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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 02:37:29
May 15 2014 21:52 GMT
#1141
Ah ok, looks like I wasted too many diplo points then. How should set up my trade nodes? Do I need a merchant in london to collect? Where should assign my light ships?

What affects trade protect range? My range just increased to 300 but I still can't protect Genoa as England.

For the techs, should I rush the 3rd idea in exploration or rush diplo 7?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 02:49:41
May 16 2014 02:48 GMT
#1142
How should set up my trade nodes?

typically you want to protect nodes that you have trade power in AND that flow towards your home node. So in your case that means you want a merchant in North Sea forwarding to London (because you control Scotland so you have a lot of trade power in North Sea, and North Sea can either flow to London or Lubeck, you need a merchant there or else it will most likely go to Lubeck). Later on when you have colonial nations you either want to have a merchant in Western Europe, or if you prefer to only colonize Canada and North America, you can eventually set up Chespeake -> St. Lawrence -> North Sea -> London.

Western Europe is a heavily competed node so the latter option might be attractive.

Do I need a merchant in london to collect?

You always auto-collect from your capital node, in your case that is London. If you put a merchant there you will collect 10% more, but often the merchant is better used elsewhere.

Where should assign my light ships?

London, North Sea, when you have colonies, either Western Europe or St. Lawrence depending on where you send your merchant to forward from. London sometimes needs to be protected from Burgundy / Netherlands as they will often send light ships to London and siphon trade from London->Antwerp

What affects trade protect range? My range just increased to 300 but I still can't protect Genoa as England.

no point protecting Genoa. You won't have much, if any trade power there. If you want, you can send a merchant to Bordeaux and protect there to steal trade from the French.

For the techs, should I rush the 3rd idea in exploration or rush diplo 7?

I'd say go for 3rd idea and then diplo 7 if its insufficient to reach Greenland. You'll have a good headstart in colonizing North America as Portugal / Spain tend to colonize Brazil first.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 16 2014 06:43 GMT
#1143
So is there anything I can do differently with increased trade range as England before I reach the new world? Right now I'm sending most of my ships to protect Bordeaux, 5 for London and like 10ish for North Sea, transfer power from North Sea and Bordeaux. I just discovered some techs which increase my trade range but my ships still can't protect any other nodes.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 11:56:13
May 16 2014 11:54 GMT
#1144
I never had a point where I thought I needed more trade range so I can't help you there, sorry ~

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"play time is over", hopefully I expanded fast enough.

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Hopefully selling my border province with Ottomans should buy me some time to Westernize
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 16 2014 13:22 GMT
#1145
if ppl are interested in buying the game, it is currently off 77% at gamersgate
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 21:51:41
May 16 2014 20:55 GMT
#1146
Thanks for all the help 419.

So there are long periods in the game when after I have vassalized and annexed Scotland and Ireland, and when I haven't gotten the necessary techs to go to the new world yet, that there's nothing for me to do but fast forward on max speed and vote for cardinals. I also built some temples and trade ships. What else should I be doing? Are there more ways besides advisors to increase your points gain? My 0/0/0 ruler didn't die for a long time and I didn't get the war of the roses event in my game.

I played the England game all the way up to a point where I founded two colonies, one in Arcadia and one in Connecticut. I also fabricated claims and took Manhattan. I'm out of colonists, should I be taking over more land? I have three merchants and placed them at Chesapeake Bay, Gulf of St. Lawrence, and North Sea, all transferring trade power. But I seem to be making less than when I had them at Bordeaux. I maxed out the naval limit with mostly trade ships.

What should I be doing at this point? How do I increase trade? Should I be going to war in Europe? I got a 1/1/6 ruler after Henry died and my military tech is really far ahead. What constitutes as winning the game?

Also, should I be keeping both army and navy maintenance at zero when at war? I keep the army maintenance down but keep up the navy maintenance for trade ships.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11517 Posts
May 17 2014 05:24 GMT
#1147
What you should be doing is setting goals and accomplishing those. Those goals can be whatever. There is no one road to victory. If you want help coming up with goals, you might want to take a look at the list of achievements, i found those always helpful.

You could fight other powers over colonial supremacy. You could try to gain back what france took from you. You could try to take over Spain and Portugal to become the supreme atlantic power. Become a crusader and crush filthy turks for the glory of the holy roman church. Suppress the protestant revolution. Convert to protestant and fight the catholic establishment. Become the Holy Roman Emperor. Invade China and India. Basically, just set a goal that sounds cool, and then try to figure out how you can accomplish it. Built alliances, fight wars, etc.

If you just built 2 colonies in the americas, there is probably not yet a lot of goods coming over from there. Over the next centuries, the area will develop and there will be shitloads of money streaming towards europe.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
May 17 2014 06:17 GMT
#1148
I have three merchants and placed them at Chesapeake Bay, Gulf of St. Lawrence, and North Sea, all transferring trade power.

