Europa Universalis IV - Page 170

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Germany8352 Posts

March 27 2016 11:50 GMT

#3381

Thanks for the advise. Making a Vasal out of Haixi sounds like a good idea, unfortunately Korchin declare on them most of the time once I dispatched the Haixi army, so that would drag me to war with Korchin right of the bat. So that would be another thing I need to get lucky with. Will try if get the chance though. Also raze everything. Noted.

In my (successful) Ideas Guy run Ming collapsed like 1470, but they made it until the very end in some of my other games lately. So currently Ming is somewhat stable imo. Of course they never collapse early when I am playing in the Chinese area...

Timmy almost never makes it to the end, but imo they currently last a bit longer than previously. Still very 50-50 though.

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

March 27 2016 20:37 GMT

#3382

On March 27 2016 20:50 disformation wrote:
Thanks for the advise. Making a Vasal out of Haixi sounds like a good idea, unfortunately Korchin declare on them most of the time once I dispatched the Haixi army, so that would drag me to war with Korchin right of the bat. So that would be another thing I need to get lucky with. Will try if get the chance though. Also raze everything. Noted.

In my (successful) Ideas Guy run Ming collapsed like 1470, but they made it until the very end in some of my other games lately. So currently Ming is somewhat stable imo. Of course they never collapse early when I am playing in the Chinese area...

Timmy almost never makes it to the end, but imo they currently last a bit longer than previously. Still very 50-50 though.

if nothing else occupy haixi until korchin peaces out then kill them
if youre playing jianzhou you should be able to ally korchin call them in vs haixi then use your army to beat yeren though

419

Russian Federation3631 Posts

March 29 2016 02:36 GMT

#3383

Some random thoughts about hyper-expansive Europe play.

It always comes down to the ottomans, and it seems worth it to make extremely dicey plays early on to take them out (we're talking no-CB vassalize BYZ). They are the one player in Europe you can abuse and no one will care about. Great geography, too -> take out Ottomans, take out Africa, Persia, India, the world.

Muscovy is always a nice 2nd choice, but I wouldn't spare a no-CB on them.

There's beating up Iberia (who are more isolated from Christendom than most), but that is extremely contingent on having a French alliance and inevitably if you chew up too much of Iberia the French will rival and now you're sitting on a rival with more than -50 AE against you - instant coalition bait. It's not too bad if you have other backup allies but coalitions are costly to deal with.

edit: Apparently you there are start diplo configurations where you can call Genoa into war with Byzantium promising land with the first no-CB. Interesting.

419

Russian Federation3631 Posts

April 01 2016 01:49 GMT

#3384

Supporting independence while in truce is pretty stupid.

It's extremely annoying knowing that Paradox's method of QA is primarily aimed at catching exploits (and not testing whether the features actually work), and thus one ends up with horrifically broken features like transfer occupation, promise land, and support independence.

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

April 01 2016 02:07 GMT

#3385

can you tell us why they are broken? i don't know what's broken about them or not.

419

Russian Federation3631 Posts

April 01 2016 05:00 GMT

#3386

here's just a few I can come up with off the top of my head

transfer occupation:

*allies will often transfer occupation to your vassals, even when the vassal can't core the land, or will transfer occupation to random people's colonial nations

promise land:

*there's literally no way to know what land an ally will actually accept in a peace deal so promising land is like ally roulette

support independence:

*vassals don't mutually break support at <50% LD which means once you have an inter vassal alliance it will always be there
*countries you have a truce with can support independence

RvB

Netherlands6209 Posts

April 01 2016 10:06 GMT

#3387

It's a matter of priorities I guess. Playing with bugs and exploits is more annoying than the feature not working 100% right at the start.

Fildun

Netherlands4122 Posts

April 01 2016 16:14 GMT

#3388

I agree on the bugs but I don't agree on the exploits part at all. I personally enjoy it way more when I get to use a good feature that is abusable than a feature that isn't abusable but just annoying.

419

Russian Federation3631 Posts

April 03 2016 06:49 GMT

#3389

not even 1600 and no more eligible rivals anymore (2700~ dev + ~1500 subject dev). Thanks Path for teaching me how to play this game: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/furor-barbarorum-–-1-15-1-gothic-invasion.913779/

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Germany8352 Posts

April 03 2016 14:29 GMT

#3390

On April 03 2016 15:49 419 wrote:
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Daaaaamn... wish I was this good. Will def. read Furor Barbarorum.

