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RodrigoX
Profile Joined November 2009
United States645 Posts
June 20 2012 23:52 GMT
#21
play LoL, its by far the easiest game out of all these
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Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
June 20 2012 23:54 GMT
#22
I would say LoL since its a Team game and its close to something you would see in WoW Arena. Also its pretty popular right now, you said SC2 isn't that big in Europe but I'm pretty sure the LoL Scene in Euro is big, probably bigger than in the U.S.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 20 2012 23:56 GMT
#23
If you're looking for stability, SC2 would probably be the best option. LoL is still in its initial growing stage, so it remains to be seen how it works out once it starts to deflate. Dota2 can only go up from where it is now.

It's immensely difficult to break into SC2's pro scene, however. Being a good player isn't enough. You also need some way to get noticed and picked up by a pro team. Some do it by streaming, others do it by releasing a lot of content to the community, still others do it by stirring shit up. You could also place really well at major tournaments, but that's even more difficult, lol.
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Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
June 21 2012 00:00 GMT
#24
On June 21 2012 08:11 Vernay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 08:09 Celestia wrote:
What about Guildwars 2? There could be this chance that it becomes big, but I really don't know about MMOs, im just speculating.


GW2 will not be an esport, anyone who thinks it will be has been kidding them selves, sadly they fell into the fatal trap of circle capping being the only viable strategy


I'm sorry to heard that, to be honest the only thing I know about the game comes from one video, its called ten things you should know about GW2 or something.
Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
June 21 2012 00:10 GMT
#25
I voted other even though i sort of agree with the people saying dota 2, I'd also suggest HoN, its currently getting a spot in NASL (at least it did) and it just had its first Dreamhack appearance, where the prizes were bigger than either lol or dota, even though the scene is a bit smaller.

Total Prizepools at dreamhack were:

HoN: £40,000
LoL: £27,000
Dota 2: £20,000
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 21 2012 00:10 GMT
#26
if you have no money worries for the next few years and its a choice between SC2 and poker, id say go for poker..
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
June 21 2012 00:19 GMT
#27
Screw the standard Mobas talked about, go for Smite! It's in closed beta, but it is a Moba with an mmo perspective...

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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 00:41:34
June 21 2012 00:34 GMT
#28
On June 21 2012 09:10 Gulf wrote:
I voted other even though i sort of agree with the people saying dota 2, I'd also suggest HoN, its currently getting a spot in NASL (at least it did) and it just had its first Dreamhack appearance, where the prizes were bigger than either lol or dota, even though the scene is a bit smaller.

Total Prizepools at dreamhack were:

HoN: £40,000
LoL: £27,000
Dota 2: £20,000

dont talk bullshit. hon has been at dreamhack for years. the prizes are only bigger because s2 pumps all their money into a fruitless competitive scene. the "competitive" scene in hon is a joke. and dont get me started on the game/balance itself.
guildwars 2 will sadly be bullshit (regarding pvp) since they sadly didnt copy GvG 1:1 from gw1. which used to be easily one of the best pvp competitions ever.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
June 21 2012 00:34 GMT
#29
On June 21 2012 07:55 TBone- wrote:
Bloodline Champions may be your style, but its not super huge. They were at Dreamhack though. Diablo 3 pvp may have a pro scene? But no one really knows on that.


It won't.

Blizzard specifically said during the beta they weren't going to strictly balance PvP for any sort of competitive scene. It's strictly meant to be a side game.
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Mr. Nefarious
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
June 21 2012 00:49 GMT
#30
lol is outrageously easy, as a 220 APM zerg I had no problem smashing with a few friends who knew the game. QWER all day, no skill. Only frustrating bit is you will constantly lose games in which you yourself perform fantastically.
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Selkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States530 Posts
June 21 2012 00:51 GMT
#31
LoL, because while I'm going to get some hate for this:

1) LoL is an easier game than starcraft. You can get to the top faster.

2) LoL's graphics are better than DOTA's. This means LoL will probably beat out DOTA in the long run.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 01:08:55
June 21 2012 01:07 GMT
#32
For the question of DotA 2 vs LoL, it depends what level you really want to compete at.

Because of the vast wellspring of DotA experience that the top DotA 2 teams are drawing from, there's an astronomical barrier of entry for the new player who is looking to play competitively. This is further complicated by the fact that you need to actually find a team to play with if you want to compete seriously--having individual talent/skill on its own isn't going to get you anywhere. Just look at the competititors in DotA 2 events. How many teams have players are not already vastly experienced with DotA 1 or HoN?

The scene for LoL is much newer, and is still growing. There's much more room for new players to break onto the professional scene. This is not to say the game is necessarily easier (that's another discussion in and of itself that's not really relevant), but the fact that the scene is still growing means that there's much more room for a new player to do well, get noticed, and play on a competitive team.

TL;DR: Playing on a serious competitive team is pretty much a pipe dream for a first-time DotA 2 player. As much as people might argue that it's the better game, it's much harder for someone's competitive Esports aspirations to come to fruition playing DotA 2.
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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
June 21 2012 01:12 GMT
#33
On June 21 2012 09:51 Selkie wrote:
LoL, because while I'm going to get some hate for this:

1) LoL is an easier game than starcraft. You can get to the top faster.

2) LoL's graphics are better than DOTA's. This means LoL will probably beat out DOTA in the long run.


wut.
more like LoL has a larger player base, thats going to allow it to survive.