Are you transferring the trade power to the right nodes? Chesapeake should flow to Gulf, Gulf to North Sea, North Sea to London

If you just built 2 colonies in the americas, there is probably not yet a lot of goods coming over from there. Over the next centuries, the area will develop and there will be shitloads of money streaming towards europe.

you can beat up the natives too, once you have a colonial nation you can send them military governors and they are very likely to also attack the natives
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 06:28:05
May 17 2014 06:27 GMT
#1149
Ok so I restarted the game trying to colonize the new world sooner by preserving my monarch points. I vassaled one of the Irish provinces and sold the rest to it. I also vassal -> annexed Scotland so I didn't have to spend points coring any Scotland and Ireland. My biggest question is just, there's a good 10-20 years wait in between from when I finish all wards until I get diplo 7 and can go for the new world. I don't wanna just fast forward through it on max speed but realistically what can I do? I tried conquering Utrecht but Austria somehow backed them up even though it didn't say on Utrecht's diplomacy screen. I could also go for Brittany. Would a war even be worth it?

edit: I was transferring correctly, just checked.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11517 Posts
May 17 2014 06:46 GMT
#1150
For Utrecht, it should have said something like "They are a member of the Empire, and the Emperor Austria will protect them" on the lower half of the war declaration screen.

Not doing too much for 10-20 years can happen, as you sometimes just need to replenish manpower from a major war or bleed off aggressive expansion. You could secure some alliances, or do other stuff. Sometimes just not being too active for a while is the best thing to do, you can use up your political and military capital a lot faster then you can replenish it.

If you want Brittany, take it. Maybe you could set the goal of dismantling the filthy french, if you don't know what you want to do. Getting alliances with Burgundy, Castille, Aragon, or Austria would help with this. Getting Brittany would also help.

You seem to be stuck in trying to figure out what the game wants you to do or what you should do, but what you should really look at is what you want to do, and then see how you can do it. Then you learn what works or doesn't work, and what could be a danger in future attempts. Eu4 is a lot better at communicating the consequences of actions beforehand when compared to EU3, but it is still not always obvious.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
May 17 2014 07:03 GMT
#1151
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just another day in glorious omani empire.

Also Indian troops are better than Muslim troops around tech 10~, wtf
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Anesthetic
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
May 20 2014 18:30 GMT
#1152
hzzz, byzantium is such an absolute blast to play but the fact that its so luck based makes it a terrible choice for multiplayer (especially since I tend to host multilayer games) In any case, if anyone in this thread wishes to play some Multiplayer eu4 every once in a while add me on steam [BxAnesthetic]
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 06:16:42
May 21 2014 04:54 GMT
#1153
Hmm 1444 Byzantium is not really luck based I feel. Take loans, buy galleys way over your force limit, blockade straight, wait until Otto armies are on the asian side, declare war, wait for war exaustion to spawn all them greek patriots, win. Seems to be very consistent.


On another note EU4/Steam are fucking me over badly atm- continued my Granada campaing last night, lost internet connection and decided to go to bed due to no more ironman. And today EU4 is like "you can't activate ironman because your game needs to be unmodded and verified. What? It certainly was unmodded and verified a few hours ago when I went to sleep you dumb game >< . (Steam is online and cloud saves are on, I checked)
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 11:17:56
May 22 2014 10:30 GMT
#1154
It appears this is a problem that many people are currently having. Maybe this helps some of you to see if/when it's fixed and at the very least saves you from mindless reinstalling and whatnot.

So in my Granada campaign that paradox (steam?) so rudely interrupted I have relocated to the balkans.

[image loading]

(I apologize for the screenshot, can't load the ironman save atm, for obvious reasons.) Vassalised Serbia, annexed and sold Wallachia to Serbia, vassalized and integrated Bosnia, vassalized Byzantium (they own archea, naxos, crete, rhodos and i got athens for them as well), beat Croatia out of Hungary as my vassal and sold them my iberian lands to keep Castille off my back. I think my alliance with the Ottomans is still holding for the moment, but since I have so much pondering time on my hands and can't play I'm wondering where to go next.
Getting the Byzantium cores back from Otto seems so very tempting, but they are my strongest (only atm.) ally, and singlehandedly destroyed the coalition of austria&friends + hungary + poland/lithuania that I had against me after all those vassalisations/annexations. Odds were ~3:1 against us (like I did anything noteworthy in that war) but Otto was like npnpnpnp and walked over everyone. They're also allied to QQ who control most of Arabia. Me so scurred, poopy in my pants.
Italy might be a good option if Otto stays faithful to me, even though the Christians are quite pissed at me already. At least it's the right direction (long time goal is Iberia, obviously).
Going through Hungary might also work, but they tend to have ridiculous allies and I'm somewhat put off by their +100% coring costs.
Ideas?
11 years and counting- TL #680
myzael
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Poland605 Posts
May 22 2014 12:12 GMT
#1155
Wait for the next patch to hit, they got rid of the Hungary's +CC tradition
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 13:11:32
May 22 2014 12:45 GMT
#1156
Sounds great, but will the savegames be compatible *shivers* ?
11 years and counting- TL #680
Anesthetic
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
May 22 2014 16:15 GMT
#1157
On May 21 2014 13:54 Monsen wrote:
Hmm 1444 Byzantium is not really luck based I feel. Take loans, buy galleys way over your force limit, blockade straight, wait until Otto armies are on the asian side, declare war, wait for war exaustion to spawn all them greek patriots, win. Seems to be very consistent.


