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LaNague
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Torte de Lini
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DarthPunk
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On May 29 2014 21:07 Torte de Lini wrote: Framerate for driving just abysmal. YEP. | ||
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MrTortoise
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consoles killed games  so i am gettign really mixed feelings from this thread Disapointment aside that it isnt the next jesus of games Is it a good game? will you get 40+ hours of entertainment from it? Eg since gta3 (the vaguley miami one) that francshise has felt incredibly consoley. not always end fo the world. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
That's about it. For me personally, playing anything other than the main campaign/story felt old, repetitive and pointless after one or two instances. Might as well have been a linear story-driven game for all I care, because nothing else seems worth the effort they put into it. | ||
Kipsate
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
On May 29 2014 16:36 DarthPunk wrote: The guy who made this video is a retard. He has some valid points here and there like the effects on water when you shoot it. Something like that shouldnt be 2014. But man this must be the whiniest nitpicker I´ve seen in a long time. Worst thing is that 3000+ people jump on the hatetrain so easy without trying it themselves. Some people just dont want to have fun and have a good time. Some points are just stupid he made: - Yes it has bugs and glitches but show me one game that doesnt have that nowadays. I think the only games that are bugfree are Nintendo games or a good amount of japanese games in general. If its not game breaking its not that bad. And its nothing that cant be patched. - He refers to PS 2 when he thinks something looks bad (when it actually isnt that bad). Most ragdolls in games look kinda silly. The only games where it looked somewhat realistic was GTA 4 and 5 cause of Euphoria. PS 2 was pretty good for its time so I dont get why people always mention "Playstaion 2 graphics" when it clearly isnt. - No Cheat Codes..... Really? What have Cheat Codes to do with "Next gen"? (Ignoring the fact that it isnt Next gen atleast for PC. TB made that point). This is one of the guys that plays Gta or any other sandbox game with cheats and then throws it into a corner cause its boring. If you think this is a bad PC Port. DONT PLAY IT ON PC GODDAMNIT. If you think its not worth 60 € or your regional equivalent. Dont buy it on the first day. Especially for PC where prices for games get lowered really fast anyways. Games are way overpriced anyways these days and you should only pay so much for a game when you really are a fanboy and have waited long for a game and you really want it. Test it before you buy it. Ask a friend if hes got the game and give it a go(Cause demos are really rare these days). And to the guy some posts above saying "consoles kill games". No. Just No. Thats not the problem. The problem are developers that think its a good idea to port every game for every system. It mostly started when Microsoft wanted some of the pie too and decided to throw a console on the market. Before it was way better. Only buy exclusives for PC and exclusives for Console. I do that too and I have no problems. Some games are better on Console (racing games and fighting games) and some are better on PC (Fps or mostly shooters in general and Strategy games). I have both PC and Playstation and Im totally fine with both of them. As long as you play the right games on the right systems. | ||
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c0ldfusion
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Tresher
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Talin
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MrTortoise
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On May 29 2014 23:26 Tresher wrote: And to the guy some posts above saying "consoles kill games". No. Just No. Thats not the problem. The problem are developers that think its a good idea to port every game for every system. It mostly started when Microsoft wanted some of the pie too and decided to throw a console on the market. Before it was way better. agreed, that was the moment when consoles really started to get insanley popular again and also the moment that games turned into genericoms AAA title. Anyway id disagree with what you said - its more specific ... the problem is that they don't rework the ui and so games that would be best played with a device other than a joypad get ruined ... because of the console consideration ... thus consoles are killing games. (Unless you want all games to require a joypad - ie be essentially 2d). If consoles came with a flat multi buttoned panel and a mouse then all would be great but the use case for consoles is whilst sitting on a sofa and being able to throw the controller to your mates, not sat in an environment that is essentially one you can work in. Anyway this got way OT, im probably not buying the game until its on discount. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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Torte de Lini
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On May 29 2014 23:48 Tresher wrote: ^ I have to admit the video is funny. But some points he mades are just...aaaarrrrggghhh! Like the scene where he says its easier to not hack and just melees every security. Well if thats the way he plays thats his problem not ours. Yeah, but it shows just how brain-dead the whole system is. A lot of games fail in this regard where they show the various ways to do something, but in the end; it's just easier to melee everyone and a game shouldn't be like that. It should force the user to get creative to achieve an objective for the challenge, not just for variety. On May 29 2014 23:26 Tresher wrote: The guy who made this video is a retard. He has some valid points here and there like the effects on water when you shoot it. Something like that shouldnt be 2014. But man this must be the whiniest nitpicker I´ve seen in a long time. Worst thing is that 3000+ people jump on the hatetrain so easy without trying it themselves. Some people just dont want to have fun and have a good time. Some points are just stupid he made: - Yes it has bugs and glitches but show me one game that doesnt have that nowadays. I think the only games that are bugfree are Nintendo games or a good amount of japanese games in general. If its not game breaking its not that bad. And its nothing that cant be patched. - He refers to