EPTI agree that it was a lot more fun when it was more about hobbyism and less about corporation and money though.
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Freezard
Sweden1032 Posts
I agree that it was a lot more fun when it was more about hobbyism and less about corporation and money though. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
sunset riders, trauma center and crash team racing hell ya though | ||
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Ghost151
United States290 Posts
On December 24 2016 07:37 Freezard wrote: I don't know, looking at the schedule I feel like there's a lot of interesting games, and still a few prolific runners in there. Just speaking of the schedule in particular, it seems considerably more consistently split up this year I'm getting a real vibe of them wanting to present equal viewership opportunity across the entire marathon, more or less, and the game blocks that I can recognize look to be shorter. And yes, I wouldn't be worried about missing too many of the memorable names in the community. Plenty of them are there. In fact there are so many I recognize from memorable runs I think it would take too much time to name them all here. PJ is gonna be doing Batman Forever with Klaige. Brossentia is running again! TMR and Bubbles are scheduled several times, many of the various amazing Mario runners are in there. Sadly no Yagamoth though  that dude is unreal.Examples of the big games spread out: -OoT (the 3ds version. but still) on day 1 -Super Mario Kart on day 1 -Super Monkey Ball games on day 2 (seriously the games are always crazy) -SM Sunshine (or the whole small Mario block) on day 3 -FF1 on day 3 -Castlevania and Megaman blocks on Day 4 -Halo 2 on day 4 -Arkham City on day 4 -A Link to the Past on day 5 -DKCs, Vice City, and Contras on Day 6 -Wind Waker, Dark Souls 3, and (ugh) Undertale as the closer on day 7 -and of course, the TAS block and Super Metroid race on day 7 It's kind of crazy though. This is the first GDQ I can remember without Super Mario 64, there's only one FF being played and it's not the closer OR on the last day at all, smaller block sizes, wtf no Puwexil/Essentia, etc etc. As long as they keep examples of the more entertaining obscure games (Pepsiman was AWESOME last time!) and the typical block formats (awful games done quick and the Disney/Megaman blocks of past marathons are a personal fav) at least somewhat, I will be happy as a viewer. Other than some of the community members' antics helping to keep me entertained, I can't really stand to have to fish around so much or schedule wanting to catch only a single game in a sea of those that don't interest me. It kind of pushes the marathon to VOD status, y'know? And I love experiencing the event live, so I would hate that. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1032 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
@ghost151: Because you mention puwexil/essentia. Actually my favorite speedgaming marathon from last year (and already getting giddy about this years installation) was RPG Limit Break! https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/rpg_limit_break_2017__main_thread.html | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46551 Posts
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tyr
France1686 Posts
Because the AGDQs are not about speedruns anymore (for a couple years now), it's about profits for a bad charity. That is the main reason most people that stopped supporting it would say. Then there's some specific more various things, for example the thing in my post at the top of the previous page, for europeans. There's still euros that go to GDQs, but a lot of the older "regulars" like Adam or flicky do not go anymore. As for this year's lineup, I don't think there's a lot of things I'm interested in at all. Pretty hyped for Not Another Needle Game but that's pretty much it. I don't think I'll even watch Vice City. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46551 Posts
On January 03 2017 08:25 tyr wrote: Because the AGDQs are not about speedruns anymore (for a couple years now), it's about profits for a bad charity. That is the main reason most people that stopped supporting it would say. Then there's some specific more various things, for example the thing in my post at the top of the previous page, for europeans. There's still euros that go to GDQs, but a lot of the older "regulars" like Adam or flicky do not go anymore. As for this year's lineup, I don't think there's a lot of things I'm interested in at all. Pretty hyped for Not Another Needle Game but that's pretty much it. I don't think I'll even watch Vice City. They've raised millions of dollars for a great charity and for cancer research, and on what planet is AGDQ/ SGDQ not about speedrunning? Sure, they find ways to make the speedrunning even more interesting (e.g., donation incentives, races, etc.), but there's no reason to think that people aren't watching for the fantastic speedrunning and glitching. The money raised has been steadily increasing over the past few years, and zfg/ some other speedrunners have been saying that if some of the more popular games (like SM64) aren't running this year it's most likely because those speedrunners couldn't be bothered to submit anything or travel there. I agree that this year's lineup is pretty weak for me compared to previous years (I'm a fan of N64 games), but I don't think there's some crazy underlying issue that suddenly speedrunners are going to stop supporting such a noble cause. It'll probably make less money than last year's AGDQ, but it's just one instance compared to the years of increased success. And hopefully if issues do emerge, they're addressed promptly so that it's a minor setback and future GDQs continue to succeed  | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