Go pick something you want, if you want a challenge, DotA2 is a good option. SC2 might be way out of your league , so far theres been no high level MMO player who pretty much broke into the proscene and won tourneys and shit. Remember, you won't survive in the scene if you can't stay at the top. Mediocre pro doesn't cut it most of the time, and if you want to be a community figure you have to have something to bring into the scene that is fresh and exiting.
LoL is pretty easy, ranked is a bitch if you don't go duo que from my experience (because if you drop to ELO hell, you're never coming back).
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 21 2012 01:24 GMT
#34
On June 21 2012 10:07 TheYango wrote:
For the question of DotA 2 vs LoL, it depends what level you really want to compete at.

Because of the vast wellspring of DotA experience that the top DotA 2 teams are drawing from, there's an astronomical barrier of entry for the new player who is looking to play competitively. This is further complicated by the fact that you need to actually find a team to play with if you want to compete seriously--having individual talent/skill on its own isn't going to get you anywhere. Just look at the competititors in DotA 2 events. How many teams have players are not already vastly experienced with DotA 1 or HoN?

The scene for LoL is much newer, and is still growing. There's much more room for new players to break onto the professional scene. This is not to say the game is necessarily easier (that's another discussion in and of itself that's not really relevant), but the fact that the scene is still growing means that there's much more room for a new player to do well, get noticed, and play on a competitive team.

TL;DR: Playing on a serious competitive team is pretty much a pipe dream for a first-time DotA 2 player. As much as people might argue that it's the better game, it's much harder for someone's competitive Esports aspirations to come to fruition playing DotA 2.


This all over again.

If you want to go where the money is, I'd roll with LoL all day. Most professional teams out there at the moment practice very inefficently if you compare them to DotA or SC2 teams. As much as I love watching pro DotA 2 more than League I'm pretty confident in saying that it should be easier to get to the top in League. It's simply way less crowded. =P
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ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
June 21 2012 01:49 GMT
#35
LoL seems like it would be the most similar to MMO's, however I think if you are willing to buckle down and practice all day everyday SC2 will have more opportunity for you.
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Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
June 21 2012 02:03 GMT
#36
On June 21 2012 09:34 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 09:10 Gulf wrote:
I voted other even though i sort of agree with the people saying dota 2, I'd also suggest HoN, its currently getting a spot in NASL (at least it did) and it just had its first Dreamhack appearance, where the prizes were bigger than either lol or dota, even though the scene is a bit smaller.

Total Prizepools at dreamhack were:

HoN: £40,000
LoL: £27,000
Dota 2: £20,000

dont talk bullshit. hon has been at dreamhack for years. the prizes are only bigger because s2 pumps all their money into a fruitless competitive scene. the "competitive" scene in hon is a joke. and dont get me started on the game/balance itself.
guildwars 2 will sadly be bullshit (regarding pvp) since they sadly didnt copy GvG 1:1 from gw1. which used to be easily one of the best pvp competitions ever.


Its been there yeah, but but this was the first major 'DreamHon' event that was organised. But honestly "the prizes are only bigger because s2 pumps all their money into a fruitless competitive scene" since when did it matter where the prize money came from? Assuming we're not talking exploitation etc...
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
June 21 2012 02:30 GMT
#37
On June 21 2012 11:03 Gulf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 09:34 teddyoojo wrote:
On June 21 2012 09:10 Gulf wrote:
I voted other even though i sort of agree with the people saying dota 2, I'd also suggest HoN, its currently getting a spot in NASL (at least it did) and it just had its first Dreamhack appearance, where the prizes were bigger than either lol or dota, even though the scene is a bit smaller.

Total Prizepools at dreamhack were:

HoN: £40,000
LoL: £27,000
Dota 2: £20,000

dont talk bullshit. hon has been at dreamhack for years. the prizes are only bigger because s2 pumps all their money into a fruitless competitive scene. the "competitive" scene in hon is a joke. and dont get me started on the game/balance itself.
guildwars 2 will sadly be bullshit (regarding pvp) since they sadly didnt copy GvG 1:1 from gw1. which used to be easily one of the best pvp competitions ever.


Its been there yeah, but but this was the first major 'DreamHon' event that was organised. But honestly "the prizes are only bigger because s2 pumps all their money into a fruitless competitive scene" since when did it matter where the prize money came from? Assuming we're not talking exploitation etc...


Well that s2 provided all the prize money, implies sponsors aren't particularly interested
oscar62
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 03:18:30
June 21 2012 03:17 GMT
#38
league is a great game, it proved that you can make a dota-like game without being an exact copy of dota.

people who talk out of their dick assume it's just a watered down clone, but honestly they actually made a lot of pretty big changes to the formula, and in it's current state it's a damn good game.

play dota if you want to fucking play dota

play league if you like dota but don't want to fucking play dota anymore

play something else if it's what you like best!

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as for which is the best to venture into from a competitive/semi-pro player standpoint, i fully expect dota and league to be the two games taking esports to the top, with the starcraft 2's and global offensive's coming along just behind them.

TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
June 21 2012 03:31 GMT
#39
eve!
Weebem-Na
Profile Joined May 2010
United States221 Posts
June 21 2012 04:56 GMT
#40
Get a smurf and pretend to be a random then when you earn an invite to a major tournament you can reveal your history and link everyone back to this blog where hopefully lots of people will go to page 2 and read this comment and then think about the irony of the situation they are currently in.

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