Europa Universalis IV - Page 176

On May 26 2016 19:52 419 wrote:
this change has the potential to be really amazing

On May 26 2016 21:20 Silvanel wrote:
I want to check it out in game. But from Dev Diary is loks retarded to me. One thing i find appealing in EU is that countries and cultures are not equal (like they are in CIV games for example). Last thing i wanna see in EU game is Indian tech being on par with Europe.

If i wanna see Egyptians in space i play CIV not EU.

On May 26 2016 21:20 Silvanel wrote:
I want to check it out in game. But from Dev Diary is loks retarded to me. One thing i find appealing in EU is that countries and cultures are not equal (like they are in CIV games for example). Last thing i wanna see in EU game is Indian tech being on par with Europe.

If i wanna see Egyptians in space i play CIV not EU.

On May 29 2016 20:48 Xafnia wrote:
As for native Americans, well it's normal they are hard. Spanish with horses, guns, iron and had just finished the reconquista vs Natives that were decimated by disease and lacked all sorts of technology taken for granted for thousands of years anywhere in the old world.

On May 29 2016 17:28 Silvanel wrote:
Actualy its slightly more complicated. Even during strongest periods of so called "isolationism" technological transfer took place especially to India and Indo-China penisula. China was always better organized than European countries and MUCH more populus. (Which isnt adequatly depicted in EU). If i remmeber correctly combined production of cast iron of entire Europe only matched China's by the end of XVII century. But Europe metallurgy while smaller in scale was of better quality in some important areas (like canon making) and to much greater degree directed towards warfare.


In regards to game i think bonuses to technology should be transfred trough trade nodes and by warfare.

On May 30 2016 00:39 hfglgg wrote:


wasnt china relatively immune to europe until the 19th century anyway?

from what i remember of the few lectures i visited, the biggest advantage europe had was its superior ships and a centralized government for all big players (portugal, spain, england, france, netherlands). south of the mughal empire india and the pacific islands were mostly small independent states, that could be easily played against each other or subdued if on their own.
the centralized countries in asia, i.e. mughals or china were way to strong to be influenced or even dominated by european powers. this only changed at the end of the eu4 time period.

the whole painting the map thingy which is a big part of eu4 was something that historically only happend at the very end of the timespan eu4 covers.

On May 29 2016 16:55 Silvanel wrote:
You are factualy wrong. By the time EUIV starts only areas of the world being on par (or slightly ahead) with Europeans when it comes to technological advancment was China and close Muslim states. With China being surpased in XVI-XVII century and only area in the world remaining competive being Ottoman Empire (by share virtue of proximity). When Europeans landed in America the "Great" Aztec culture havent even entered Bronze Age...

All of which is adequatly depicted in EU. Asian units of the same tech are stronger than European and early Muslim stronger than EU. But Europeans tech faster- precisly what happend in our world. If something its wrong its TOO EASY to catchup with Europe not too hard.

By the time EUIV starts the time of great Muslim scholars is long gone: Avicenna 980-1037, Al-Farabi - 872-950,Averroes 1126 -1198 or just see here: http://www.famousscientists.org/famous-muslim-arab-persian-scientists-and-their-inventions/

There was a time when Europe was far bahind in terms of techonology compared to Middleast, China, Iran Area, even Niger delta and some subharran cultures. But when game starts its no longer the case, Europeans are starting to get ahead and are using their advantage. And when it comes to India their advancment always came from their nieghbors either from Iran area or China.

Recomneded reading: History of Metallurgy by Ronald F. Tylecote. This book is great because its discusses actual facts not compares culture to culture like some pseudo-science books do. And its actual academic level book not pop-science when everything goes. Great read if Your intrested both in enginnering and archeology.