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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 14 2016 07:32 GMT
#3201
is there any way to beat the ottomans?
see them in a war far away check ledger, only 70k units me + poland got this
as soon as i declare war their entire army is there

what?
they had been at war for almost a year and were still at war when i peaced out
wtf.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 14 2016 07:58 GMT
#3202
control bosporus strait, separate them in half
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6211 Posts
January 14 2016 08:44 GMT
#3203
That and don't fight them early game. They're ridiculously strong at that time but they fall off in the late game.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-14 10:53:08
January 14 2016 09:12 GMT
#3204
If you have any ambitions in the Mediterranean or the Baltic Sea area, don't bother with trade ships. They'll just fill up supply that you need for transports and galleys (that cost half and fight twice as good in inland seas) and the trade power they give is negligible. A center of trade/estuary province with a marketplace gives about as much trade power as 8-10 light ships (with mercantilism). So rather be stronger (and cheaper) at sea and get the trade power through wars (where your light ships would probably not be trading anyways).

Ottomans are pretty much France in a different color. You have to hit them as early and as hard as possible. Once France gets Elan + Defensive Ideas 2 you're in trouble, for Ottomans it's once they get their cores back, a mil tech lead (5/5/6 king), their superior early game units and the Janissaries event. The early mil techs often include the oh so important tactics upgrade so a mil tech 5-6 Ottoman army will just shredder an equal size Polish/Lithuanian (who are eastern tech and start with a 4-4-1 king) army with mil tech 4-5.

When playing in Europe the best way to crush the Ottomans I have found is to take Byzantium before them. The area is so rich and the bonus the Ottomans get from taking it is so big that it's even worth a noCb war. For the first years everyone is on mil tech 3 so they have no advantage there. Get a big ally (Austria and Poland are best, a combination of Aragon/Castille/France/Venice is fine too), vassalize Byzantium and either get dragged into a defensive war with Otto or just declare for Byzantine cores. Anatolia is very rich itself and if you leave them alone they can still blob, but at least they're manageable and might even crumble to Mamluks/Qara.

edit: blocking the Bosporus does not work since 1.14
"It is no longer possible to block a strait for an army whose war allies control both sides of that strait."
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6211 Posts
January 14 2016 13:29 GMT
#3205
...that when you're at -3 stability and get the comet event, you are now drained of 100 ADM. Because apparently your bureaucracy suffers when comets.

Screw you Paradox.

forum.paradoxplaza.com
Comet event best event!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 14 2016 14:40 GMT
#3206
When you get those missions to give you imperial authority, are they supposed to add it to the HRE tab thing?
cause none of them work for me
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-14 15:15:19
January 14 2016 15:14 GMT
#3207
ottomans pretty much dunk anyone before tech 15

pip advantage + 6 mil ruler + janissary modifer + fairly early cavshock bonus
?
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 14 2016 15:39 GMT
#3208
Yeah I forgot that in my last game, almost got rekt even though I had 5 shock general, quality ideas and a national idea that gave +20% cav combat ability.
I just wanted to white peace them but still lost 50k manpower.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 14 2016 15:44 GMT
#3209
I've been trying an ironman Portugal game on the new patch. Seems not much has changed. I usually declare on Castille asap with either Aragon or both France and Aragon as allies. I take Sevilla for trading power, La Mancha for the gold mine, the Canaries to block colonization, and make Leon a subject and feed it provinces for diplo-annex. I also sell Ceuta and ignore Africa. I then expand to the Caribbeans asap, then Mexico for the gold mines, then Gold Coast/Benin, down to Cape. Start another war with Castille and take more provinces. Then expand to Zanzibar/Mozambique, to Goa, to Asia, spice islands, etc.

