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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 12 2017 10:01 GMT
#2781
On April 05 2017 21:03 Plexa wrote:
Yeah that's one reason why the most commonly run A Link to the Past category is Any% no major glitches, since you can use them to beat the game in under 2 minutes otherwise. So the category still include minor glitches like spin attacking on a ladder granting super speed and holding an item while dashing, but you still see every dungeon beaten in very impressive fashion. You're definitely not alone in thinking that speedruns need to have some lets play element to them - zfg is a prominent OoT runner who has the WR in every category (more or less) except any% because he thinks wrong warping to the end of the game isn't interesting.

I think the standard categories are fascinating though, because I was thinking about my ideal category specifically suited for the Keen games and in the end I wasn't convinced they would necessarily make for better speedruns.

I watched one Keen 6 speedrun on YT and I was a bit annoyed that the person played the game on Easy to make the bullet glitch easier to perform, because I thought to myself: if you are going to glitch through one of my favorite games at least have the decency to try a higher difficulty level. But then I noticed that CapnClever doesn't always play the games on Hard either despite easily having the skill to do so. I was wondering about the rationale and my guess was that he was trying to avoid some random enemy behavior which would either necessitate a slowdown of the run or just depending on pure luck. Either way it wouldn't be quite as satisfying, but in the end it is still a compromise because now you have situations where he trivially clears some part which should be tricky to execute on a higher difficulty. I play the games on the highest difficulty myself just because it feels more involved, so it was disappointing to me to find he made a different decision.

And I noticed CapnClever didn't have a 100% run of Keen 6 available anywhere. He did have a glitchless run, but again, that one wasn't ideal because in Keen 6 the more difficult levels tend to be optional, and in general I did want to see them. I didn't look very hard, but I did find/watch a 100% K6 run on YT but this wasn't glitchless and all the difficult and more interesting levels were just quickly glitched through and while that might be fine for a quick run, for 15 minutes it's a bit lackluster to watch.

But even suppose I were to find my ideal, the 100% hard glitchless CapnClever run, I still would have things to nitpick about, because in the Keen games the most challenging content is almost always optional. 100% is actually deceiving, because it just means to complete all the levels, it doesn't mean you have to 100% complete every level and visit every area and make every possible jump.

However, even if one were to make this a new category: glitchless, highest difficulty, 100% & 100% area coverage, then it's still unsatisfying because e.g. some of the glitch usage seems really cool and should be encouraged. The irony here is that in trying to create a category which requires you to fully explore every aspect of the game you are already banning some of the potentially coolest parts.

And suppose that you would have this category, it wouldn't even work for all platformers, because linear platformers like Mario don't really have a ton of optional areas you can investigate, it's more like they have different routes through the same linear level that you can take. You could force the player to acquire every possible star, coin, mushroom, but that seems really pedantic and boring. For Keen too, it seems a bit silly to nearly complete a level but to have to backtrack to get one bit of candy somewhere.

I had a final disappointment when I contrasted the CapnClever speedruns with some TAS Mario ones I was used to, because I noticed that CC tends to play more conservatively, and make more mistakes, in the later parts of the speedrun. The obvious reason seems to me that if he makes a mistake early on he can just reset, but if he already has a really good run so far he's not going to risk it in the last moment just to save half a second somewhere. So this is perfectly understandable and good strategy, but it actually makes the runs slightly less pristine than they should be.

At this point I realized I was impossible to please, and furthermore, that most of what I desired was already available by just watching speedruns of several categories instead of demanding this Lovecraftian horror category which covers everything I specifically want. So now I'm more content and realistic in my outlook, but I have become more jaded.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
April 12 2017 14:25 GMT
#2782
Barrier skip has been found in Wind Waker HD.

https://www.console-deals.com/blog/wind-waker-holy-grail-speedrun-4590/
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
April 12 2017 16:02 GMT
#2783
On April 12 2017 23:25 datscilly wrote:
Barrier skip has been found in Wind Waker HD.

https://www.console-deals.com/blog/wind-waker-holy-grail-speedrun-4590/

The dream. Sub 2 almost happened yesterday, too bad the any% route is so silly now.
don't wall off against random
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
April 12 2017 17:30 GMT
#2784


