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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
June 15 2015 14:27 GMT
#2661
The Ai needs to ajust to the fort mechanic I agree but I don't think that should be a knock against the system. Wiz has been pretty good in the past about keeping the ai up to date with mechanics creep. I don't think hes on the EU team at the moment though.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
June 15 2015 14:39 GMT
#2662
On June 15 2015 23:27 Sermokala wrote:
The Ai needs to ajust to the fort mechanic I agree but I don't think that should be a knock against the system. Wiz has been pretty good in the past about keeping the ai up to date with mechanics creep. I don't think hes on the EU team at the moment though.

Isn't he the project lead? I watch some Arumba occasionally and he always talks how he's in contact with Wiz who is in charge of EU4.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
June 15 2015 14:40 GMT
#2663
On June 15 2015 21:45 Silvanel wrote:
You think 80k AI stacks dying of attrition because they cant get past fort is ok? Sry it was way better before. At least AI was bugging a lot less.

Did I say that somewhere? That the AI isn't dealing well with the mechanic yet doesn't mean you should change the mechanic so it will basically be how it was.

The AI needs an update the fort mechanic how it is is fine.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
June 15 2015 14:48 GMT
#2664
On June 15 2015 23:39 Don_Julio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 23:27 Sermokala wrote:
The Ai needs to ajust to the fort mechanic I agree but I don't think that should be a knock against the system. Wiz has been pretty good in the past about keeping the ai up to date with mechanics creep. I don't think hes on the EU team at the moment though.

Isn't he the project lead? I watch some Arumba occasionally and he always talks how he's in contact with Wiz who is in charge of EU4.

Wiz is the Ai lead at paradox. He gets shuffled around to different projects to work his magic He contacts a lot of community people to ask about how the ai works according to them (which is more important then how it works to him oddly enough) I think hes with CK right now.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12079 Posts
June 15 2015 19:55 GMT
#2665
On June 15 2015 23:48 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2015 23:39 Don_Julio wrote:
On June 15 2015 23:27 Sermokala wrote:
The Ai needs to ajust to the fort mechanic I agree but I don't think that should be a knock against the system. Wiz has been pretty good in the past about keeping the ai up to date with mechanics creep. I don't think hes on the EU team at the moment though.

Isn't he the project lead? I watch some Arumba occasionally and he always talks how he's in contact with Wiz who is in charge of EU4.

Wiz is the Ai lead at paradox. He gets shuffled around to different projects to work his magic He contacts a lot of community people to ask about how the ai works according to them (which is more important then how it works to him oddly enough) I think hes with CK right now.


He probably sees the flaws and good points better then them. That doesn't mean he sees what is fun in a better way then them. It also doesn't mean he understands the game around it well enough to see what is actually usable or not. Can have a huge AI flaw that isn't possible to exploit due to how things actually mesh in game.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 15 2015 19:57 GMT
#2666
I think forts blocking movement is interesting. You can't chase armies across the entire continent anymore and stackwipe them that easily when there are forts blocking your path; I think it encourages large scale battles over smashing small siege armies.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
June 17 2015 14:03 GMT
#2667
First one-tag wc already done in the new patch with Ottomans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/3a1ip1/the_world_on_a_stick_112_onetag_world_conquest/

I think I'll try one as well this time.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-17 16:25:51
June 17 2015 16:25 GMT
#2668
I'm attempting Milan WC (domination to be accurate) right now.

I do have some exploits up my sleeve though.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-17 17:39:31
June 17 2015 17:39 GMT
#2669
Post your progress here if you're up for it. I'd like to see it.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-17 23:11:06
June 17 2015 21:08 GMT
#2670
I might have gotten screwed on claim fabrication luck, you need to fabricate a lot of claims for this to work. Here's when things start coming together though:

[image loading]

You take all this stuff yourself and you'd normally guarantee yourself a massive coalition. But what I am doing is feeding a vassal of my vassal (it's kind of tricky to get one of those as the game really tries hard not to let you. But there are at least three ways which I know about). It doesn't cost any AE on your part to do this unlike feeding your own direct vassal.

I didn't actually check whether I paid the diplomatic power cost for doing this, in previous patches the country receiving it paid the DIP but that's actually kind of problematic if this isn't DIP-free.

edit: it seems to be dip-free
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
June 18 2015 07:36 GMT
#2671
Oh wow never knew about that. How do you get vassals of vassals?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 08:21:24
June 18 2015 08:20 GMT
#2672
you have your vassal full annex someone with a vassal.

