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hmmm...
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
"Paris, England" hmmm... | ||
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Xafnia
Canada874 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/olBtQNg.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/foK6VYP.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZpNJB5e.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1CwWNs8.jpg) Delhi-Ottos-Persia-Afganistan-Ahmednagar-Bengal were all in a massive web of alliances the entire game. Delhi/Ottos both blobbed really fast and had more than double the armies of any other country in the world for a good ~150yrs. (Both also went quantity first) Regency ~1818 Kept me from finishing off Delhi. I think I did pretty good though. Alliances wise I used Persia once vs Ottos then they rivaled me. Other than that a non-emperor Austria was pretty much my only ally I used all game outside of the very beginning. Imereti - Azovia - Astrakhan unicorns were interesting. That Entirely protestant and reformed HRE? Was catholic empire, with only 2 opm electors as catholic in the entire thing. | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
So it might be possible to run a Western-tech nomad government. Alas, I'm a bit too far in to restart, but we'll see: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7UIq2tP.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AqM2m2v.png) and RIP world: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SMo3bZc.png) | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
I'm trying to do Marco Antonio's opening (no CB on Karaman straight away, release and feed provinces to Eretna), but 9 times out of 10 the Ottos/Venice declare on me before I'm finished with that war, so no chance of getting any alliances. The other times, I can neither get enough allies (the ideal is Poland-Lithuania and Hungary, with Austria hopefully soon after) in time to protect against the Ottos if they declare a bit later, nor against the coalition that forms from taking Karaman on a no CB. Even the first war doesn't go the way Marco said it "always" would. In his playthrough the Karamans dropped off a 5-stack to siege the fort in Morea, which is not enough troops, but they leave them there allowing you to destroy their fleet and take down their provinces easily. I don't know if there's some trick that he did or if it's been patched, but every single try I did, they dropped off a 6-stack which was enough. Now, beating them is still easy despite that, but that and the other issues makes me wonder if something has changed in 1.17 or if there's a trick I just don't know about there. Anyone here done this? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
Those super tricky strats also requires (usually) shitton of restarts. But they are not writing in summary - I restarted 100times untill it worked. Also: Theres a lot of variables influencing computer decisions, so it not really "always" but "most of the time". In case of this 5/6 sieging fort You might want to "burn the ground" to increase atrition and also count on some "1" siege rolls. If You drop their manpower fast it might work. When i did some strats designed by others it never really run precisly as they put it. You need to adjust and react. Just as computer is and is basing some of its decisns on Your troop movement and postion for example. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
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Archeon
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You can do it with Hungary alone on paper, but that's highly reliant on the ai not being braindead, so chances are slim. The straits are relatively hard to def thanks to Terrain and fort-zones of control and an open fight without terrain is very dicy (roughly even numbers on Byz+Hungary vs Otto). Poland on the other hand just murders them once they get that PU. Any no-cb war is gonna mean a lot of hate in the region, which lowers chances for an alliance with one of the three as well as the factor that you can't get the alliance during the war. You imho just make the hard part of the playthrough harder if you no-cb. Once you have reconquered Greece the rest is a piece of cake and it's not like the 3 Karaman-provinces make the conquest of Otto any easier. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
I just tried another 6 or so times, playing the 'normal' way, ie. get alliances first. I can't get alliances with Austria most of the time, and sometimes only if I gift them 150 ducats or something. The problem I have is that, while waiting to build up favors with allies or for them to be willing to join a war vs Ottomans, they always seem to start stupid wars that leave me/them vulnerable. And any other offensive war is out of the question anyway since I'm warned non-stop by the ottomans. Combine that with the fact that once you're allied with Poland and Hungary, the Ottomans just won't attack you at all, it's hard to know what to do. In fact, I don't even know how Marco managed the second no-cb war (the one against Bosnia + Serbia) without being warned by the Ottos. The thing that's 100% guaranteed in all my restarts is that the Ottos will warn me ASAP and renew the warning from then onwards. On a slightly different note - I tried to get the Diplo Rep advisor by firing another one, but it gave me the exact same advisor over and over again. Is this a bug? I must have done it about 4 times on one advisor and 3 on another and it just brought them straight back again, and I'm not all that interested in a Naval Moral advisor, lol. | ||
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nimbim
Germany985 Posts
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Archeon
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On May 20 2016 20:07 jtype wrote: Well, Marco's strategy was to no-cb karaban, then get alliances with Poland and Hungary, then immediately no-cb Bosnia to take Serbian and Bosnian provinces, then spit out montenegro as a vassal to feed all that land to. Then go for the Austria alliance next. I just tried another 6 or so times, playing the 'normal' way, ie. get alliances first. I can't get alliances with Austria most of the time, and sometimes only if I gift them 150 ducats or something. The problem I have is that, while waiting to build up favors with allies or for them to be willing to join a war vs Ottomans, they always seem to start stupid wars that leave me/them vulnerable. And any other offensive war is out of the question anyway since I'm warned non-stop by the ottomans. Combine that with the fact that once you're allied with Poland and Hungary, the Ottomans just won't attack you at all, it's hard to know what to do. In fact, I don't even know how Marco managed the second no-cb war (the one against Bosnia + Serbia) without being warned by the Ottos. The thing that's 100% guaranteed in all my restarts