Zeromaster has been destroying doom 2 UV-Speed for a numbers of years now. Thought I would update with the vid above that D2 is well below 20 minutes now and contains a host of new tricks including rocket jump to blue key on the pit, Rocket/Jump combined glide on Nirvana, New strats + tricks on downtown and inmost dens etc.
Doom Guy
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
April 14 2017 10:25 GMT
#2785
On April 13 2017 01:02 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2017 23:25 datscilly wrote:
Barrier skip has been found in Wind Waker HD.

https://www.console-deals.com/blog/wind-waker-holy-grail-speedrun-4590/

The dream. Sub 2 almost happened yesterday, too bad the any% route is so silly now.

There it is: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/135477606
1h 56m 11s by Fuzzyness
don't wall off against random
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 07:24:14
April 18 2017 07:23 GMT
#2786
So the Braid any% world record has been 24:21 for almost 4 years.

I finally broke the record by 1 second a couple of days ago:

aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11933 Posts
April 18 2017 08:05 GMT
#2787
On April 18 2017 16:23 Xiphias wrote:
So the Braid any% world record has been 24:21 for almost 4 years.

I finally broke the record by 1 second a couple of days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80LE_H-4Pa4


Congratulations. Do you see the potential for any new strategies or is it up to playing perfectly now?
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
April 18 2017 10:25 GMT
#2788
On April 18 2017 17:05 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2017 16:23 Xiphias wrote:
So the Braid any% world record has been 24:21 for almost 4 years.

I finally broke the record by 1 second a couple of days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80LE_H-4Pa4


Congratulations. Do you see the potential for any new strategies or is it up to playing perfectly now?


There is one trick that is very tricky that I did not do, but the former WR actually pulled it off. It just played some other parts worse and that's how I caught up. There are not many new strategies overall though as the TAS explored most of that area. If Braid speed running ever gets heavily competitive and someone manages to get a sub 24 run with current starts, then we might try to implement more TAS like starts to single segment runs. Some of them are incredibly difficult to borderline impossible though.

You can check out the TAS run here:

aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4360 Posts
April 18 2017 13:26 GMT
#2789
Summoningsalt channel on youtube is a great resource.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
May 13 2017 01:57 GMT
#2790
RPGLB is tomorrow.

I like almost every game they will play S2.
:3
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
May 17 2017 16:14 GMT
#2791
On April 18 2017 22:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Summoningsalt channel on youtube is a great resource.

For sure!



Mvp spotted!
don't wall off against random
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
June 17 2017 15:39 GMT
#2792
DHS is on!

https://www.twitch.tv/dreamhackspeedrun
https://horaro.org/dreamhack/dhs17
don't wall off against random
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
June 17 2017 20:38 GMT
#2793
No KH games :/
:3
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
June 18 2017 08:20 GMT
#2794
MM1-3 later today will be the highlight for me, gå CK!
don't wall off against random
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
August 01 2017 09:01 GMT
#2795
ESA ended a couple days ago. Very good event in general, had a ton of fun attending.

Reddit VOD thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/6ox7xm/esa_vod_thread_2017/

I would of course recommend watching my race against Shrimp in My Summer Car. It turned out to be very fun and a lot of people liked it.
I would also recommend the SM64 70 stars by 70 players run. Obviously it was a trainwreck but it was a very very fun one.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
September 15 2017 18:55 GMT
#2796
P-why beat my Braid WR with 6 seconds today:

aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
May 16 2018 02:12 GMT
#2797
RPG LB is on:

https://www.twitch.tv/rpglimitbreak

https://www.rpglimitbreak.com/tracker/runs/6

Def gonna watch DQ8 completely on VODs such a god tier game.
:3
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
September 25 2018 20:14 GMT
#2798
Super Mario Bros. World Record 4:5513
Absolutely stunning.
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
May 06 2019 12:04 GMT
#2799
RPGLB is on!

https://www.twitch.tv/rpglimitbreak

Schedule or !schedule on the chat:

https://www.rpglimitbreak.com/tracker/runs/7
:3
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