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On December 29 2012 06:24 peacenl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 05:42 Maxyim wrote:On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote:
Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price. I know that this kid has been rolled hard already, so I will just make one simple response - games are developed with current technology in mind. Most big budget titles have development times in excess of two years. Hence, as a general rule, if you buy a computer today, you have at least two years during which it is more than sufficient for anything you throw at it. Down the road, you simply upgrade the video card. So you, my friend, are very, very wrong, and really should refrain from making crap postings, particularly with an authoritative tone. At least add "in my uneducated option" in front. Kid? I just might be old enough to be your dad (remember, authoritative tone, last time I checked people used kid to belittle someone with an authoritative tone). Crap postings? that escalated quickly didn't it, all of a sudden we started insulting each other? Are you serious? You can disagree with me, but stay friendly? Is that so hard?
Well considering the way generations work younger people ex. children or teens under the age of 16 now would say that consoles are good and are the way to go, what you lack seeing in that though is that PC games net the same players who play things longer or the games in general last longer most console games today for a play through last less than 20 hours because people has shorter attention spans today and COD, and lastly consoles run on the same hardware for now excesses of what almost 6 years(the current xbox has been around what feels like forever now), previously it was about 4 years or so These times stunted developers growth because of hardware restrictions and why things are fps capped at the 30 fps mark usually and still have to deal with gross fps drops.
And considering most people on this forum are between 20 and their late 30's statistically you would have to be almost 50+ to be some of our parents for perspective. You seem rather butthurt over the fact that some one used the term "kid" to describe you but your point sounds that of a casual player who wants low entry cost and low commitment to do something.
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On December 29 2012 02:41 Efekkt wrote:
To me this seems very unnecessary and gimped. Like others stated pc+hdmi cable+tv+controller=win.
No its not. I don't know of any indie games on the PC that I can use a controller for, and especially not where I can play against my buddy. Most people don't even know how to hook up their pc to their computers, simply can't, or doesn't want to go through the trouble. There is a huge market for the ouya.
I would rather think of it as a tablet you connect to the tv. But then again you wont be able to use controllers (or at least have to go through some hassle to do it), and tablets with that power costs way more in the first place.
Not to mention the ability to mod this thing both software wise and hardware. I'm not sure how much that will come into play, but its something to think about.
Oh, and it wil have a twitch.tv app. Sold already. How brilliant isn't this thing to bring over to your buddy or to Barcraft to stream sc2? No need to bring your entire computer or laptop. Just hook this thing which is smaller than a coffee mug into your TV and you're set to go.
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aah don't let it get to you peacenl. Some people are unnecessarily rude, in general this forum is more respectful than this. He's been reported already.
Anyway I agree with the others, I've been using the same computer for a while, but its mainly because I don't need top-level graphics anymore.
I think the major thing is that games are so realistic already, that you don't need the top, top level graphics anymore as its just overkill. Add to that, I think we're actually reaching the limits of computing capacity lol. I think that's why they started doing parallel processing (4 CPU's at once) rather than making one faster and faster as it was before.
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I agree with controllers being a barrier for PC titles. "Oh hey, I made this cool indie controller-based game, and I am selling it to you for $5, but guess what, you have to buy a $40 controller in order to play it!"
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On December 29 2012 06:53 Maxyim wrote:
I agree with controllers being a barrier for PC titles. "Oh hey, I made this cool indie controller-based game, and I am selling it to you for $5, but guess what, you have to buy a $40 controller in order to play it!"
But then you can use it for any other controller base PC game soo its a 1 time thing.
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On December 29 2012 07:00 MugenXBanksy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 06:53 Maxyim wrote:
I agree with controllers being a barrier for PC titles. "Oh hey, I made this cool indie controller-based game, and I am selling it to you for $5, but guess what, you have to buy a $40 controller in order to play it!" But then you can use it for any other controller base PC game soo its a 1 time thing.
Right, but it's still a barrier to the industry, especially for the lower income demographic. Why make the investment when you can get several good big budget traditional games for the same price?
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It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
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Controller for PC is hardly a barrier of entry. Ive been using my Playstation 2 controller since I owned the Playstation 2.
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On December 29 2012 07:11 Medrea wrote:
Controller for PC is hardly a barrier of entry. Ive been using my Playstation 2 controller since I owned the Playstation 2.
Not everyone has a console.  I have also heard that the PS controllers are not ideal / do not work so well, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt seeing your sig.
