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On July 12 2012 19:57 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote:
maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games. However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt
It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing.
Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already.
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On July 12 2012 20:34 snow2.0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 20:33 Keniji wrote:On July 12 2012 20:30 snow2.0 wrote:
[...]Big games like Tekken, FF big. Games that don't even have to try being good anymore to sell millions.[...] how is that a good thing? It sure is pretty good for Sonys pockets. And money that goes into PS games won't go into Ouya. Limited funds per person and stuff. There is no market until they make BIG BIG GAMES for this.
That's why it is on kickstarter. with a funding with ~4 million? It obviously doesn't aim to take away market share from sony or nintendo. It's a niche product.
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On July 12 2012 20:35 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:57 Morfildur wrote:On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote:
maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games. However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing. Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already.
Most mobile/tablet games are touch-based. If the core of your game is based on the touch mechanic then you can't really port it easily.
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On July 12 2012 21:10 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 20:35 Ysellian wrote:On July 12 2012 19:57 Morfildur wrote:On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote:
maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games. However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing. Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already. Most mobile/tablet games are touch-based. If the core of your game is based on the touch mechanic then you can't really port it easily.
Exactly. All of the games have to be modified or even rewritten to work with in a console environment, which basically means there are no games for it yet. For some games that only have 2 buttons on the touch screen anyways it's not a big deal but then again, those games wouldn't be a lot of fun on a console anyways.
Any more complex application would need a complete UI overhaul and i don't expect many mobile app developers to actually commit to that unless this console gets a significant market.
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On July 12 2012 21:10 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 20:35 Ysellian wrote:On July 12 2012 19:57 Morfildur wrote:On July 12 2012 17:45 askTeivospy wrote:
maybe I live in another world but indie games are really really bad (i make an exception for bastion tho, I'm sure there are others but overall the clear majority aren't actually fun or worth money)
So focusing on indie developers, I have no faith in this console. If there are other features tho for non gaming, ie internet, then it may be interesting for entertainment in that regard Magicka, Mount&Blade, Amnesia, Minecraft, Dungeon Defenders, LIMBO, ... there are tons of great indie games. However, for this console i see the typical problems: 1. Noone owns it because there are no games for it 2. Noone develops games for it because noone owns it 3. ??? 4. bankrupt It's android based so there are plenty of games for it already, but yes those are in fact tablet/mobile games. Which for some odd reason people have been telling others that this device is not going to be doing, but is in fact exactly what this device is going to be doing. Still it bothers me that people are saying that this device is to get people in to indie games on the couch when I have pretty much been doing that already. Most mobile/tablet games are touch-based. If the core of your game is based on the touch mechanic then you can't really port it easily.
Naturally, but there are plenty of games that mimic a controller on screen. In fact the touch mechanic is more of a nuisance even. I'm no programmer, but those should be much easier to port right? I kinda assumed it would be no problem at all, but if even this is too much to ask for most devs than this thing is a failure before it even began.
On July 12 2012 21:23 Morfildur wrote:Exactly. All of the games have to be modified or even rewritten to work with in a console environment, which basically means there are no games for it yet. For some games that only have 2 buttons on the touch screen anyways it's not a big deal but then again, those games wouldn't be a lot of fun on a console anyways.
Any more complex application would need a complete UI overhaul and i don't expect many mobile app developers to actually commit to that unless this console gets a significant market.
So a game like Modern Combat 2 would take more effort to rewrite rather than less?
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To be fair, I've considered every multi-platform game as not really being important at all for the console it's ported to. Only games that really influence decision to buy a console are unique games. That being said, the only reason to buy an Xbox 360 atm would be to play Microsoft console games (such as Halo)..
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I don't play many mobile games, but I just want to throw in that this'll be great as an emulator. PS1 games will kick ass on it.
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i saw this on my local news this morning...apparently they made $3 million in a few hourse.
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Yea this makes me really hate being a recent graduate.
If I was working right now I'd slam down £500 for this project without a second thought, the implications are really awesome. I hope most people who are funding are aware that it's probably going to take a while before there are really great games available, its not going to be like most consoles in that regard.
