Artillery is always worth it when you have the money. They attck from the 2nd row so you do more damage and they also give half of their defense points to the unit in front of them. They're not essential though so if you don't have the money for it it's better to build regular units up to fl.

edit: this is about cannons in the early game obviously, after that they're essential.

WindWolf

Sweden11767 Posts

July 24 2015 12:08 GMT

#2844

Early game, I usually get as many cannons as my economy can support. But as time goes, cannons becomes more and more important.

Velr

Switzerland10830 Posts

July 24 2015 13:54 GMT

#2845

So i am pretty rich (+20g) at Tech 9 (Ottos)... So i kick all Ponys until i only have ~4 left and fill the army up with Cannons?

HUMMAN

Turkey61 Posts

July 24 2015 14:43 GMT

#2846

In Ottoman you do not need cannon rosh. Their cavalries are pretty strong in early - mid game.

Simberto

Germany11712 Posts

July 24 2015 15:17 GMT

#2847

Just hire an additional army instead. Force cap is not a hard cap, it just makes your forces more expensive. Thus, if you have too much money, you can just hire more dudes. Will probably be more useful than cannons at TL 9. Or build a fleet. Fleets are pretty useful. If you already have one, build a larger one. Or a second one.

nimbim

Germany985 Posts

July 24 2015 18:49 GMT

#2848

Can anyone still playing on 1.12 tell me if improve relations modifiers work properly? I've just noticed in my 1.13 game that they aren't.
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RvB

Netherlands6261 Posts

July 24 2015 18:58 GMT

#2849

I'm not sure but I think better relations kver time only affects the decay rate.

nimbim

Germany985 Posts

July 24 2015 19:00 GMT

#2850

Yes, that's exactly why I was stacking modifiers, but as you can see in my screenshot, the advisor and humanist ideas modifiers aren't applied.

Simberto

Germany11712 Posts

July 24 2015 19:27 GMT

#2851

Better relations over time has nothing to do with improve relations.

I know it is horribly formulated, but what "better relations over time" actually means is "bad relations effects go away quicker". So, for example, if you have bad relations with someone due to AE, that will go away quicker if your better relations over time is higher. Or if you have bad relations due to some other event that is shown as a negative modifier that ticks down, that will also go away quicker.

nimbim

Germany985 Posts

July 24 2015 19:37 GMT

#2852

Interesting, I had no idea those two are different. 120dip wasted on a policy that does nothing for me :'(

cythaze

830 Posts

July 24 2015 20:02 GMT

#2853

On July 25 2015 04:27 Simberto wrote:
Better relations over time has nothing to do with improve relations.

I know it is horribly formulated, but what "better relations over time" actually means is "bad relations effects go away quicker". So, for example, if you have bad relations with someone due to AE, that will go away quicker if your better relations over time is higher. Or if you have bad relations due to some other event that is shown as a negative modifier that ticks down, that will also go away quicker.

i think positive relation effects also go away slower

TerransHill

Germany572 Posts

July 25 2015 15:31 GMT

#2854

Can someone tell me why I can't give Icel to the knights who are my vassal? Its the same with all other provinces. They should be able to core it:

http://imgur.com/idIouOt

Silvanel

Poland4739 Posts

July 25 2015 16:59 GMT

#2855

Unless vassal have claim/core on province it gets -1000 modifier if it is outside of his culture group.

TerransHill

Germany572 Posts

July 25 2015 18:42 GMT

#2856

ok thanks

[UoN]Sentinel

United States11320 Posts

July 25 2015 18:44 GMT

#2857

I love this new warscore system, was kicking the Genoese out of the Black Sea, and now there is a small Russian strip of land on the Italian coast.

Sermokala

United States14073 Posts

July 25 2015 19:54 GMT

#2858

It's not worth it the first generation I don't think. They're really expensive on maintenence and would be better spent on mercs to win the manpower race.

TerransHill

Germany572 Posts

July 26 2015 10:50 GMT

#2859

another question:

My Papal match got pretty rough. I dont have a single ally left in the world and everybody hates me and joins coalitions.
I did not want to fight all of them at once so I declared on austria while I still had a truce with the others.

Then the truce went off and Poland allied Austria during my war. And now the strange thing: I can't separate peace out Poland! It says that they're in the coalition but that can't be true since they joined later and because Austria called them in.
What is that all about?

Skilledblob

Germany3392 Posts

July 26 2015 11:51 GMT

#2860

you cant seperate peace coalition members and because you were the agressor you fired the coalition and Austria was able to defensive call people into the coalition.