similar afflictions or high enough damage for it not to be a consideration. If you don't enjoy that, then that is fine. I personally find good game design to be whatever your target audience enjoys with your unique touch and basic idea as the foundation. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
If you don't enjoy that, then that is fine. I personally find good game design to be whatever your target audience enjoys with your unique touch and basic idea as the foundation. With this logic bad design doesnt exist to you | ||
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Simberto
Germany11620 Posts
On February 27 2017 00:58 Foxxan wrote: But iam not doing that all i did was take what PoE is offering. And all i did was doing examples of what could have been done. I dont want to think of EVERYTHING because that would take several hours. With this logic bad design doesnt exist to you Bad design exists with that logic, it is what the target audience doesn't enjoy. I think this is a pretty good premise to go about it. Games are about fun, after all. | ||
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Yurie
11923 Posts
On February 27 2017 00:58 Foxxan wrote: But iam not doing that all i did was take what PoE is offering. And all i did was doing examples of what could have been done. I dont want to think of EVERYTHING because that would take several hours. With this logic bad design doesnt exist to you As was said by Simberto. Bad design is what isn't enjoyable by the target audience. There will never be a 100% correct design choice for every single person alive because of different expectations, reflexes and backgrounds of players. If you take a person that has played RPGs since the NES days and love the turn based combat and lack of hand holding in those and dump her into Witcher 3 they will likely enjoy the game but not consider it the game of the year. They likely don't want the real time combat and consider that a bad design choice in an otherwise good RPG. While the targetted audience wanted an open world with real time combat so it was still the right design choice. Major AAA studios usually target the biggest demographics they can and make compromises to fit them in. They rarely make the perfect game for anybody but still very enjoyable for a majority of players. | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
On February 25 2017 16:39 True_Spike wrote: Fig campaign ended at $4,407,598. They have now started accepting pledges via PayPal. It doesn't seem likely, but it would be great if they could reach 5 million before the end of the paypal campaign. Where's the counter for paypal/does it even matter for stretch goals? I'm one of the people who were unable to pledge through fig because they only accept credit cards. | ||
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Merany
France890 Posts
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Yurie
11923 Posts
Do we know if we continue with the items and so on for the new game so it is worth playing them to get a good party to export? Or is it only choices? | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On March 10 2018 08:07 Yurie wrote: Now that the next game launches in a month I wanted to ask a bit about the first game. Are the expansions good and worthwhile to play before the next game? Only played the main game 2-3 times at release. Do we know if we continue with the items and so on for the new game so it is worth playing them to get a good party to export? Or is it only choices? I found the expansions to be well worth the money and time. They were fun, with challenging encounters. We will not continue with items (only the main character, back at level 1, iirc) but choices made during the first game will be ported over through our save file. If someone did not play the first game, they will choose how to shape the world from a series of narrative questions, at the beginning of the game. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
For reference, I played the vanilla version twice roughly a year after release. I played the expansions using both vanilla runs then did 1 final run including everything. | ||
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