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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11993 Posts
March 05 2016 21:55 GMT
#3321
Is there any way to turn into a horde? TTM should be possible if there is, since you can get the points needed then. Still very hard even if that is possible.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-05 23:44:16
March 05 2016 23:43 GMT
#3322
I don't think so. The are no decisions to become a horde afaik and there are no "horde" rebels. Don't think any of the formable nations is a horde after forming either.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 05 2016 23:49 GMT
#3323
I think Manchu is the only formable horde but yeah nothing if you start as Ryuku.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 06 2016 06:53 GMT
#3324
been walling off and coring africa, so nice to core mamluk shit for like 15 admin lolol.

once you have a port and can core it all its like whatevs
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-06 22:11:05
March 06 2016 22:10 GMT
#3325
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/305488301217876311/6CCB542F18B62CFA54AEFBE9E9B63C449A06BCD9/


should WC be possible like this? granted its still early and a lot of land
have been using vassals to block off the world and give me hella reduced coring(83% lololol) for africa and india area
pretty legit
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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-06 22:41:00
March 06 2016 22:40 GMT
#3326
Next time you play Ottomans make your Syria like this:

[image loading]

You wasted a lot of admin points and time coring a lot of that land and getting a second vassal. Also once you conquer Haasa and Hejaz you will no longer get a coring reduction in Africa because Arabia isn't blocked off from your capital.

You might still be able to do a WC though, what idea groups have you taken so far?
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 06 2016 22:46 GMT
#3327
that is crazy
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-06 22:58:03
March 06 2016 22:50 GMT
#3328
On March 07 2016 07:40 ZeroChrome wrote:
Next time you play Ottomans make your Syria like this:

[image loading]

You wasted a lot of admin points and time coring a lot of that land and getting a second vassal. Also once you conquer Haasa and Hejaz you will no longer get a coring reduction in Africa because Arabia isn't blocked off from your capital.

You might still be able to do a WC though, what idea groups have you taken so far?

wait does that work?
how do you get reduced cost in muscovy? I have trebizond blocking the mountains but dont get the reduced cost for it

also taken humanist(obv) and quantity atm.

ive came to notice the quality of your troops isnt the problem so id rather have more so i can chain war constantly tbh
could i do that with Aq Qonyulu too? It doesnt have to be syria right, plus they are a lot easier to force vassal imo
oh i didnt actually core most of that, i had AQ as a vassal blocking that off and diplo annexed them.
i admit this is my first time doing this wall off thing

ALSO, is there a way to block europe? would i need to vassal Wallachia and snake them around to block everything off?
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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
March 06 2016 23:19 GMT
#3329
I think you could just vassalize AQ and give them the land but Syria has cores on a lot of stuff so its easier for them to take plus you get the CBs.

You can't get reduced coring cost in the Caucasus region because its considered part of Europe. Look in the region mapmode and only take the land south of the Europe-Asia border.

In order to get that reduced cost in Europe you have to move your capital back to Asia. It has to be isolated in order to move it to another continent so you need to release nations (cant be vassals I think?) and then have it blocked off completely from the European region.

Humanist + quantity works, especially if you cba to micromanage attrition, but offensive works better for a WC attempt because it will give you a policy that reduces unrest and separatism, not to mention the siege ability is a godsend.

Also did you core Greece when you conquered Byzantium or did you give it to a vassal and diploannex? That can speed up your first national idea by a lot.


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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 06 2016 23:25 GMT
#3330
On March 07 2016 08:19 ZeroChrome wrote:
I think you could just vassalize AQ and give them the land but Syria has cores on a lot of stuff so its easier for them to take plus you get the CBs.

You can't get reduced coring cost in the Caucasus region because its considered part of Europe. Look in the region mapmode and only take the land south of the Europe-Asia border.

In order to get that reduced cost in Europe you have to move your capital back to Asia. It has to be isolated in order to move it to another continent so you need to release nations (cant be vassals I think?) and then have it blocked off completely from the European region.

Humanist + quantity works, especially if you cba to micromanage attrition, but offensive works better for a WC attempt because it will give you a policy that reduces unrest and separatism, not to mention the siege ability is a godsend.