There is a pretty fundamental difference between the two and it is the reason why people stopped supporting it. A lot of people are not interested in the donations, the incentives, the prizes and whatnot, they just want to play some games and have some fun with friends. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
That said I really haven't been following speedrunners themselves and if a lot of them retired or stopped speedrunning because they didn't like what GDQs have become then that's unfortunate. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46551 Posts
On January 03 2017 23:29 tyr wrote: It's a fundraising event for PCF that happens to feature speedruns, as opposed to a speedrun event that happens to feature a small fundraiser for a charity. Which is what it used to be 5 years ago. There is a pretty fundamental difference between the two and it is the reason why people stopped supporting it. A lot of people are not interested in the donations, the incentives, the prizes and whatnot, they just want to play some games and have some fun with friends. It's a fundraising event for multiple charities, such as PCF and DWB. It's raised over 8 million dollars for these great causes, so I don't know why you think it being a "small fundraiser" would have been better. You're literally complaining that a speedrunning marathon for charity is too successful, and I don't understand that. And furthermore, you say "people stopped supporting it" as if the GDQ marathons have been declining, which simply isn't true. Again, the hype and the popularity and the awareness and the donations have only been increasing over the years (except for- possibly- this year's AGDQ). And no one is saying that speedrunning marathons can't be fun or be friendly, but the purpose of doing this for charity is to also raise money. It doesn't seem like you understand the objectives of the GDQ marathons, and are projecting your issues onto others as if GDQs are dead now. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I don't know nearly enough about the speedrunning community to make worthwhile arguments about how the event is run in general, but it has felt more like a money-wringer than a speedrun event for a while to me. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
It looks like 2015 and 2016 both held at $1.2M though for AGDQ, so let's see what happens. | ||
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Trozz
Canada3457 Posts
An AM2R run/race. N-dog would say no. | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
It is now the sole primary thing, where everything is made to gather as much money as possible. I don't care that it's successful in that regard, because I'm one of the people that doesn't particularly care about the fundraiser aspect of some speedrunning marathons. So if it raises $20k or $1.2M, it's the same for me, except that the one that raises 1.2M is significantly less fun to watch and to attend because the event is made to gather that money. People in the audience can't be too noisy, the runners can't swear (or do a bunch of other things apparently, like criticizing Air Canada because their flight was late - true story), anything that makes GDQ less "professional", whatever that means, is banned, because it'll make them make less money. And they care a lot about that because PCF pays GDQ about 17% of the predicted revenue that year. Do the math, that's a lot of cash for a couple dozen people. The whole event becomes less fun. I've seen both. I've been to ESA 3 times now and I talk to a bunch of people who've been at both on a daily basis, and they all agree that ESA is a lot more fun to attend, even the North Americans, even though the GDQs are a lot easier for them to get to. I'm not saying you shouldn't watch it, or even donate if that is your thing. If you're enjoying it, that's great. A lot of people do. A lot of the old school speedrunners still do, because they like the fundraising aspect as well. A lot of people don't. Not everyone can agree on how such a successful event needs to move forward. It's as simple as that. | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
Oh well I'll still tune in and see if some stuff catches my attention | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46551 Posts
On January 04 2017 02:16 tyr wrote: Sn0_Man and Half the Sky are correct. It used to be a fun event, for speedrunners to have fun and show off their skills, or some cool glitches in a relaxed environment with a bunch of friends. The charity was a secondary thing. That's fair enough, although considering hundreds of speedrunners are literally streaming all day, every day, and we can watch them practice or go for WRs or dick around any time we want, I'm definitely impressed that a fraction of them are doing it for charities two weeks out of the year- and raising millions of dollars in the process And I still don't see how you can so easily make the subjective claim that GDQs aren't fun anymore. They're both fun and useful: They make speedrunning more popular, and they incentivize people to make donations to cancer research. Both of those are wins in my book. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
romscout tweeted some really cool pictures from CGDQ! Oh those memories... | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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