EPTThe options are there, but now you don't need to mind control the aliens to raise the different stats you want
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
The options are there, but now you don't need to mind control the aliens to raise the different stats you want | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:20 DaCruise wrote: No, no and no! The original had hardly any rpg elements but in this new version they add those elements, which make the soldiers stand out and not be identical like in the original. Basically the opposite of what you claim is true. I am also skeptical about the removement of inventory management but it may work out however I am glad if there wont be base defense missions since I always hated those no matter what XCOM game I was playing. Having a single core base and then optional strategic bases with fighters is a great choice imo. In the original series you had 10 different attributes, all which you leveled up through use. For instance you had to level up your strength to carry heavier weapons/armor/equipment and to throw grenades longer. All attributes were randomized in all characters and some "classes" emerged naturally. Personally I used the best ones with great firing accuracy/reactions/bravery/psi-defence as point men, then I had a few grenade lobbers to clear areas/open walls and finally 1 or 2 rocket launching dudes with MC/PSI skills in the back. Sometimes I used a robot to scout as they didn't gain levels and were replaceable. I don't know what RPG elements has been introduced in this new version, but from what I've seen in the demo it's binary choices between having something like more grenades or another weapon when you've killed a fixed amount of aliens. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:47 Godwrath wrote: I get what he means. There will be an option to set stats on random if you want to, and also you can fit your soldiers differently, for example you can play a kind of shotgun assault soldier high damage rocketeer style, fitting huge burst damage dealer, or an assault more defensive based on protecting from flankings and exposing opponents, more like a map control unit, or also you can make an assault shotgun soldier more defensive as a scout while being able to deal with most close combat opponents easilly so he can get into close range easier. The options are there, but now you don't need to mind control the aliens to raise the different stats you want Thanks, you've redeemed the game somewhat. I guess I just have to see how it is when it's released. | ||
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HoboJoe20
Canada63 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:09 VoirDire wrote: UFO/X-Com was a tactical RPG (with base building elements). From what I've seen, they've gotten rid of the RPG element completely and that is pretty "core". Why would I care about losing a character if I can make an identical one? I also really enjoyed the inventory management, but maybe that's just me. The tactical side seems fine though, even though they lost a lot of complexity when got rid of time units. The base building part I have no opinion of, but if they got rid of multiple bases and base defence I'm not sure there's much left there either. From what I can tell, each character class has it's own talent tree with skill unlocks as they gain ranks still, along with inventory management handled between missions only. It's still there, but just streamlined a little bit more than the original (since each soldier is a specific class, instead of anything really). It looks to be true in the core design layer to the original, with enough changes to make it a new and uniquely interesting game. I'm definitely looking forward to it. | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
See alien Kill alien Works pretty well. Sure, for certain missions such as base assaults or the final mission you'll want a full squad of good psi strength guys but apart from that, the naturally good soldiers will survive and the bad soldiers won't. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Base assaults into Psi gifted races means you're pretty much under Psi siege from turn 2 and after turn 20 you'll always be under it. If your troops aren't Psi resistant, the aliens will panic and mc half your squad, the other half panics/berserks because of the morale loss and you're generally effed. Rest is just being patient and careful. Buildings blocking LoS and potential hostiles there? Instead of filing through doorways, just level the damn building. Laser weapons with unlimited ammo, form a firing line and blast a few turns. Barns turn into few standing wall sections, orchards turn to ash and so forth. Rocket launchers, grenades, heavy explosives, all goes. Except in terror missions where you might want to avoid civilian casualties if you are concerned about your monthly score. I use 3 classes as I play - trooper. has armor, weapon and medikit. Laser rifles or heavy plasmas. Stun weapons if I need alien navigator/leader/commander for tech purposes - rear commander. the highest rank soldier I have, all stats (except Psi str in base assault) irrelevant. Sits in the landing craft whole mission with a mind probe in hand to check aliens for rank and remaining TUs for capture. He is there purely to keep morale high on the troopers in case a lot of them die so the rest won't panic/berserk. - psi troops. usually 2, stay in the ship, equipped with Mind Amps and nothing else. Will try to MC/panic aliens that pose a threat my troopers can't safely remove. MCed aliens work as perfect disposable scouts. | ||
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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
Looking forward to the 12th (sadly not the 9th) now and hope there's some replayablity. I played the old one a bit a few days back as well. Last time I played it was maybe about 2 years ago and I'm always amazed how advanced this game was despite of its age. Sadly it's one of the genres that never really got big and nowadays hardly games like these come out anymore. Even the latest Jagged Alliance was changed to a more real time based game. Not sure if you could really compare the Disgaea series, but I always loved these and at least they're still around. Another genre that kinda died out, which was quite a favorite of mine, is the space-sim. Like Tie Fighter, X-Wing, Freelancer, Starlancer, Wing Commander... I miss games like these. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
http://es.twitch.tv/gamereviewtv | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
http://androidarts.com/xcom/rebelsquad.htm That guy has so many cool ideas. | ||
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YMCApylons