However for $100 who can really complain, its an amazing piece of kit that, for once, you have full control over.
I do somewhat worry about piracy, however I think a lot of concerns are unfounded, people, including myself are more than content to pirate $60 titles from major publishers, they are expensive and its often a risk shelling out that money, but $20 or less isn't such a commitment, especially when you get to sub $10, I often buy XBLA games on a whim and don't regret my decisions, although M$ points and increasing costs are concerning.
Really great to see people coming together and funding this, I doubt many of them would even consider themselves console gamers, most of my friends who've shown interest are PC gamers who are more familiar with the concept of open source and its implications for unique and interest projects.
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I'm thinking about backing since I think it's probably worth it just to be able to stream twitch.tv through the TV alone.. However are there any other easy ways to do this? And I don't wanna drag a cable across the entire house  Also the thought of having all emulators for the TV with a great controller makes me really excited.
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With the amount of money they raised, they could easily switch from 1GB to 2GB of RAM and maybe add an additional USB port.
I've got it
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On July 12 2012 23:46 kiy0 wrote:With the amount of money they raised, they could easily switch from 1GB to 2GB of RAM and maybe add an additional USB port. I've got it
Their ability to upgrade the hardware wouldn't come from the money they raise but the amount of units they'll be able to produce. Maybe they'll be able to work something out, they may end up producing more units than they thought.
I suspect they'd just use the difference to produce more units in this particular case though.
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The controller has a touchpad, so I assume we will see a lot of mobile ports to begin with. But that is hopefully just the beginning.
Are people saying this is a scam because backers won't actually get the system or that they just don't think it is worth the money? It is cheaper than any other Android 4.0 device I've seen and comes with the ability to easily hook up to your TV with a controller. Plus all the other stuff people have been talking about. Even if I was the only one with one of these, I still think it would be worth it because it would be fun to mess around with it. Maybe the people who are so down on it don't think they would be able to do anything fun on it by themselves.
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On July 12 2012 23:46 kiy0 wrote:With the amount of money they raised, they could easily switch from 1GB to 2GB of RAM and maybe add an additional USB port. I've got it
additional usb port maybe but the 2gb of ram is a waste and pointless for that system and target market, if anything what it needs is more then just 8gigs of flash mem as a hdd. It's an andriod gaming station all it has to do is be better then smart phones, outside of that if someone develops specifically for the system you're allowed to make optimizations that you can't when you don't know exactly what the game will run on.
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Good read. I mentioned some of these criticisms before, but there are interesting things I hadn't noticed.
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In my opinion, this is no better than loading up steam and plugging your PC into your tv. Makes everything more difficult and expensive if you have to buy a separate consul.
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Bit old i know but,Ouya raised $8.63million for their new console! Madness, from just donations, Android going to need to deliver big now.
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On July 12 2012 22:28 mikell wrote:
To be fair, I've considered every multi-platform game as not really being important at all for the console it's ported to. Only games that really influence decision to buy a console are unique games. That being said, the only reason to buy an Xbox 360 atm would be to play Microsoft console games (such as Halo)..
As it so happens to be, console exclusives (Halo, Uncharted, Gears of War etc) are very good games. I got an xbox for the Gears of War and Halo series alone.
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On August 14 2012 00:33 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:28 mikell wrote:
To be fair, I've considered every multi-platform game as not really being important at all for the console it's ported to. Only games that really influence decision to buy a console are unique games. That being said, the only reason to buy an Xbox 360 atm would be to play Microsoft console games (such as Halo).. As it so happens to be, console exclusives (Halo, Uncharted, Gears of War etc) are very good games. I got an xbox for the Gears of War and Halo series alone.
I personally feel that Microsoft have no good exclusives for their gaming console, for their PC OS they have a lot though. Sony exclusives have been better since 2009 or so for my tastes.
I doubt I'll get this when it comes out. I am with the others that think it will have too small market and just self die. If I am proved wrong I might get it or just play the games on my PC without getting it.
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