On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote:
It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
Hint: SC forum? We play a lot more than SC here, my friend. Veiled insults do not make your lack of logic any less pronounced. The simple fact is that you came here with the statement "laptops and PCs are not a good investment for gaming." So, your logic is that people should buy less PCs / laptops and more consoles, with the reasoning that the former need to be replaced "the very next year." Never mind that your logic is flawed (the Intel Core series processors are 3 years old now, and can still handle anything), you also are now suddenly interested in "extreme FPS performance and the best graphics" - aspects which are not variables on consoles; you will have the same performance and graphics for the life of the console because everything you are playing is DUMBED DOWN!
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On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote:
It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years.
Well not everyone strives to play Crysis and Metro 2033 maxxed with a min of 60 fps those people are just trying to hard.
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On December 29 2012 07:23 Maxyim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 07:11 Medrea wrote:
Controller for PC is hardly a barrier of entry. Ive been using my Playstation 2 controller since I owned the Playstation 2. Not everyone has a console. I have also heard that the PS controllers are not ideal / do not work so well, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt seeing your sig. Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote:
It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years. Hint: SC forum? We play a lot more than SC here, my friend. Veiled insults do not make your lack of logic any less pronounced. The simple fact is that you came here with the statement "laptops and PCs are not a good investment for gaming." So, your logic is that people should buy less PCs / laptops and more consoles, with the reasoning that the former need to be replaced "the very next year." Never mind that your logic is flawed (the Intel Core series processors are 3 years old now, and can still handle anything), you also are now suddenly interested in "extreme FPS performance and the best graphics" - aspects which are not variables on consoles; you will have the same performance and graphics for the life of the console because everything you are playing is DUMBED DOWN!
Hmmm? Works great. I just use a $1.70 (thats with shipping) adapter and it works fine. It even supports left, down, up, and right HAT trigger simultaneous inputs (sometimes an issue with dance games).
That controller is considered one of the best controllers to have ever been designed and a lot of enthusiasts still buy them up since they are no longer made.
And yeah if you want to talk about costs between console and PC. You have to keep the playing field leveled. That means playing all games on low settings, and at 30 FPS, and also not always the greatest resolution.
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On December 29 2012 07:23 Maxyim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 07:11 Medrea wrote:
Controller for PC is hardly a barrier of entry. Ive been using my Playstation 2 controller since I owned the Playstation 2. Not everyone has a console. I have also heard that the PS controllers are not ideal / do not work so well, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt seeing your sig. Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 07:04 peacenl wrote:
It's very personal what settings you are okay to play with. While you can play on normal game settings. It's very difficult to argue in these regions, I'm hardly surprised so many people took it very dear to heart that you can play any game with 2 old year PC's (hint: SC forum). Of course you can, but that's different from wanting the extreme FPS performance and the best graphics, you will need to buy a new PC each year or two to keep this up.
In order to be able to do both, I just found a great solution in keeping a PC/laptop 6 years for casual stuff such as browsing and business and a gaming console for the heavier stuff such as games. It seems to be a better choice (money<->value wise) than buying a new PC or parts every 3/4 years. Hint: SC forum? We play a lot more than SC here, my friend. Veiled insults do not make your lack of logic any less pronounced. The simple fact is that you came here with the statement "laptops and PCs are not a good investment for gaming." So, your logic is that people should buy less PCs / laptops and more consoles, with the reasoning that the former need to be replaced "the very next year." Never mind that your logic is flawed (the Intel Core series processors are 3 years old now, and can still handle anything), you also are now suddenly interested in "extreme FPS performance and the best graphics" - aspects which are not variables on consoles; you will have the same performance and graphics for the life of the console because everything you are playing is DUMBED DOWN!
I agree with you, see:
On December 29 2012 04:51 peacenl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:46 nadafanboy42 wrote:On December 29 2012 04:31 peacenl wrote:
Laptops and PC's are just not a good investment anymore, I.M.O., at least not for gaming. If you buy a decent PC now for 800 Euro, it won't be able to run games in good detail that are brought out the very next year, never mind the year after. A game console, where games are created for that specific default hardware configuration. It sounds a lot better to me, especially at that price. No offense but I had to respond to this. For you and those specific gamers like you who want to play the genre's you play in the way you want to play them, for those people PC's are not a good investment. For gamers like me who do not care about having the best graphics and who do not care for the console gaming genres (shooters, platformers, etc) the PC is the only platform worth having. I have nothing against console gamers, but annoys me to see people act is if their type of gaming is the only type that exists or matters. Don't get me wrong, I don't recommend anyone ditching their PC. Heck, I never had a game console in my 20 years of PC gaming. I just think it's wise to stop the rat race for the newest hardware and best performance, that's all. But truth be told, not everyone is in it for the ultimate graphics, not everyone wants or buys the best stuff out there, and I consider those outside the scope of my complaint 
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Are there any OUYA game developers here? I have been sitting a long time with a few game blueprints that I've never realized. It just seems like a leap of faith to start developing for such an unproven system. Is there any advantage in starting now or do you think it's better to wait?