Finally was able to beat Ming and take Beijing. Pyramid of Skulls achieved.
Took me a metric fuckton of loans and mercs to do so though. Was a Mil. Tech ahead and was crushing their armies on advantageous terrains, but their sheer number of troops and manpower...
Kinda pissed that despite losing a bunch of provinces (also took those Manchu cores) in this war, Ming is still super stable atm.
Mongolia still holds a province I need to form Qing.
Will try to get blood for the sky god first though.

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

April 03 2016 19:53 GMT

#3391

On April 03 2016 23:29 disformation wrote:

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Daaaaamn... wish I was this good. Will def. read Furor Barbarorum.

the other hordes are pretty easy to beat tbh. i think you can just expand west till youre able to overpower them or they die to rebels from a random event or something, have to remember they must keep 50 autonomy in their provinces bc of mandate of heaven, so it c ould be a lot worse
esp since they start with like 1400 dev lol

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have ince killed most of uzbek, taken some of muscovy all of tlemcen mamluks + nadj
youre poor doing the wall off, but the sheer amount of provinces isnt bad

UPDATE : Whats the best way to crack europe?
I think if i can tackle all of Asia, then annex AQ i should be able to pure roll them once Autonomy starts ticking down, but at the present its not looking good

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Russian Federation3631 Posts

April 04 2016 19:12 GMT

#3392

depends on whether want to go full yolo or not. You can pick at pieces of Muscovy / Spain, vassal reconquest Lithuania out of Commonwealth (be careful, you only have 50 years to do this once commonwealth forms and you need to take a Lithuanian culture core in order to release Lithuania) - that won't trigger a coalition besides affected nations. Easier if you've allied France like most things in life are around that region as they are the main recipient of AE spillover in Iberia.

Full yolo, you'll probably want 600k+ filled force limit. I did full yolo here (basically in coalition range of the entire HRE + Sweden + all of Italy + PLC) but I had 100k allied troops in Florence + Bohemia, ~350 regiments myself and 100k subject troops. If you yolo you need to have a good sense about splitting your coalitions via truce timers though:

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The fact that you're already getting coaltiioned by India is concerning, because cross continent coalitions are gigantic pains to deal with.

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

April 05 2016 06:32 GMT

#3393

would it be plausible after ive conquered all of africa to annex AQ and release trebizond to wall off asia so i can start getting money from africa?

nimbim

Germany984 Posts

April 05 2016 09:36 GMT

#3394

It's possible of course, but I wouldn't want to do it. Unfortunately you have left Europe completely alone so far and Austria is super strong now. The sooner you find a way to weaken them, the better off you will be. At this point you're committed to grabbing Africa+Asia as quickly as possible.
Are you going for a one-tag? If that's the case you would want Vienna as early as possible, it would also prevent Austria from automatically growing that big. An easy way is to take 1 Styria core from Austria in a quick war against one of their allies and in a subsequent reconquest war give Vienna to Styria, integrate them and get Vienna with 0 separatism when you reach admin 10.
Furthermore, with admin tech 10 you should put everything into coring and only catch up in time for admin efficiency. The points that went into your admin tech 11+12 could have been cores in Europe in the direction of Vienna/Prague.

419

Russian Federation3631 Posts

April 05 2016 11:07 GMT

#3395

Feeding HRE vassals is really unreliable right now unless you destroyed the emperor IMO since they won't take overlord strength into account when deciding to accept unlawful territory I think.

RvB

Netherlands6209 Posts

April 05 2016 12:56 GMT

#3396

You should get into Europe Asap. What I did is attack southern France, take Wien and take of much of Musvocy as fast as you can. I played on a patch where AE was bugged though so I got a lot of it prerty fast.

nimbim

Germany984 Posts

April 05 2016 12:59 GMT

#3397

On April 05 2016 20:07 419 wrote:
Feeding HRE vassals is really unreliable right now unless you destroyed the emperor IMO since they won't take overlord strength into account when deciding to accept unlawful territory I think.

It's bothersome, but you just need to stay at war until the vassal has finished coring, then they will ignore the unlawful territory demand.

Yurie

11841 Posts

April 05 2016 16:14 GMT

#3398

Anything in Mare Nostrum warranting getting it?