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Obsidian
Profile Joined June 2010
United States350 Posts
June 21 2012 15:50 GMT
#61
Note, the new Mechwarrior thats due out soon has a good chance of going eSport. Previous Battletec games have had an international tournament scene, even well before the original Starcraft. Combine the newer technology with the online inherent nature, and I think we've got a strong contender.
Luke, you are still a wanker!
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
June 21 2012 16:03 GMT
#62
I wanted to vote dota 2, but those who did vote dota 2 don't realize the difficulty it takes to maintain a 5-member team. If you have a reliable team, play dota 2. If not, what a gigantic waste of time it can be.

With sc2, if you're good enough, you'll make it. With dota 2, if your entire team is good enough, you'll make it. No way am I relying on 4 other people to be not only as talented, but as hard working, and as determined. It's almost impossible.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 21 2012 16:10 GMT
#63
On June 22 2012 00:50 Obsidian wrote:
Note, the new Mechwarrior thats due out soon has a good chance of going eSport. Previous Battletec games have had an international tournament scene, even well before the original Starcraft. Combine the newer technology with the online inherent nature, and I think we've got a strong contender.


Hehe, sadly me a FPS dont mix, ever :3 really rather terrible at them :3
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 21 2012 16:13 GMT
#64
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On June 22 2012 00:26 Razith wrote:
Well considering we are talking about your career, I think you need to consider many variables outside of just 'which game is more fun'. Granted that this is important, I believe you already have a passion for video games. That, combined with your ambition, will find SC2 / DotA 2 / LoL all very satisfying, and should not be the / only main driver in your decision making. Each of these games go very deep at the top-end skill level.

What I think you need to look at is the company behind each game. Unlike a sport like hockey, where the rules can be difficult to change and are more or less concrete, eSports are still games, are under control of a single entity, and can change things as they see fit. While the companies do have incentives to not introduce knee-jerk changes that would ruin their game, you still run this risk as all decision making is out of your control, especially if all decision making falls onto one person.

Where you should start is looking at Valve, Blizzard and Riot, and look into their management / development teams. Ask yourself questions like "Are they public / private, what are their incentives, do we share similar views in the long term, etc." You are investing your time into one of these companies, and it is an important investment philosophy that you align your investments with your own personal views and incentives. That way you can better understand them, and better predict their outcome.

Next I would consider transfer-ability of skill. Obviously LoL and Dota2 are going to be the closest comparables. You can't invest all your time into something which, if goes sour, you lose all of your investment. You need a plan B.

Consider the pro-scene / viewership of each game. This is your market, and you need to make sure its big enough and experiencing solid growth. You are going to take a piece of that market, so make sure there is enough for you to be satisfied and still have room to grow. I must stress that this should be measured in dollars. Popularity doesn't always dictate wealth, you need to make sure the scene you are entering has lots of equity and that viewers are willing to pay to watch the games. You need to secure payment; living paycheck to paycheck wondering if they'll keep coming is not a good way to live your life.

And then lastly, consider the game. What's the meta-trends like? How accessible is it to people (this is why soccer is so popular)? Is it fun at all levels of play? Is the game so played out its like chess? These are very important questions to ask yourself as well.

I hope these help. They should guide you into your decision making and assist you; there are many more factors to consider.

And because everyone is picking and I haven't played Dota2, I would pick League of Legends over SC2.

Edit: Also where can I get a key to try Dota 2?




thanks for the epic feedback, you really hit the nail on the head about how while fun is somthing that i definatly need to consider, it should'nt be the n1 deciding factor.

i really need to sit down and think of what you've said, its an amazing post, really top notch. thanks :3
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Vernay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom76 Posts
June 21 2012 16:15 GMT
#65
On June 22 2012 01:03 danl9rm wrote:
I wanted to vote dota 2, but those who did vote dota 2 don't realize the difficulty it takes to maintain a 5-member team. If you have a reliable team, play dota 2. If not, what a gigantic waste of time it can be.

With sc2, if you're good enough, you'll make it. With dota 2, if your entire team is good enough, you'll make it. No way am I relying on 4 other people to be not only as talented, but as hard working, and as determined. It's almost impossible.


As a person coming from a team based game, i know what you're talking about here, and there were times, even at the top end of MMO gaming, that i experienced issues getting players who were "talented...hard working...determined" this scares me about MOBA's in general
"Skill makes a good player, Attitude makes a great one."
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
June 21 2012 16:23 GMT
#66
On June 22 2012 01:15 Vernay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:03 danl9rm wrote:
I wanted to vote dota 2, but those who did vote dota 2 don't realize the difficulty it takes to maintain a 5-member team. If you have a reliable team, play dota 2. If not, what a gigantic waste of time it can be.

With sc2, if you're good enough, you'll make it. With dota 2, if your entire team is good enough, you'll make it. No way am I relying on 4 other people to be not only as talented, but as hard working, and as determined. It's almost impossible.


As a person coming from a team based game, i know what you're talking about here, and there were times, even at the top end of MMO gaming, that i experienced issues getting players who were "talented...hard working...determined" this scares me about MOBA's in general


Yeah.

If you think you can get a nice little team together ,go for DotA 2 for sure. If you want to rely purely on yourself for the most part, def go Starcraft 2. Both games have fantastic futures.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
June 21 2012 16:24 GMT
#67
On June 22 2012 01:15 Vernay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:03 danl9rm wrote:
I wanted to vote dota 2, but those who did vote dota 2 don't realize the difficulty it takes to maintain a 5-member team. If you have a reliable team, play dota 2. If not, what a gigantic waste of time it can be.

With sc2, if you're good enough, you'll make it. With dota 2, if your entire team is good enough, you'll make it. No way am I relying on 4 other people to be not only as talented, but as hard working, and as determined. It's almost impossible.


As a person coming from a team based game, i know what you're talking about here, and there were times, even at the top end of MMO gaming, that i experienced issues getting players who were "talented...hard working...determined" this scares me about MOBA's in general


I hear ya man. This is what eventually brought down my halo 2 team back in the day. It was like leading a band where everyone wanted to play lead, but take none of the responsibility.

Sooo hard.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Silencioseu
Profile Joined June 2011
Cyprus493 Posts
July 08 2012 13:58 GMT
#68
Sorry if i missed anything, but ex-pro MMO player doesn't say anything to me, if you could specify the games and at whether you were pro in pvp or pve. Thanks in advance
i kno i r badass no need to repeat
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