EPTOn July 08 2012 12:53 publicenemies wrote:
Anyone know where the bracket is?
Anyone know where the bracket is?
http://challonge.com/evo_umvctop32
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TieN.nS)
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On_Slaught
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On July 08 2012 12:51 CosmicSpiral wrote: That's exactly why DP (and Zero) are not bad game design. :/ But when you're really really good, like FChamp is, then the risk drops considrably and the Reward rises. That is fine until you consider what was supposed to balance DP in the first place was the risk. Going in circles at this point. Esports yo. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On July 08 2012 11:42 semantics wrote: I just feel dirty watching flocker play, but in the same instance it's against viscant... soo =p You do realize that if i quote you it doesn't mean i have to make a direct response to what you posted, anyways your remark is silly if you don't understand how competitive pro games work. All you have to do is look at traditional games, like basketball or football and then ask yourself why or how bigger prizes help grow a scene. If you don't understand admiration and emulation then you'll never understand how ads work on people nor will you understand how more money in a prize pool attracts more players to compete and thus more people to shine and attract others. Pro games is about money that's what makes it pro, money to players money to companies sponsoring events and players coming from envious/amazed viewers. By quoting someone, your actions *do* imply that you are responding to the quoted post. That is why you also have the option of making an unrelated post at the bottom of the page, or delete the quoted text. Your remark is also the perfect example of "ESPORTS" people not understanding how the FGC has grown. Payouts do help to allow increasing the infrastructure of events and sustain increasing player training regimes via sponsorships. But at the end, FGC has grown at a grassroots level, and money is not why players get involved. MLGs thousands in prize money did not help it outperform a major in player attendance. Japan has the most competitive scene in the world despite pots not being common in tournaments, if any (SBO is extraordinary in this regard). Evo developed in an era where sponsorship and corporate support was basically nil. Players play games that have zero chances to be taken seriously, even less to have a pot that pays off travel expenses for the winner. Le's put it this way. Starcraft 2's competitive scene will die the day that Blizzard thinks it no longer sells enough copies, or decides its better to milk a new game. Evo is running a special Super Street Fighter II Turbo tournament, a game released in 1994. If somehow all sponsorship is pulled off, there will still be an Evo in some way or form, just like 10 years ago. And this is why the FGC doesn't quite wants to be ESPORTS. Under the current business model, the extra money comes at the expense of autonomy. It becomes indentured service. | ||
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Quenchiest
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:56 On_Slaught wrote: But when you're really really good, like FChamp is, then the risk drops considrably and the Reward rises. That is fine until you consider what was supposed to balance DP in the first place was the risk. Going in circles at this point. Esports yo. So FChamp is really really good but the only way that Phoenix isn't the reason he's winning is if he doesn't win? | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:56 On_Slaught wrote: But when you're really really good, like FChamp is, then the risk drops considrably and the Reward rises. That is fine until you consider what was supposed to balance DP in the first place was the risk. Going in circles at this point. Esports yo. ...that arguments applies to players like Fanatiq, Noel Brown, etc. too. Please remember that everyone he has played against today is not close to his level. He can afford to use the Phoenix teams because of that, as well as the fact that they don't have the tools to negate DP play. Just because Flocker dominates with Zero doesn't mean the Zero hype will always be around. C. Viper was considered to be trash at one point. Then people figured out the proper tech and she became a one-touch killer character with high execution. Wesker was godly at one point, today he is not. DP was arguably OP at one point, now she was nerfed and players actually have plans to beat her. | ||
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Looms
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publicenemies
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
"If Phoenix is that OP why doesn't everyone abuse her?" For example that one dude earlier on got demolished when he tried that. Also I think that his strategy is awesome, totally my favorite player in this tournament (Though I've never played the game and don't know much) | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:58 TieN.nS) wrote: So FChamp is really really good but the only way that Phoenix isn't the reason he's winning is if he doesn't win? This guy is just salty... FChamp has said over and over his phoenix team is much weaker than with dorm, and every other pro agrees. | ||
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Redmark
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Shiragaku
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:02 Redmark wrote: What the fuck, apparently Yipes and Chris G are in danger of being DQ'd for not being at the station. This after ShadyK got DQed earlier, lol. This is understandable early mornings but during top 32 you have to know you gotta be there. x_x | ||
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ShoKakuUtena
United States304 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:58 CosmicSpiral wrote: ...that arguments applies to players like Fanatiq, Noel Brown, etc. too. Please remember that everyone he has played against today is not close to his level. He can afford to use the Phoenix teams because of that, as well as the fact that they don't have the tools to negate DP play. Just because Flocker dominates with Zero doesn't mean the Zero hype will always be around. C. Viper was considered to be trash at one point. Then people figured out the proper tech and she became a one-touch killer character with high execution. Add Knives to that list. XD Had nothing to deal with Phoenix as his team is Spencer-oriented. And if anything, X-Factor is the REAL reason why Dark Phoenix is dangerous at all. X-Factor nullifies the fact that DP will lose health over time and has to spend meter (which isn't there initially when she transforms) to gain healing field. X-Factor's boosts to her move speed and damage just add to her already boosted mechanics. Without X-Factor, DP is much less threatening. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:03 TieN.nS) wrote: This after ShadyK got DQed earlier, lol. This is understandable early mornings but during top 32 you have to know you gotta be there. x_x If they get DQ'd it is actually going to be free for champ. Like, I won't even bother to watch free. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:04 Redmark wrote: If they get DQ'd it is actually going to be free for champ. Like, I won't even bother to watch free. Eh, he faces Chou next and then winner between Justin/Combofiend/Yipes probably. So it'll be ok! Chris G wound up losing to Flocker after showing up and he's on the other side of the bracket anyway. | ||
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Redmark
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CosmicSpiral
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TieN.nS)
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On July 08 2012 13:07 Redmark wrote: Yeah, but he beat Chou and Yipes pretty hard at FGTV house and Justin's not been that impressive. It's still Justin and if there was ever a time to finally break out that Wolverine tech he's been hiding, it'll be against FlipChamp. Chou's still got an ace up his sleeve too. | ||
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