They patched the AI so that it just straight up walks all the way around through crimea and moldavia, also if they declare on you right after Albania your screwed anyways no matter what size fleet you have (unless you abuse the scorched earth thing). Before 1.5 It used to take me like 2-3 restarts to get a game where I survived but my recent game took like 5 tries.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
May 22 2014 16:38 GMT
#1158
On May 22 2014 19:30 Monsen wrote:
It appears this is a problem that many people are currently having. Maybe this helps some of you to see if/when it's fixed and at the very least saves you from mindless reinstalling and whatnot.

So in my Granada campaign that paradox (steam?) so rudely interrupted I have relocated to the balkans.

[image loading]

(I apologize for the screenshot, can't load the ironman save atm, for obvious reasons.) Vassalised Serbia, annexed and sold Wallachia to Serbia, vassalized and integrated Bosnia, vassalized Byzantium (they own archea, naxos, crete, rhodos and i got athens for them as well), beat Croatia out of Hungary as my vassal and sold them my iberian lands to keep Castille off my back. I think my alliance with the Ottomans is still holding for the moment, but since I have so much pondering time on my hands and can't play I'm wondering where to go next.
Getting the Byzantium cores back from Otto seems so very tempting, but they are my strongest (only atm.) ally, and singlehandedly destroyed the coalition of austria&friends + hungary + poland/lithuania that I had against me after all those vassalisations/annexations. Odds were ~3:1 against us (like I did anything noteworthy in that war) but Otto was like npnpnpnp and walked over everyone. They're also allied to QQ who control most of Arabia. Me so scurred, poopy in my pants.
Italy might be a good option if Otto stays faithful to me, even though the Christians are quite pissed at me already. At least it's the right direction (long time goal is Iberia, obviously).
Going through Hungary might also work, but they tend to have ridiculous allies and I'm somewhat put off by their +100% coring costs.
Ideas?

finish quickly, because Paradox is eviscerating vassal-expand strategies in 1.6. They gave it three separate nerfs:

-AE for vassalization scales on number of vassal provinces
-nerf to neighbor bonuses (as vassal strategies will tend to leave you behind on diplotech)
-the big one - it now costs 15 diplo points per vassal base tax to annex
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
May 22 2014 20:03 GMT
#1159
Well for me to finish they would have to fix friggin' Ironman first .
11 years and counting- TL #680
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6213 Posts
May 22 2014 21:04 GMT
#1160
On May 23 2014 01:38 419 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 19:30 Monsen wrote:
It appears this is a problem that many people are currently having. Maybe this helps some of you to see if/when it's fixed and at the very least saves you from mindless reinstalling and whatnot.

So in my Granada campaign that paradox (steam?) so rudely interrupted I have relocated to the balkans.

[image loading]

(I apologize for the screenshot, can't load the ironman save atm, for obvious reasons.) Vassalised Serbia, annexed and sold Wallachia to Serbia, vassalized and integrated Bosnia, vassalized Byzantium (they own archea, naxos, crete, rhodos and i got athens for them as well), beat Croatia out of Hungary as my vassal and sold them my iberian lands to keep Castille off my back. I think my alliance with the Ottomans is still holding for the moment, but since I have so much pondering time on my hands and can't play I'm wondering where to go next.
Getting the Byzantium cores back from Otto seems so very tempting, but they are my strongest (only atm.) ally, and singlehandedly destroyed the coalition of austria&friends + hungary + poland/lithuania that I had against me after all those vassalisations/annexations. Odds were ~3:1 against us (like I did anything noteworthy in that war) but Otto was like npnpnpnp and walked over everyone. They're also allied to QQ who control most of Arabia. Me so scurred, poopy in my pants.
Italy might be a good option if Otto stays faithful to me, even though the Christians are quite pissed at me already. At least it's the right direction (long time goal is Iberia, obviously).
Going through Hungary might also work, but they tend to have ridiculous allies and I'm somewhat put off by their +100% coring costs.
Ideas?

finish quickly, because Paradox is eviscerating vassal-expand strategies in 1.6. They gave it three separate nerfs:

-AE for vassalization scales on number of vassal provinces
-nerf to neighbor bonuses (as vassal strategies will tend to leave you behind on diplotech)
-the big one - it now costs 15 diplo points per vassal base tax to annex

Did they also change coring cost and time then otherwise it's getting ridiculously tough to expand.
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