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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4707 Posts
January 19 2015 16:38 GMT
#2181
Well i used google before i asked, checked wiki and even asked on parodox forums. W8ing for reply there. I kind think that its a lost cause, and best what i can get is broke their union. Just wanted to check if anyone had this problem before and knows the answer.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
January 19 2015 16:48 GMT
#2182
Seems like a bug. I know 90% sure that if the union is not currently under you it won't suddenly get under you just by winning the war. Previously you had to select ''form union'' in the peace deal. If that's not an option then I don't know what's going on.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 19 2015 17:11 GMT
#2183
Yeah, if you are already at war it probally won't "update" your war and you are stuck with your old one, with the old wargoal.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 17:14:19
January 19 2015 17:14 GMT
#2184
problem is that you are already at war with the target of the PU (Aragon over Castille If I understood you correctly). The CB you used was Conquest, which does not give you the option to PU another country. Normally once you go to war (click on the popup) over the PU it will start another war, which would give you the option of PU'ing Castille. Since you are already at war with Aragon the game cannot simulate another war starting between the two countries, making the option to PU Castille unobtainable for you. Best you can do in this case is indeed to just break the PU between them.

TLDR: Succession war cannot start since you are already at war with Aragon --> No option to PU Castille

edit: dat ninja right above :/
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11409 Posts
January 20 2015 00:00 GMT
#2185
So, i have a question here, because i am apparently missing a part of a puzzle here.

I am GB rather late in a game, it is ~1750. So i started doing random shit to see what happens. I conquered some shit in middle europe, and created a client state out of it. Then i conquered a lot more, and just gave the control of the sieges over to that client state and gave the provinces to them in a peace. Then i did the same thing a few more times. This client state is now ~ half of germany, with at most half of these provinces cored.

Now obviously, that is major overextension and i expected there to be shitloads of gigantic rebellions. And there were. So i crushed them. Then more i appeared. Which i also crushed. At which point all of that client states provinces had at least 1 stacks of "recent rebel uprising", some of them up to 7. All of them now had a 0 % revolt risk. And still the revolts kept on coming, and in absurdly large amounts. Why? I know that it is not overextension events, because none of those spawn 100k rebel stacks. It can't be normal revolts, since all of that client states provinces have a 0 % revolt risk due to recent uprising.

Apart from this being utterly unrealistic (I am pretty sure i killed most of the german population as rebels now), i also don't understand from the gamey logic why this happens. Apparently there are revolts which ignore revolt risk. Can someone shine a light on this?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 08:42:42
January 20 2015 08:42 GMT
#2186
working on an albania strategy - there's definitely a lot of multitask involved. however I found that you can loot Ottomans, and slow-siege Bosnia during the first war, increasing my war income by 60 ducats per year

of course certain mad wizards are trying to find a way to outright win the first war - can't wait to see the strat
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 20 2015 08:51 GMT
#2187
It's pretty easy tbh, you no-CB the furthest of the two balkan guys (is it bosnia?), siege a prov before otto's, then otto's will get 99% and ask for just war reparations, which you accept, after which you continue beating up bosnia, serbia, ragusa etc during the truce. Also improve with Austria, Hungary and whoever else you want during the wars.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 09:00:52
January 20 2015 08:59 GMT
#2188
they don't immediately accept war reparations as far as I can tell, they 99%'d me and I couldn't get out of the war. Then they got mil access through serbia and stackwiped me in bosnia :/
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 20 2015 09:04 GMT
#2189
Hmm, might just have been my luck then. In my game they just offered my war reps and I was like wtf I accept this is great. Then I ate all of the minors while having alliance with Austria, unfortunately then Saxony became emperor so my run was still pretty fucked, but the rest was fine.
Also, don't integrate your vassals until you enter the HRE cuz if you do, first of all your inflation will skyrocket and second of all you will be too big to enter the HRE.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
January 20 2015 09:43 GMT
#2190
yeah, I managed a suboptimal start (two provinces off Bosnia, then Ottomans will peace out ASAP since they can't core those lands). Going to gank Hungary asap to get in HRE.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 20 2015 10:04 GMT
#2191
That one gold mine is terror though. Currently at 9% inflation.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 10:29:29
January 20 2015 10:18 GMT
#2192
oops, fked up the war against serbia so am trying to get this off the ground, again.

yeah, it seems very random whether bosnia gives MA to ottomans as well, in which case you are not in a good place.

here's my strat right now. I keep forgetting essential things like the scorching though so writing it down should help -.-:

1) scorch earth in albania, recruit 1 merc, assign skanderbeg to main stack. Take religious unity mission and surrender to orthodox zealots ASAP. if fort defense advisor is available, take one.
2) upon completion of merc, DOW bosnia + get MA from serbia. One diplomat to improve relations with Austria, one fabricates on Ragusa. Rush your troops to bosnia cap ASAP.
3) ideally battle in bosnia leaves you with 3k or more troops - if so, consolidate and split 2k to siege donji, 1 stack (whatever size) to stomp on recruiting units, 1 stack to loot Ottomans. cancel MA with serbia upon your looting army reaching Vidin (to maximize looting)
4) Loot Vidin -> Tarnovo -> Silistria -> Burgas -> Plovdiv -> Edirne -> Macedonia -> Thessaly -> Sofia -> Vidin. Multitask is making sure bosnia cannot recruit anymore (1 day siege is sufficient). Also dips should improve relations with Austria / Poland.
5) If Ottomans siege Albania, you can only loot the 5 provinces east of Sofia, trying to move to any other provinces provokes an immediate ottoman response
6) take Donji Kraji and Hum, recruit mercs there to hide your money from Ottomans. Ideally they should peace out for Albania and no money.

