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On March 18 2016 15:46 arb wrote:
prolly have to restart my basileius run, since mamluks blobbed out of control and tech means nothing apparently.
2 military techs ahead double numbers, still lose even with a terrain advantage
okay
they are hella strong, would i be able to stall out and beat them with tech eventually?
bc they are fuckin huge and no one can even contest fighting them :S
Lower tech group units are stronger in the early game. Just have to wait it out.
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playing with no allies in the HRE is pretty scary (it sucks to be on the opposite end of a dogpile lol), and its only going to get worse.
First game in a long while I've slammed on military focus with no hesitation.
What ideas should I be looking at? I almost think it has to be a military idea. I am going to run multiple marches but feeding HRE princes is .. unstable.
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On March 21 2016 22:55 419 wrote:playing with no allies in the HRE is pretty scary (it sucks to be on the opposite end of a dogpile lol), and its only going to get worse. First game in a long while I've slammed on military focus with no hesitation. What ideas should I be looking at? I almost think it has to be a military idea. I am going to run multiple marches but feeding HRE princes is .. unstable.
good to see that someone else is playing East Frisia as well. I thought I was the only one (I was born and raised there).
Though playing without allies at all seems crazy, how do you stop the Emperor from killing you every time you attack anyone at all? Were you able to join the HRE without allying the emperor?
I don't think I'm nearly as good as you at this game but I would go offensive first, I think it gives the most army improvements per military points in the beginning. Or maybe Quantity and only get the first 2 ideas of that group as they are the most important anyway and then focus on military tech again
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yes, you can join without allying the emperor. Just need ~105 opinion. I think unless Denmark gets destroyed early on and you get very lucky (i.e. Munster solo DOWs you without allies), one would need a lot of restarts to play without joining the HRE - wars where you are outnumbered are winnable but being able to park your troops in only one province makes it too tricky (not sure if defensive wars exile you if you are sitting in a country with military access).
I like offensive too but its very hard to compete early against nations that open defensive, and a lot of german minors prefer that idea group.
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On March 21 2016 22:55 419 wrote:playing with no allies in the HRE is pretty scary (it sucks to be on the opposite end of a dogpile lol), and its only going to get worse. First game in a long while I've slammed on military focus with no hesitation. What ideas should I be looking at? I almost think it has to be a military idea. I am going to run multiple marches but feeding HRE princes is .. unstable.
they always accept unlawful territory, unless youre emperor i dont think its plausible
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Fuck regency councils man. Why do I always get the 0/1/0 one and the Ottomans the 6/4/6 one.
My guy is 65 years old, my heir is a 25 year old 3/2/4, I'm lining up a couple nice wars but then first my heir dies and 2 months later my ruler.
Can't even spend my time vassalizing either, everybody hates me.
Anyway, somebody got some advice on the 80 years war start as the Netherlands? (other than restart 50 times and try to get lucky :p)
Also, for some reason they in the HRE at that start but when you form them from an earlier start they leave it, doesn't make much sense to me.
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I just alt-f4 without hesitation when getting long regencied. Bad mechanic and I've never seen a dev defend the mechanic.
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On March 23 2016 20:19 419 wrote:
I just alt-f4 without hesitation when getting long regencied. Bad mechanic and I've never seen a dev defend the mechanic.
idk ive had it become unavoidable, ruler like 73 heir like 1 or 2
nothing you can do in that situation tbh.
id like to see a family tree like in total war games or something
cause surely after having like 50 royal marriages at once one of them produced a kid
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Yeah there are some mechanics that are fun because they mix things up when you're probably dominating (comet, peasants war in early game) or help you when you aren't, but regencies bring basically nothing to the game but bad things.
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How are you getting elected emperor as Lithuania? the -50 malus is hard to beat -_-.
without that id have all 6 votes easily.
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Yeah, but is possible. Make sure You get any +diplomatic reputation You can get. Be VERY careful about expanding towards HRE (because of - from agressive expansion - and i actually find it harder to connect to HRE by land bridge without losing emperorship than getting one in first place). Also high prestige/legitimacy is a must.
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On March 25 2016 18:04 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah, but is possible. Make sure You get any +diplomatic reputation You can get. Be VERY careful about expanding towards HRE (because of - from agressive expansion - and i actually find it harder to connect to HRE by land bridge without losing emperorship than getting one in first place). Also high prestige/legitimacy is a must.
Managed to get lucky with my rivals, first time in forever hungary didnt rival me so i could ally them + bohemia and shit on poland for the union
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On March 23 2016 07:53 Fildun wrote:
Fuck regency councils man. Why do I always get the 0/1/0 one and the Ottomans the 6/4/6 one.
My guy is 65 years old, my heir is a 25 year old 3/2/4, I'm lining up a couple nice wars but then first my heir dies and 2 months later my ruler.
Can't even spend my time vassalizing either, everybody hates me.
Anyway, somebody got some advice on the 80 years war start as the Netherlands? (other than restart 50 times and try to get lucky :p)
Also, for some reason they in the HRE at that start but when you form them from an earlier start they leave it, doesn't make much sense to me.
recently had a game where ~1450 literally 1 month before my ruler in his thirties died he got a child. that was fun <.<
On March 25 2016 15:19 Chocolate wrote:
Yeah there are some mechanics that are fun because they mix things up when you're probably dominating (comet, peasants war in early game) or help you when you aren't, but regencies bring basically nothing to the game but bad things.