[image loading]

I should be able to take out the pope in 2 more wars, going to be hitting castile next as well. Allied up with France and Austria, Austria lost emperorship so they'll be fine beating up Empire members with me. Diplomatic first, administrative is next up, really sucks that I won't be able to form Italy but what can you do.

Lucca is my vassal and Mantua is vassal of vassal.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4747 Posts
June 18 2015 10:03 GMT
#2673
Is it me or is Austria losing emperors seat a lot easier since common sense? Also is swag 100 thousand 1000 provnices in 100 years? Thats really swag.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
June 18 2015 10:22 GMT
#2674
On June 18 2015 19:03 Silvanel wrote:
Is it me or is Austria losing emperors seat a lot easier since common sense? Also is swag 100 thousand 1000 provnices in 100 years? Thats really swag.


I've only seen Austria keep the HRE throne once in 4 games I played post-update. Had Saxony voted in twice, both times before the Burgundy implosion and eventually inheriting their lands. France then promptly proceeded to roflstomp through HRE both times D:
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
June 18 2015 12:15 GMT
#2675
Just bought CS, tried launching the game, EU4 stopped working. OK I need a reinstall. I delete local content through steam and reinstall. EU4 stopped working. OK I need to delete all the content and do a clean reinstall. I delete all folders involved and reinstall. EU4 stopped working.

Love this game
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
June 18 2015 12:23 GMT
#2676
Delete your mods.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
June 18 2015 17:15 GMT
#2677
On June 18 2015 17:20 419 wrote:
you have your vassal full annex someone with a vassal.

[image loading]

I should be able to take out the pope in 2 more wars, going to be hitting castile next as well. Allied up with France and Austria, Austria lost emperorship so they'll be fine beating up Empire members with me. Diplomatic first, administrative is next up, really sucks that I won't be able to form Italy but what can you do.

Lucca is my vassal and Mantua is vassal of vassal.

How does it work with liberty desire? Do they rebel a lot or is it no problem at all?

Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 18 2015 21:08 GMT
#2678
Not a fan of Common Sense at all. Probably going to stick to pre-update EU4 for quite a while now. Development system is half-assed and shallow, fort system is a good idea but makes the game a lot less fun, nerfs to expansion make the game just boring. Only thing I like is the trade system change and that coring can be more viable now
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
June 18 2015 22:31 GMT
#2679
On June 19 2015 02:15 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 17:20 419 wrote:
you have your vassal full annex someone with a vassal.

[image loading]

I should be able to take out the pope in 2 more wars, going to be hitting castile next as well. Allied up with France and Austria, Austria lost emperorship so they'll be fine beating up Empire members with me. Diplomatic first, administrative is next up, really sucks that I won't be able to form Italy but what can you do.

Lucca is my vassal and Mantua is vassal of vassal.

How does it work with liberty desire? Do they rebel a lot or is it no problem at all?


long version:

There used to be a vassal exploit where you could play vassals in ironman with ridiculous amounts of starting money using the template to build galleys way over force limit. The best was Lebanon released from Syria released from Mamluks which could start with over 900k ducats. Well it turns out that Lebanon cannot DOW anyone, ever - it needs to DOW Syria for independence but since Syria itself is a subject it needs to actually DOW Mamluks. But the game doesn't let you declare on anyone but your direct overlord (+ the independence CB is on Syria and AI will never declare no-CB wars)

short version:

subjects of subjects cannot declare war, ever.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4747 Posts
June 19 2015 08:28 GMT
#2680
On June 19 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
Not a fan of Common Sense at all. Probably going to stick to pre-update EU4 for quite a while now. Development system is half-assed and shallow, fort system is a good idea but makes the game a lot less fun, nerfs to expansion make the game just boring. Only thing I like is the trade system change and that coring can be more viable now


So Your experience has been similiar to mine. I like that there is some way i can spend my excess monarch points (developments) put this system causes coring costs to sky rocket. OPMs and small countries spend shittton of points on developments and now coring them even early in the game with claim and adminstrtion ides often gets around 300.

Fort systems needs a lot of love. Also the buildings - i would love to see some more options and more variance.

I think the gain from developments should scale up with level just as the cost is. Right now there is no incentive to develop rich provinces over the poor.
Pathetic Greta hater.
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