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qotsager
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 14:40:59
October 24 2013 14:40 GMT
#1781
nvm overlooked a post :D
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 24 2013 14:42 GMT
#1782
I was going to ask "why would you put up free DLC like that and then charge it after 2 or so weeks?". Then I realized that I couldn't take advantage of such an amazing deal since I don't own the game yet. Then I realized that it's an amazing way to make people buy the game. Amazing.
maru lover forever
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 24 2013 15:03 GMT
#1783
Well when the vast majority of owners encourage potential buyers to wait for a sale if they buy it at all they need lures like that
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 24 2013 23:17 GMT
#1784
On October 24 2013 23:42 Incognoto wrote:
I was going to ask "why would you put up free DLC like that and then charge it after 2 or so weeks?". Then I realized that I couldn't take advantage of such an amazing deal since I don't own the game yet. Then I realized that it's an amazing way to make people buy the game. Amazing.


Buying the game now, if you really want to play any of those factions someday, is a fair idea. The game's gotten fixed enough to warrant purchasing, despite constant patching.

If these three factions don't strike your fancy (they don't for me, personally...), then it'd be better to wait for the sale.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 24 2013 23:32 GMT
#1785
What is the practical difference between royal peltasts and silver shield swordsman? I can see what the stats say, but what is bottom line in terms of performance? Is one demonstrably better than the other?
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 23:51:01
October 24 2013 23:47 GMT
#1786
I can do some mock battles if you like. Spartan Royal Peltasts vs. Seleucid Silver Shield Swordsmen.

EDIT: You probably mean against other units, not each other, lol.

EDIT 2: Derp. Spartans don't have "Royal Peltasts." -.-' Switching with Macedon.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 25 2013 00:52 GMT
#1787
It's close, but it looks like royal peltasts beat silver shield swordsmen straight up. I'm not entirely sure what role silver shield swordsmen should play in a Seleucid army when royal peltasts are available.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 25 2013 02:44 GMT
#1788
I can confirm Peltasts beating Swordsmen 1-on-1. Do they become available at the same tier?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 25 2013 03:13 GMT
#1789
On October 25 2013 11:44 cLAN.Anax wrote:
I can confirm Peltasts beating Swordsmen 1-on-1. Do they become available at the same tier?

No, royal peltasts are tier 3. Silver shield stuff is tier 4.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 25 2013 04:09 GMT
#1790
That's...strange. ._.

According to the stats, Swordsmen have better charge and melee defense. Peltasts have better melee attack and slightly better armor. Logic tells me they're better in a defensive role, but peltasts kill stuff quicker, so why bother, lol?

I'm with you: use Peltasts. Silver Shield Swordsmen don't cut it in that fight. Perhaps against high-attack, low-defence enemies, Swordsmen would make more sense, but Peltasts should be your go-to despite that.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 04:26:26
October 25 2013 04:22 GMT
#1791
Yeah, I haven't noticed royal peltasts ever having a problem holding up in a fight, anyway. Even if they're not going to win straight up, they'll hold long enough to win elsewhere on the field and bring help. That's really all that you need.

EDIT: And I abuse the hell out of my royal peltasts by using them to set the edges of my line and hold my flanks. Whenever I do my 1v2 army fights, it's usually my royal peltasts that take the brunt of the enemy attack.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
October 25 2013 07:36 GMT
#1792
I've had my royal peltasts hold against war elephants and thorax swordsmen, decimated at the end but they held for a long time. Though I found out that phalanx formations instant kill elephants(What unit type are elephants placed in again?).

And anyone ever figure out how effective the initial barrage of javelins are before they engage in a charge? Just thought of it, never really bothered to see the results because I rarely use all of their ammo.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 25 2013 13:51 GMT
#1793
On October 25 2013 16:36 Disregard wrote:
I've had my royal peltasts hold against war elephants and thorax swordsmen, decimated at the end but they held for a long time. Though I found out that phalanx formations instant kill elephants(What unit type are elephants placed in again?).

And anyone ever figure out how effective the initial barrage of javelins are before they engage in a charge? Just thought of it, never really bothered to see the results because I rarely use all of their ammo.


That shouldn't work, lol. The engine probably just doesn't account for that interaction at all.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21687 Posts
October 25 2013 15:14 GMT
#1794
On October 25 2013 22:51 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 16:36 Disregard wrote:
I've had my royal peltasts hold against war elephants and thorax swordsmen, decimated at the end but they held for a long time. Though I found out that phalanx formations instant kill elephants(What unit type are elephants placed in again?).

And anyone ever figure out how effective the initial barrage of javelins are before they engage in a charge? Just thought of it, never really bothered to see the results because I rarely use all of their ammo.


That shouldn't work, lol. The engine probably just doesn't account for that interaction at all.


I think i've noticed something similar before but I think its that the AI uses the "kill elephants" command when they turn amok which happens very fast when they run into a wall of phalanx.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 26 2013 00:29 GMT
#1795
On October 26 2013 00:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 22:51 cLAN.Anax wrote:
On October 25 2013 16:36 Disregard wrote:
I've had my royal peltasts hold against war elephants and thorax swordsmen, decimated at the end but they held for a long time. Though I found out that phalanx formations instant kill elephants(What unit type are elephants placed in again?).

And anyone ever figure out how effective the initial barrage of javelins are before they engage in a charge? Just thought of it, never really bothered to see the results because I rarely use all of their ammo.


That shouldn't work, lol. The engine probably just doesn't account for that interaction at all.


I think i've noticed something similar before but I think its that the AI uses the "kill elephants" command when they turn amok which happens very fast when they run into a wall of phalanx.


Oh. That's a little more logical. But realistically, shouldn't they trample pikes like twigs, lol?
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
October 26 2013 00:54 GMT
#1796
The AI charged War Elephants directly at my thorax pikes in phalanx, I do have to mention I did have a supporting barrage of javelins in the back. But they all melted before any real damage the javelins can do as they charged into the formation, I don't think I lost any pikemen in that initial charge either.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-26 03:10:05
October 26 2013 03:06 GMT
#1797
Is radious still the most popular mod when it comes to balancing/challenge ? May try the trait mod first from steam workshop, looks good.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 26 2013 03:15 GMT
#1798
On October 26 2013 12:06 rezoacken wrote:
Is radious still the most popular mod when it comes to balancing/challenge ? May try the trait mod first from steam workshop, looks good.


It's the most comprehensive so far, by the looks of things. Darthmod and even a Europa Barbaroum mod may come out in the near future as competition.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 26 2013 03:42 GMT
#1799
Nothing kills elephants like ballistae and other artillery. You can drop those big bastards so fast that it's scary.
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
October 26 2013 11:27 GMT
#1800
On October 26 2013 12:15 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 12:06 rezoacken wrote:
Is radious still the most popular mod when it comes to balancing/challenge ? May try the trait mod first from steam workshop, looks good.


It's the most comprehensive so far, by the looks of things. Darthmod and even a Europa Barbaroum mod may come out in the near future as competition.


I thought Darth is retired after Shogun indefinetely , and EB team , where do you get this info ? Only found out that Total Realism is back for Rome 2.
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