The list of confirmed games is pretty large already:
http://ouyaforum.com/showthread.php?18-List-of-Games-Coming-to-the-OUYA
The DEV Jam games received a lot of criticism. Even though there were only 10 days of development time and the OUYA is clearly not going to compete with xbox or playstation.
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I'm not sure why people are even considering that the OUYA might "compete". It wasn't made to compete with anything T_T If you're primarily concerned with getting to an audience with the OUYA, it's probably not the best thing to start working with.
My main concern is how well native stuff is/will be supported. From what I've seen, it still isn't the most stellar thing (although that's probably a fault with Android to begin with).
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Ouya suddenly gets crappy
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/07/expect-new-ouya-console-every-year/
Consoles normally last close to 7 years, getting a new Ouya every year means a $700 investment in the same period of time as a normal console. Next gen consoles arent looking to cost $700, closer to the $400-$500 range. Worse still, the Ouya controller somehow manages to cost $50 too.
I imagine annual iterations will make it difficult to design games for as well. Then there is the issue that new games wont work on old Ouya's due to performance limitations.
The more I learn about the Ouya, the less I am impressed. I dont see this doing well outside of a niche crowd, I mean I can just hook my cell phone up to my TV if I want to play that style of game.
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There will also be successors to the Ouya, they will continue to improve it, and i really think that the Ouya has potential for those casual people out there, its cheap, its versatile, and could prove to be alot of fun imo.
Who knows, the next iteration could be a MASSIVE improvement and prove to be able to compete with the next get consoles.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2013/02/07/ouya-successors/1
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On February 10 2013 11:11 eXePensai wrote:There will also be successors to the Ouya, they will continue to improve it, and i really think that the Ouya has potential for those casual people out there, its cheap, its versatile, and could prove to be alot of fun imo. Who knows, the next iteration could be a MASSIVE improvement and prove to be able to compete with the next get consoles. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2013/02/07/ouya-successors/1
The cheapness factor goes away when you need to pay another $100 every year. I dont understand how it is versatile. Yes, it could be a lot of fun, but why not just hook your phone up to the TV? And the next iteration wont be a massive improvement because they are limited to cell phone technology. Consoles use PC technology.
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I seriously doubt manufacturing a better but slightly different version of this system is financially feasible as that would mean having to modify the manufacturing line / parts every year along with discarding whatever inventory of previous versions not used as a loss or discounted. Furthermore, it's going to cause little to severe headaches for developers as now they have to consider audiences of the latest Ouya and the past Ouyas.
I expect instead each version being on 2 - 3 year cycle assuming OUYA, the company itself, doesn't go bankrupt. I'd be concerned that the founder is talking about the future of Ouya assuming it's going to be a success when there's huge doubts, risks, and competition for the first Ouya in a niche market.
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Going to start selling this in the Best Buy I work at.
I was amazed it was literally smaller than an Xbox controller and only $99.
Not sure what kind of games it will be able to play, thinking mostly apps, and casual games everyone plays nowadays.
Probably won't buy it, but very interested in how it turns out.
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On February 10 2013 11:15 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 11:11 eXePensai wrote:There will also be successors to the Ouya, they will continue to improve it, and i really think that the Ouya has potential for those casual people out there, its cheap, its versatile, and could prove to be alot of fun imo. Who knows, the next iteration could be a MASSIVE improvement and prove to be able to compete with the next get consoles. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2013/02/07/ouya-successors/1 The cheapness factor goes away when you need to pay another $100 every year. I dont understand how it is versatile. Yes, it could be a lot of fun, but why not just hook your phone up to the TV? And the next iteration wont be a massive improvement because they are limited to cell phone technology. Consoles use PC technology.
Where does it say that you have to buy the latest version in order to enjoy using the console at all?
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