is that the Ottos will warn me ASAP and renew the warning from then onwards. On a slightly different note - I tried to get the Diplo Rep advisor by firing another one, but it gave me the exact same advisor over and over again. Is this a bug? I must have done it about 4 times on one advisor and 3 on another and it just brought them straight back again, and I'm not all that interested in a Naval Moral advisor, lol. Sounds like either a weird coincidence or a bug. Normally firing an advisor just rerolls a new one. Also yes to Ottos warn you all the time. Can only talk about my game. In all 3 tries or so I got Hungary pretty fast as an alliance and tried to get Poland asap. IIrc Mameluks is an option, albeit a hard one. So I just waited early on in speed 5 for Poland to gather favors. Austria wasn't interested in an alliance early on in my game either, but Hungary had claims, so when Otto looked weak for a moment I just called them and promised land (which I didn't give them a lot of). Got my cores back and bam I'm a great power. Otto was pretty weak though, by the time I started they were in a war with Mameluks and Qara, so I could siege the left fort on the Greek side before they gathered their army, which means that it's pretty easy to just block the straits. Otto blocks the strait with ships anyways and honestly I couldn't care less, means Hungary doesn't gather war exhaustion while Ottos is rising like crazy and I don't get call for peace, meaning that I ended the war when they had 20 WE. When the truce expired Poland were ready to go and Otto already a lot weaker. So yeah got 3/4 of Ottos land by 1500, which means that I'm a delayed a bit weaker Ottoman Empire in the same situation with everyone around me being either friendly cause I killed Ottos or weak. So yeah 50 years later I'm the #1 power in the game by a margin. Playing Jake's playthroughs often is not ideal. They often rely on a bug abuse or a specific ai behavior that gets fixed somewhere along the line. They are fun to watch but if you play a few versions later they almost never work. I honestly still don't see the advantage of going to war with a Karaman. Land is Sunni so you'll have high autonomy and still might get a rebellion, it's on the east side of the strait which you often can't hold giving you loads of extra WE in the otto-war and your starting army isn't that much bigger. You also have to do a naval landing in all likelihood, forcing you to produce some additional transports which are really useless in your situation for other purposes than no-cb-wars. If you start it before you get the alliance it might delay the lifesaving alliance. The only advantage I can see is denying it from Otto. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
or wait until the Ottomans are fighting the Mamluks then go for the kill, once you beat them once its pretty faceroll from there | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
In the meantime I gave myself a break from endless restarts and had a go at forming Byzantium as the Ottomans. Well, as Romania, but you start as the Ottos. Unfortunately I didn't really understand how the culture/religion switch mechanic worked so I wasted a ton of time converting when I could have done it so much sooner if I hadn't grabbed so much Turkish land early on. Was pretty fun though. Especially as I've never played as the Ottomans before. I think I'll try that again! | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ut1Wv4H.png) 1.17 Imperial Horde one-tag: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cztTbF8.png) expected ~1720, probably could have done pre-1700 if I revoked earlier and didn't care about maxing princes. Also wasted a war against Ottomans trying to force them into the empire. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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Archeon
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
 (Regarding Byznatium: Run some strats over the weekend. And here is something which pretty much guarantees success. Its not really fast or efficient but i assume You dont want to do WC with Byzantium and just want to do Bazileus. 1.Check if You can hire +1 diplo advisor and if Poland Rivaled Otto. If both are not true-->restart. 2.Hire this advisor, improve relations with Poland and Wallachia. You can also try with Serbia (if they didnt rivaedl You) or Hungary (if they didnt rivaled Poland or Poland them). Dont bother with Bosnia (their opinion of Ottomans is to good to join offensive War aganist them). 3.At this point You have 50% of chances that Otto DoW You before You form alliance with Poland. Just restart. 4.Attempt to form Royal Marraige/Alliance with Poland (there is slim chance Poland will elect nonJagiellon to throne- that makes war with Otto more difficult but still winable) 5.When You have alliance just wait for the proper moment to strike (preferebly till Otto eat Dulkaldir so they have border with Mamluks). If You DoW first Mamaluks will attack Otto during Your war (most of the time). Otherwise attack Otto when their troops are on the wrong side of Bosfor. 6.Troop movement-->move trops to greece (both land and fleet) they are sitting ducks if left in Constantionople. Build up fleet, and once the war starts pick small chunks of Otto fleet until You can achive Naval dominance. With Mamaluks in war naval dominance is pretty much a guarantee. Additional note: Have good relation with everyone. You might get a lot of subsidies (in one try i had Mamaluks, Austria and Serbia subsidising my war with Otto). After first won war dont be overcocky. Otto are still crazy strong and have better generals, rulers (and that mean military tech) and units. Also Janisaries.... | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dLVahwe.jpg) My failed attempt at Mare Nostrum and Basileus. I got so close! Just ran out of time. Still, at least I know I can do better next time. One of the turning points for me was having Russia randomly break the PU I had on them. I still don't know how that works. I was just about to integrate them and they didn't have any liberty desire and had good opinion. Would have made the rest a lot faster. | ||
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Archeon
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jtype
England2167 Posts
I could have even declared on them to reinstate the PU, but I wasn't sure if it would restart the 50 year timer to integrate them again, or if it would be worth it anyway to waste time warring with the second-most powerful nation when none of their land was useful to me (although I did end up taking Moscow just for an achievement - I couldn't resist). | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
Some changes to how technology works to come with the release of 1.18 (which releases in the autumn). I think this is a good change, compared to penalizing lower tech-groups | ||
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