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ShoKakuUtena
Profile Joined May 2011
United States304 Posts
July 08 2012 03:29 GMT
#1901
Damn, Viscant going back to the cheap stuff. Just needs the vest now.
世界を革命する力を。
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 08 2012 03:29 GMT
#1902
So we can agree on one thing: this game has a lot of bullshit tactics?

You still aren't addressing my point. Idc if there are ways to beat Phoenix-teams. My point is that Dark Phoenix herself is stupidly overpowered. You agree to that yes? Then if we accept that, even if it is VERY HARD to get to her, and there MANY TACTICS to beat her teams, the fact that IF you get to her you are almost guaranteed to win is bad game design.

Then you have somebody, like Fchamp, who has figured out how to get to her at least 3/5 games, and you break the game.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
July 08 2012 03:30 GMT
#1903
It's like Dark Swarm + Lurkers. If it was in SC2 noobs would whine endlessly. In the context of Brood War at high level play? It's fine.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 03:37:27
July 08 2012 03:31 GMT
#1904
On July 08 2012 12:29 On_Slaught wrote:
So we can agree on one thing: this game has a lot of bullshit tactics?

You still aren't addressing my point. Idc if there are ways to beat Phoenix-teams. My point is that Dark Phoenix herself is stupidly overpowered. You agree to that yes? Then if we accept that, even if it is VERY HARD to get to her, and there MANY TACTICS to beat her teams, the fact that IF you get to her you are almost guaranteed to win is bad game design.

Then you have somebody, like Fchamp, who has figured out how to get to her at least 3/5 games, and you break the game.


The only way DP can be blatantly overpowered is if there are no reliable strategies to beat it. Don't confuse overpowered with being salty or hard.

And why are you contradicting yourself? When FChamp played his Phoenix team against Mamespider at the FGTV house, he got to Dark Phoenix and got bodied by Spiderman. Nobody considers Spiderman close to top-tier, yet Spiderman is actually a great character to nullify's DP's advantages (just like Morrigan).

Even Vergil isn't close to being broken. He just has a lot of easy good moves and that's why many players are quickly picking him up. But you can see that the good players who dedicate themselves to specific characters are far better than any of these scrubs, and they can beat down other good players with Vergil teams easily. Dormammu is arguably top 5 but there are maybe 2 players in the world who can seamlessly transition from lame play to rushdown.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
ThisIsJimmy
Profile Joined July 2004
United States546 Posts
July 08 2012 03:31 GMT
#1905
Is there a bracket for top 32 or something? I am lost in terms of where the tournament is but I do love dat marvel
Twitter @_ThisIsJimmy_
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 08 2012 03:33 GMT
#1906
On July 08 2012 12:30 TieN.nS) wrote:
It's like Dark Swarm + Lurkers. If it was in SC2 noobs would whine endlessly. In the context of Brood War at high level play? It's fine.


Terrible analogy since DS + Lurkers wasn't anywhere close to unbeatable even if you did get to it.

DP obviously isn't unbeatable, but she is damn near it in the hands of a good player.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 08 2012 03:34 GMT
#1907
On July 08 2012 12:33 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 12:30 TieN.nS) wrote:
It's like Dark Swarm + Lurkers. If it was in SC2 noobs would whine endlessly. In the context of Brood War at high level play? It's fine.


Terrible analogy since DS + Lurkers wasn't anywhere close to unbeatable even if you did get to it.

DP obviously isn't unbeatable, but she is damn near it in the hands of a good player.


Not true at all. Listen you can harp on this all you want, but no one who actually plays is going to agree with you. Sorry bud, you missed the phoenix is OP train last year :/
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
July 08 2012 03:34 GMT
#1908
Are the official brackets really behind? I'm trying to follow the stream and the brackets at the same time but it really hard.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 03:35:05
July 08 2012 03:34 GMT
#1909
On July 08 2012 12:33 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 12:30 TieN.nS) wrote:
It's like Dark Swarm + Lurkers. If it was in SC2 noobs would whine endlessly. In the context of Brood War at high level play? It's fine.


Terrible analogy since DS + Lurkers wasn't anywhere close to unbeatable even if you did get to it.

DP obviously isn't unbeatable, but she is damn near it in the hands of a good player.


Cool, how about we go back to snapping her in, exchange glitching, or any of the other anti-Phoenix tech? Looking pretty free now.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 08 2012 03:35 GMT
#1910
WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?!?!?!?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
July 08 2012 03:35 GMT
#1911
On July 08 2012 12:34 johnnyspazz wrote:
Are the official brackets really behind? I'm trying to follow the stream and the brackets at the same time but it really hard.


Yeah, they have to be updated by hand so they're always gonna be behind.
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1912
viscant choked
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1913
Wow viscant gave it away...
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1914
FUCKING DUMBASS REALLY JUST CALLED PHOENIX ASSIST.
Fan of the Jangbanger
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1915
What buttons was he pressing?
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1916
Sick comeback
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1917
damn viscant
starleague forever
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1918
phoenix vs phoenix man, just forget that loss Viscant
o choro é livre
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1919
Holy shit.... that was fucked up.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Ognam
Profile Joined October 2011
United States798 Posts
July 08 2012 03:36 GMT
#1920
On July 08 2012 12:29 On_Slaught wrote:
So we can agree on one thing: this game has a lot of bullshit tactics?

You still aren't addressing my point. Idc if there are ways to beat Phoenix-teams. My point is that Dark Phoenix herself is stupidly overpowered. You agree to that yes? Then if we accept that, even if it is VERY HARD to get to her, and there MANY TACTICS to beat her teams, the fact that IF you get to her you are almost guaranteed to win is bad game design.

Then you have somebody, like Fchamp, who has figured out how to get to her at least 3/5 games, and you break the game.

You missed the Phoenix OP boat by a year. She's perfectly fine in UMVC3
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