Trying to work out whether I can headshot Ragusa as well in this timespan. but since ottomans get MA from Ragusa this is extremely risky.

Anyways, looting ottomans leaves you with no loans and 100 ducats in the bank after this. So I think its worth it.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 20 2015 10:25 GMT
#2193
Yeah, that is random. Also in 1480 I now have 13% inflation with having a inflation reduction guy the whole time.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
January 20 2015 14:15 GMT
#2194


New expansion announced! From the vid: Features include:

- A deep Nation Designer gives you new starting options for your games, including national ideas and custom monarchs
- Experience the new Nahuatl, Inti and Mayan religions with blood sacrifices or Sun Worship
- Send your conquistadors to hunt for the Seven Cities of Gold, or your explorer on exploration missions around the world
- Gold Fleets can traffic New World wealth back to Europe, and be targeted by your privateer fleets
- Use your trade fleets to hunt dangerous pirates
- Maintain good relations with the Pope so you can get a corner of the world to call your own in the Treaty of Tordesillas

With regards to the bolded part, was this was Martin teased about in this video
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URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
January 20 2015 16:12 GMT
#2195
On January 20 2015 23:15 WindWolf wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYDn6JhHEuw

New expansion announced! From the vid: Features include:

- A deep Nation Designer gives you new starting options for your games, including national ideas and custom monarchs
- Experience the new Nahuatl, Inti and Mayan religions with blood sacrifices or Sun Worship
- Send your conquistadors to hunt for the Seven Cities of Gold, or your explorer on exploration missions around the world
- Gold Fleets can traffic New World wealth back to Europe, and be targeted by your privateer fleets
- Use your trade fleets to hunt dangerous pirates
- Maintain good relations with the Pope so you can get a corner of the world to call your own in the Treaty of Tordesillas

With regards to the bolded part, was this was Martin teased about in this video

I would have bolded the Nation Designer and the Treat of Tordesillas. Those seems like the most interesting features to me xD. EU4 is still the only game that I have no qualms for about purchasing DLC.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 16:24:50
January 20 2015 16:24 GMT
#2196
On January 20 2015 19:18 419 wrote:
oops, fked up the war against serbia so am trying to get this off the ground, again.

yeah, it seems very random whether bosnia gives MA to ottomans as well, in which case you are not in a good place.

here's my strat right now. I keep forgetting essential things like the scorching though so writing it down should help -.-:

1) scorch earth in albania, recruit 1 merc, assign skanderbeg to main stack. Take religious unity mission and surrender to orthodox zealots ASAP. if fort defense advisor is available, take one.
2) upon completion of merc, DOW bosnia + get MA from serbia. One diplomat to improve relations with Austria, one fabricates on Ragusa. Rush your troops to bosnia cap ASAP.
3) ideally battle in bosnia leaves you with 3k or more troops - if so, consolidate and split 2k to siege donji, 1 stack (whatever size) to stomp on recruiting units, 1 stack to loot Ottomans. cancel MA with serbia upon your looting army reaching Vidin (to maximize looting)
4) Loot Vidin -> Tarnovo -> Silistria -> Burgas -> Plovdiv -> Edirne -> Macedonia -> Thessaly -> Sofia -> Vidin. Multitask is making sure bosnia cannot recruit anymore (1 day siege is sufficient). Also dips should improve relations with Austria / Poland.
5) If Ottomans siege Albania, you can only loot the 5 provinces east of Sofia, trying to move to any other provinces provokes an immediate ottoman response
6) take Donji Kraji and Hum, recruit mercs there to hide your money from Ottomans. Ideally they should peace out for Albania and no money.

Trying to work out whether I can headshot Ragusa as well in this timespan. but since ottomans get MA from Ragusa this is extremely risky.

Anyways, looting ottomans leaves you with no loans and 100 ducats in the bank after this. So I think its worth it.

Hmm, I took only Donji and then vassalized the rest. Also instead of looting I sieged two provinces at the same time in Bosnia, after clearing stacks for a month or 3. (to get them to peace out faster and faster conquest of ragusa/serbia)
Besides that, I don't think you should scorched earth, because you need the money and you'll still siege first if everything goes according to plan.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 16:33:42
January 20 2015 16:31 GMT
#2197
Looting is 60 ducats an year, and while its true that you risk getting truly horrific war exhaustion if you don't siege down Bosnia fast enough, I do value not having to take loans while fighting Serbia (you could in theory rely on Skanderbeg and go in very outnumbered but attacking into a 2-cav flank is still risky, and Serbia can afford 8k guys pretty easily).

Scorch earth for extra defensiveness is better for consistency imo (I was able to siege 2 provinces consecutively faster than they took albania as a result) - you're making 10x time Albania's starting income by looting anyways.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 20 2015 16:34 GMT
#2198
Hmm, I had to take out one loan in the whole run, so while yes, looting is very good, imo sieging faster and having a stack to clear bosnia's small stacks is more valuable.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 16:39:01
January 20 2015 16:38 GMT
#2199
bosnia will cancel building troops on any province sieged for a day. So I take the smallest consolidated unit and constantly move it onto the unsieged provinces, causing them to continuously cancel stuff (and lose money since past 10% they only get half back). With proper play you can prevent a single stack from spawning.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 20 2015 17:12 GMT
#2200
Ah, didn't know AI canceled things. Now it alllllll makes sense.
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