Taiwan359 Posts
On October 06 2012 19:09 daemir wrote: Unless you're playing Superhuman level in original, the only really important stat your soldiers have is Psi Strength. Attacking a Sectoid or Ethereal base is suicide without Psi resistant troops, because the AI cheats. All it needs is LoS of _any_ of your squad/HWPs with any of its units to launch Psi attacks at any of your unit (it always picks the one with least resistance, based on distance) and after turn 20 it gains maphack so it always sees all your units. Base assaults into Psi gifted races means you're pretty much under Psi siege from turn 2 and after turn 20 you'll always be under it. If your troops aren't Psi resistant, the aliens will panic and mc half your squad, the other half panics/berserks because of the morale loss and you're generally effed. Rest is just being patient and careful. Buildings blocking LoS and potential hostiles there? Instead of filing through doorways, just level the damn building. Laser weapons with unlimited ammo, form a firing line and blast a few turns. Barns turn into few standing wall sections, orchards turn to ash and so forth. Rocket launchers, grenades, heavy explosives, all goes. Except in terror missions where you might want to avoid civilian casualties if you are concerned about your monthly score. I use 3 classes as I play - trooper. has armor, weapon and medikit. Laser rifles or heavy plasmas. Stun weapons if I need alien navigator/leader/commander for tech purposes - rear commander. the highest rank soldier I have, all stats (except Psi str in base assault) irrelevant. Sits in the landing craft whole mission with a mind probe in hand to check aliens for rank and remaining TUs for capture. He is there purely to keep morale high on the troopers in case a lot of them die so the rest won't panic/berserk. - psi troops. usually 2, stay in the ship, equipped with Mind Amps and nothing else. Will try to MC/panic aliens that pose a threat my troopers can't safely remove. MCed aliens work as perfect disposable scouts. Quoted for truth: + I used to hire batches of 30 soldiers, have them psi-tested, and keep the five strongest. + Rear commander is vital for morale purposes. + In the early game, troopers split into four classes. Snipers, scouts, heavies, and fodder. Fodder suicides through UFO doors to take reaction shots. Scouts (high reaction) have grenades and pistols and sweep forward to look for aliens. Snipers (high accuracy) take the shot. Heavy (high strength) use missile launchers and autocannons to blow holes in buildings, take out cyberdisks, and set fire to the forest for night jungle missions (although any good player would wait for daylight). + Late game, just psi troopers and plasma troopers. Maybe 2-4 guys with flying suits in more of a scouting role, with motion sensors. + In late game at high difficulty, add psy-sponges. Get a couple psy-weak soldiers, keep them unarmed, and let them get psy-bombed in the Skyranger, just absolutely freaking out every turn. + Except in terror missions, time is your friend. Do a slow, methodical sweep of the map, and don't be stingy with the explosives. When in doubt, blow a hole in that wall. | ||
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CitrusFo
Canada116 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 08 2012 12:32 CitrusFo wrote: I think ill stick with TFTD this one doesnt seem to hold the X-com spirit It depends on what "hold the X-COM spirit" means. If it means exact copy with upgrade graphic, then it's not. If it's mean a great turn-base game with intense moment and possible grieve of losing your whole squad, then it is very likely that it is a good successor or remake of the original one. | ||
GTR
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Candadar
2049 Posts
EDIT: Anyone with more experience though, feel free to convince me otherwise. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
On October 08 2012 13:21 Candadar wrote: I was extremely underwhelmed by the demo. So many cutscenes and so little gameplay, and the gameplay was some of the easiest stuff of my life. Plus no randomly generated maps. I'll be checking out more advanced gameplay after release, but I'm going to be a bit wary about this. It didn't give good first impressions. EDIT: Anyone with more experience though, feel free to convince me otherwise. Well most of the demo was tutorial which someone said can be skipped in the full game and the little actual gameplay you had was apparently on the easiest difficulty. I was worried as well but then I watched video someone linked where IGN guys were getting raped on classic. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Contrast that to a more class based game like Valkyrie Chronicles. I still enjoyed the game but the fact is, by the midgame, it's completely pointless to even use certain classes against certain enemies. However, the correct class can easily one-shot the correct enemy it counters and is even resistant to that enemy's attacks. The class system made the soldiers too specialized and one-dimensional. It feels like having a squad of rocks, papers and scissors instead of a squad of soldiers with different abilities. | ||
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pedduck
Thailand468 Posts
On October 08 2012 13:39 andrewlt wrote: I like the way the first three X-Com games handled stats. Some of your soldiers have better accuracy, strength, TUs etc. than others and are better suited for certain roles, but everybody can still get lucky shots with a weapon. For example, if your top sniper missed the alien, you still have the option of scrambling your lesser troops to try to kill that alien. Contrast that to a more class based game like Valkyrie Chronicles. I still enjoyed the game but the fact is, by the midgame, it's completely pointless to even use certain classes against certain enemies. However, the correct class can easily one-shot the correct enemy it counters and is even resistant to that enemy's attacks. The class system made the soldiers too specialized and one-dimensional. It feels like having a squad of rocks, papers and scissors instead of a squad of soldiers with different abilities. I think it is kind of normal that each class will be better against certain class. The thing is when we combine them in to a squad, they should be able to handle most situation the game throw at you. I think in Valkyrie Chronicles, the game want you to carefully select your squad from the list of available personal... but because each type of enemy has to be killed by each type of soldier, it become rocks, papers and scissors just like you said. It is better to have an enemy that can be kill by different ways. | ||
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