Wouldn't say that it adds nothing or doesn't mix thing up, early France in a ten years regency can completely change the game.
It doesn't add a lot of interesting things outside of x years of truce with everyone though.
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Trying to get Manchurian Candidate but how the fuck am i supposed to beat the ming?
like holy shit man
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On March 26 2016 17:22 arb wrote:
Trying to get Manchurian Candidate but how the fuck am i supposed to beat the ming?
like holy shit man
Your units are stronger than Ming's, he also often has issues with revolts etc. You do need to move quickly at the start before he vassalizes / eats Korea and too much of the northern tribes though as you need their provinces yourself to be able to compete. Also, there's a gold mine in Buryatia if I remember correctly, that helps a lot.
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Struggling with The Manchurian Candidate myself. Last three attempts ended with Korea (+their ally Ming) declaring on me just a bit after having formed Manchu.
One problem is that my only ally Oirat gets beaten super hard, while I am recovering or in the process of besting up yeren. Could also be a bit smarter in using the instant cores from forming manchu. Also probably not using Raze enough. Raze feels super counter intuitive to me, so my horde unity is pretty much horde ununity all the time.
Strat so far is to start as jianzhou, instantly declare and fully annex haixi. wait for cores/manpower/good opportunity and eat yeren.
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On March 26 2016 22:31 disformation wrote:
Struggling with The Manchurian Candidate myself. Last three attempts ended with Korea (+their ally Ming) declaring on me just a bit after having formed Manchu.
One problem is that my only ally Oirat gets beaten super hard, while I am recovering or in the process of besting up yeren. Could also be a bit smarter in using the instant cores from forming manchu. Also probably not using Raze enough. Raze feels super counter intuitive to me, so my horde unity is pretty much horde ununity all the time.
Strat so far is to start as jianzhou, instantly declare and fully annex haixi. wait for cores/manpower/good opportunity and eat yeren.
when i did it i vassalized haixi then turned on yeren and full annex
then use your vassal to beat up on korchin, oirat usually a worthless ally though
i think you need to somehow beat ming early and take the cores you need or something, otherwise they get real big
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On March 26 2016 22:31 disformation wrote:
Struggling with The Manchurian Candidate myself. Last three attempts ended with Korea (+their ally Ming) declaring on me just a bit after having formed Manchu.
One problem is that my only ally Oirat gets beaten super hard, while I am recovering or in the process of besting up yeren. Could also be a bit smarter in using the instant cores from forming manchu. Also probably not using Raze enough. Raze feels super counter intuitive to me, so my horde unity is pretty much horde ununity all the time.
Strat so far is to start as jianzhou, instantly declare and fully annex haixi. wait for cores/manpower/good opportunity and eat yeren.
Raze everything you can, it's extremely good (read broken). Esp. the military points are invaluable.
Maybe not gold mines, but i can hardly think of anything else where you shouldn't.
Also yeah Ming goes from crazy strong to absolutely nothing in five seconds and it's 90% luck. So you either outblobb them or just repeat until you get a good start.
Ming collapsed in my most recent game roughly at 1470, but in most games they stay on top.
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On March 27 2016 09:22 Blackfeather wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 22:31 disformation wrote:
Struggling with The Manchurian Candidate myself. Last three attempts ended with Korea (+their ally Ming) declaring on me just a bit after having formed Manchu.
One problem is that my only ally Oirat gets beaten super hard, while I am recovering or in the process of besting up yeren. Could also be a bit smarter in using the instant cores from forming manchu. Also probably not using Raze enough. Raze feels super counter intuitive to me, so my horde unity is pretty much horde ununity all the time.
Strat so far is to start as jianzhou, instantly declare and fully annex haixi. wait for cores/manpower/good opportunity and eat yeren. Raze everything you can, it's extremely good (read broken). Esp. the military points are invaluable. Maybe not gold mines, but i can hardly think of anything else where you shouldn't. Also yeah Ming goes from crazy strong to absolutely nothing in five seconds and it's 90% luck. So you either outblobb them or just repeat until you get a good start. Ming collapsed in my most recent game roughly at 1470, but in most games they stay on top.
they made it harder for them to collapse, and also timurids too it seems.
havent seen them implode in ages
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On March 27 2016 10:18 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 09:22 Blackfeather wrote:On March 26 2016 22:31 disformation wrote:
Struggling with The Manchurian Candidate myself. Last three attempts ended with Korea (+their ally Ming) declaring on me just a bit after having formed Manchu.
One problem is that my only ally Oirat gets beaten super hard, while I am recovering or in the process of besting up yeren. Could also be a bit smarter in using the instant cores from forming manchu. Also probably not using Raze enough. Raze feels super counter intuitive to me, so my horde unity is pretty much horde ununity all the time.
Strat so far is to start as jianzhou, instantly declare and fully annex haixi. wait for cores/manpower/good opportunity and eat yeren. Raze everything you can, it's extremely good (read broken). Esp. the military points are invaluable. Maybe not gold mines, but i can hardly think of anything else where you shouldn't. Also yeah Ming goes from crazy strong to absolutely nothing in five seconds and it's 90% luck. So you either outblobb them or just repeat until you get a good start. Ming collapsed in my most recent game roughly at 1470, but in most games they stay on top. they made it harder for them to collapse, and also timurids too it seems. havent seen them implode in ages
Still a huge coinflip, just played a match where they again imploded around 1450. But yeah they seem a lot more stable on average and seem even to survive until lategame sometimes.
Haven't seen a successful timmy in a while.
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