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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:43 TieN.nS) wrote: RUFUS IS BROKEN BECAUSE JUSTIN WONG WINS WITH HIM RYU IS BROKEN BECAUSE DAIGO'S WON SO MANY EVOS Logic fail. SSF4 balance is looking great atm either way. 8 different chars in the top 8. May not even be 8 different chars in the top 8 for UMvC and they get 3 per team. | ||
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ShoKakuUtena
United States304 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:39 On_Slaught wrote: I'll agree Phoenix is fine if FChamp doesn't win the tourny or has significant trouble along the way. If he wins and stomps everyone in the process then it just proves my original point. If you didn't play Vanilla MvC3, you really won't understand why people are fine with Phoenix now despite the type of mechanic or playstyle she'll force the game into. And either way, Filipino Champ wins PRIMARILY on the strength of his great Mags/Doom play. Those 2 characters opening up people are the reason why he can still attempt his Phoenix team. And watching his FGTV streams, he'll even beat people using NORMAL Phoenix. Phoenix back then was ridiculous b/c you could tank with your 2 characters and easily build to 5 without even spending too much effort extending combos. Now, the team synergy really makes the difference in how you get to Phoenix. Only FChamp & pre UMvC3 Flocker (Zero/Tron was his BnB) made this work. | ||
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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atombombforpeace
United States408 Posts
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
I need to sleep but that can wait for monday Edit: Forgot also night races at Daytona. I can't stop to much adrenaline. Best weekend ever to stay inside and avoid the heat | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:46 ShoKakuUtena wrote: If you didn't play Vanilla MvC3, you really won't understand why people are fine with Phoenix now despite the type of mechanic or playstyle she'll force the game into. And either way, Filipino Champ wins PRIMARILY on the strength of his great Mags/Doom play. Those 2 characters opening up people are the reason why he can still attempt his Phoenix team. And watching his FGTV streams, he'll even beat people using NORMAL Phoenix. Phoenix back then was ridiculous b/c you could tank with your 2 characters and easily build to 5 without even spending too much effort extending combos. Now, the team synergy really makes the difference in how you get to Phoenix. Only FChamp & pre UMvC3 Flocker (Zero/Tron was his BnB) made this work. This is a good explanation. Still think it is bad game design but w/e. Not like Evo cares (tho the fans still boo her lol). | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:46 On_Slaught wrote: Logic fail. SSF4 balance is looking great atm either way. 8 different chars in the top 8. May not even be 8 different chars in the top 8 for UMvC and they get 3 per team. no I'll only believe Ryu is balanced if Daigo doesn't win Challonge UMvC3 bracket, will probably be updated more frequently than others: http://challonge.com/evo_umvctop32 | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:48 TieN.nS) wrote: no I'll only believe Ryu is balanced if Daigo doesn't win Sad troll attempt. The Risk/Reward on Ryu isn't in the same galaxy as DP. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:48 TieN.nS) wrote: no I'll only believe Ryu is balanced if Daigo doesn't win Challonge UMvC3 bracket, will probably be updated more frequently than others: http://challonge.com/evo_umvctop32 I personally believe that Daigo is overpowered, not Ryu. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
http://evo2012.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/index.html | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:40 Ognam wrote: Against a good portion of the cast she gets randomed out just as easily as she randoms out others. It may not be the most fun character to deal with, but whining about her current iteration is just silly. I don't know man... your explanation makes sense, it's just that I don't know how to translate it with words, but from my point of view, as a seasoned gamer, I think that the design of this character seems... odd; compared to the rest of the roster anyway. I can't quite put my finger on it, but my guts tell me that there is something wrong with Phoenix. This is where I kind of agree with On_Slaught when he talks about bad game design. Anyway I still love Marvel so it's all good. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:50 On_Slaught wrote: The Risk/Reward on Ryu isn't in the same galaxy as DP. That's exactly why DP (and Zero) are not bad game design. :/ | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:50 Shiragaku wrote: I personally believe that Daigo is overpowered, not Ryu. I personally believe On_Slaught is reaching to discredit FlipChamp, so we are on the same page! | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Fiercegore
United States294 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
Indoor sunglasses lol | ||
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ShoKakuUtena
United States304 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:47 On_Slaught wrote: This is a good explanation. Still think it is bad game design but w/e. Not like Evo cares (tho the fans still boo her lol). Believe me, I also hate Phoenix b/c it brings a very negative type of meta to the game. Her + X-Factor are the pinnacle of what a comeback should not be lol. Either way, I really believe that team synergy is the key to Marvel...Unfortunately we're not really seeing that at all, now that all these glitches knock out any chance of people finding team tech like the Japanese (MameSpider & Kusoru) are showing us. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
edit: or games like that where he would have clearly won if dp didn't exsist | ||
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publicenemies
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