Also did you core Greece when you conquered Byzantium or did you give it to a vassal and diploannex? That can speed up your first national idea by a lot.



i released Morea and sold them uhh atina? I actually think thats the best play bc that shit is like 700 admin to core
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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
March 11 2016 02:23 GMT
#3331
My least favourite mechanic in this game has got to be "you cannot core this province because you are at war with someone else who has a core there". Just had to white peace Vijayanagar a few months after attacking them to keep my country from imploding to 100%+ OE events.

This is in 1545. Every country in India except Vijayanagar is 100% occupied, just waiting on OE. Asia stayed pretty much blob free except for Ming thankfully; in my last attempt all of Asia basically got swallowed by a Mewar-Bahmanis-Jaunpur-Oirat-Ming superblobcluster. The Commonwealth has a PU over France though RIP Europe.
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419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 03:32:55
March 11 2016 03:32 GMT
#3332
this is why catholic ottomans I think is strongest as you can reliably maintain +3 stab midgame. Every point of stab is another 20% over OE cap that you can safely take.

I suppose unify decision is pretty good, but catholic ottomans also has catholic empire and hofgericht going for it
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Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
March 11 2016 08:03 GMT
#3333
I prefer making a Syrian buffer state and a Mesopotamian one at the same time. It's really easy to conquer all of East Africa in one go. In my latest ottoman game I pushed from the south of the mamluks to right outside of mutapa in I think 40 years? Then just annex Syria. You won't have all of north africa by the time that happens but you can just not take one of those worthless 3 development tuareg provinces to get the colony coring discount. This way you don't have to wait for all of Asia to be conquered to start enjoying the benefits of your african provinces.

You can also leave QQ in Grane and whatever province is on the iranian side of hormuz as whatever nation they were so that you get arabia when you annex syria too.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
March 11 2016 08:55 GMT
#3334
Yes I did the same thing. You can keep a vassal for tunisia etc. to get the decreased coring for the rest of Africa. I also went into Muscovy via Crimea without linking it to the rest of my country. That way when you get into Asia you can expand into it in 2 ways with decreased coring cost.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 09:33:02
March 11 2016 09:25 GMT
#3335
trying Gothic Invasion. Rules - no allying lucky nations or Lithuania. Have Khorasan and that country torn out of Lithuania as vassals + blocker vassal on Sibir.

[image loading]

Sunni, of course. I actually don't know how people do this as Orthodox, it makes the early game so horrific.

Our allies are Livonians (lol) and Hungary (20% cav combat tradition is so ridiculously good)
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 11 2016 18:54 GMT
#3336
On March 11 2016 18:25 419 wrote:
trying Gothic Invasion. Rules - no allying lucky nations or Lithuania. Have Khorasan and that country torn out of Lithuania as vassals + blocker vassal on Sibir.

[image loading]

Sunni, of course. I actually don't know how people do this as Orthodox, it makes the early game so horrific.

Our allies are Livonians (lol) and Hungary (20% cav combat tradition is so ridiculously good)

I wish they'd do something to make Orthodox not so..awful
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 11 2016 19:17 GMT
#3337
Did they change something about it? It used to be pretty decent, but a lot of religions just sucked. There is the issue of the bonus only applying in orthodox provinces but -3 revolt risk is pretty damn good.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 22:44:40
March 11 2016 22:42 GMT
#3338
Orthodox is actually pretty good in a vacuum, its just when Sunni hordelands are your only viable expansion target, its really hard to justify not flipping to Sunni. Estates+inquisitor make converting accepted culture Sunnis without religious viable but its still really hard and you guarantee a revolt.

Well, tax income importance also got buffed a fair bit in importance in recent patches so that's another knock on Orthodox, but being able to manually lower autonomy with max PA is pretty good.
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nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
March 12 2016 13:45 GMT
#3339
Obviously the 90 trust ally is my only possible rival.
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419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 18:01:03
March 12 2016 17:56 GMT
#3340
[image loading]

this is a crazy good start, its pretty much a world domination in the bag. Muscovy, Poland, and Denmark all hate each other, and have fought two incredibly costly wars for fairly little gain

Culture shifting to Ruthenian to get the easier free westernization is pretty stupid, but it beats invading the HRE for Wien/Prague.

Also, new feature where you can call in protectorates to overseas wars is really powerful. Use your protectorates to help you protectorate bigger countries, and within a few wars you have 100k+ troops to fight your overseas wars.
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