At this point I'm unsure of the best way to proceed. I've tried conquering India, but there are so many forts and it takes so long to even get a couple provinces, all of them have high development though, and the trade nodes are valuable. I haven't tried expanding to Italy, which seems like a better choice. Peru/Columbia have some gold mines, but the trade nodes aren't worth much. China is too powerful and too far. England is doable, but takes time. I don't wanna eat Aragon since then I'd get border tension with France. Any suggestions?
iaretehnoob
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden741 Posts
January 14 2016 16:28 GMT
#3210
Just read the new dev diary. RIP hordes, thanks 419
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
January 14 2016 17:16 GMT
#3211
At least with the Ottomans early on you only have to fuck their shit up really hard one time to send them into a death spiral, unlike France and Austria.
Forward
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
January 14 2016 17:32 GMT
#3212
On January 15 2016 00:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I've been trying an ironman Portugal game on the new patch. Seems not much has changed. I usually declare on Castille asap with either Aragon or both France and Aragon as allies. I take Sevilla for trading power, La Mancha for the gold mine, the Canaries to block colonization, and make Leon a subject and feed it provinces for diplo-annex. I also sell Ceuta and ignore Africa. I then expand to the Caribbeans asap, then Mexico for the gold mines, then Gold Coast/Benin, down to Cape. Start another war with Castille and take more provinces. Then expand to Zanzibar/Mozambique, to Goa, to Asia, spice islands, etc.

At this point I'm unsure of the best way to proceed. I've tried conquering India, but there are so many forts and it takes so long to even get a couple provinces, all of them have high development though, and the trade nodes are valuable. I haven't tried expanding to Italy, which seems like a better choice. Peru/Columbia have some gold mines, but the trade nodes aren't worth much. China is too powerful and too far. England is doable, but takes time. I don't wanna eat Aragon since then I'd get border tension with France. Any suggestions?


Getting full controll of zanzibar and the east indies gives a huge income boost.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
January 14 2016 18:23 GMT
#3213
On January 15 2016 01:28 iaretehnoob wrote:
Just read the new dev diary. RIP hordes, thanks 419

there are workarounds but it does suck for people who don't know the weird ways of getting around province modifiers
?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 14 2016 21:52 GMT
#3214
how the hell are you supposed to play the timurids?
cant get horde unity cause everything is shit, cant take too much of india bc of coalitions
i released persia as a vassal which was ehh idk.

was razing every province and using all the diplo to convert culture so i wouldnt get rebels
which was annoying
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-14 23:44:43
January 14 2016 23:34 GMT
#3215
On January 15 2016 03:23 419 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 01:28 iaretehnoob wrote:
Just read the new dev diary. RIP hordes, thanks 419

there are workarounds but it does suck for people who don't know the weird ways of getting around province modifiers


Can you explain what that comment means?

Also, I've only played two games so far, both on ironman mode. First was as England and I made it to the 18th century with huge colonies but they all rebelled and I fractured to pieces and quit in frustration. Second was as Ottomans and I completed the game stretching from Vienna to India. So my question is: is France fun to play or is it too similar to Ottomans?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 14 2016 23:45 GMT
#3216
On January 15 2016 08:34 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 03:23 419 wrote:
On January 15 2016 01:28 iaretehnoob wrote:
Just read the new dev diary. RIP hordes, thanks 419

there are workarounds but it does suck for people who don't know the weird ways of getting around province modifiers


Can you explain what that comment means?

Also, I've only played two games so far, both on ironman mode. First was as England and I made it to the 18th century with huge colonies but they all rebelled and i fractured to pieces and quit in frustration. Second was as Ottomans and I completed the game stretching from Vienna to India. So my question is: Is France fun to play or is it too similar to Ottomans?

any game in eastern europe is usually pretty boring to me imo
you have so much AE to juggle it can lead to long periods of doing nothing.

plus the HRE
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 15 2016 00:25 GMT
#3217
You could try Lithuania maybe? Not an OP starting position but pretty strong, you can expand in every direction, you can do the league wars, you don't meet that many scary enemies till the 1600s, seems good for a newer player.
Well, as long as you can manage the wars against Muscovy that is.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 15 2016 01:14 GMT
#3218
after about 5 games i think i give up on the timurids

fuck that dumb ass shit country fuck fuck fuck fuck
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 15 2016 01:33 GMT
#3219
Aren't the Timurids supposed to be doomed to extinction?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 15 2016 05:33 GMT
#3220
try a portugal or venice game to get a feel for trade and colonization.
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