PS 2 when he thinks something looks bad (when it actually isnt that bad). Most ragdolls in games look kinda silly. The only games where it looked somewhat realistic was GTA 4 and 5 cause of Euphoria. PS 2 was pretty good for its time so I dont get why people always mention "Playstaion 2 graphics" when it clearly isnt. - No Cheat Codes..... Really? What have Cheat Codes to do with "Next gen"? (Ignoring the fact that it isnt Next gen atleast for PC. TB made that point). This is one of the guys that plays Gta or any other sandbox game with cheats and then throws it into a corner cause its boring. If you think this is a bad PC Port. DONT PLAY IT ON PC GODDAMNIT. If you think its not worth 60 € or your regional equivalent. Dont buy it on the first day. Especially for PC where prices for games get lowered really fast anyways. Games are way overpriced anyways these days and you should only pay so much for a game when you really are a fanboy and have waited long for a game and you really want it. Test it before you buy it. Ask a friend if hes got the game and give it a go(Cause demos are really rare these days). And to the guy some posts above saying "consoles kill games". No. Just No. Thats not the problem. The problem are developers that think its a good idea to port every game for every system. It mostly started when Microsoft wanted some of the pie too and decided to throw a console on the market. Before it was way better. Only buy exclusives for PC and exclusives for Console. I do that too and I have no problems. Some games are better on Console (racing games and fighting games) and some are better on PC (Fps or mostly shooters in general and Strategy games). I have both PC and Playstation and Im totally fine with both of them. As long as you play the right games on the right systems. I mean your whole argument is so apologist it's really sickening. Watch Dogs has some really good moments, but your justifications for them cutting corners is for us to restrict platforms that are the most preferred... | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On May 29 2014 22:26 Talin wrote: For me personally, playing anything other than the main campaign/story felt old, repetitive and pointless after one or two instances. Might as well have been a linear story-driven game for all I care, because nothing else seems worth the effort they put into it. That's how I feel about most open world game nowadays. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On May 29 2014 23:26 Tresher wrote: The guy who made this video is a retard. He has some valid points here and there like the effects on water when you shoot it. Something like that shouldnt be 2014. But man this must be the whiniest nitpicker I´ve seen in a long time. Worst thing is that 3000+ people jump on the hatetrain so easy without trying it themselves. Some people just dont want to have fun and have a good time. Some points are just stupid he made: - Yes it has bugs and glitches but show me one game that doesnt have that nowadays. I think the only games that are bugfree are Nintendo games or a good amount of japanese games in general. If its not game breaking its not that bad. And its nothing that cant be patched. - He refers to PS 2 when he thinks something looks bad (when it actually isnt that bad). Most ragdolls in games look kinda silly. The only games where it looked somewhat realistic was GTA 4 and 5 cause of Euphoria. PS 2 was pretty good for its time so I dont get why people always mention "Playstaion 2 graphics" when it clearly isnt. - No Cheat Codes..... Really? What have Cheat Codes to do with "Next gen"? (Ignoring the fact that it isnt Next gen atleast for PC. TB made that point). This is one of the guys that plays Gta or any other sandbox game with cheats and then throws it into a corner cause its boring. If you think this is a bad PC Port. DONT PLAY IT ON PC GODDAMNIT. If you think its not worth 60 € or your regional equivalent. Dont buy it on the first day. Especially for PC where prices for games get lowered really fast anyways. Games are way overpriced anyways these days and you should only pay so much for a game when you really are a fanboy and have waited long for a game and you really want it. Test it before you buy it. Ask a friend if hes got the game and give it a go(Cause demos are really rare these days). And to the guy some posts above saying "consoles kill games". No. Just No. Thats not the problem. The problem are developers that think its a good idea to port every game for every system. It mostly started when Microsoft wanted some of the pie too and decided to throw a console on the market. Before it was way better. Only buy exclusives for PC and exclusives for Console. I do that too and I have no problems. Some games are better on Console (racing games and fighting games) and some are better on PC (Fps or mostly shooters in general and Strategy games). I have both PC and Playstation and Im totally fine with both of them. As long as you play the right games on the right systems. We need to stop being ok with game companies selling unfinished, buggy messes as "complete games". Why is it that when a game needs fixed and gets a patch, the devs are praised for listening to fans, or caring about their product; while pretty much any other product would be ridiculed for even one big flaw? Look at Vista and its problems with peripherals shortly after launch. Look at the red ring of death on the 360. Look at every product recall ever. The videogame software industry is the ONLY one where releasing broken crap and only fixing it after thousands of complaints is acceptable. And its not just bugs either, its design flaws. The hacking is shallow and pointless 95% of the time. The game is supposed to be about hacking, and you don't even have to do it! There are train tracks that take sharp, 90 degree turns instantly. Trains stop on a dime to avoid hitting you, and the instant you move out of the way they start right back up at full speed instantly. For an open world game, there's an awful lot of invisible walls. For a game in 2014, there's an awful lot of flat textures and pre-rendered reflections. No dynamic shadows either. | ||
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
Just so you guys know and that there are no misunderstoodings. I didnt wanted to apologize for the devs. I didnt even say they were cutting corners. And Im totally not okay with releasing buggy messes. But thats how it is nowadays. Like I said in my long rant: name me one modern game that is not buggy. The game has its moments but it also has its flaws that can ruin the atmosphere yes. There are tons of other videos from games like this and they are meant to be funny. But this video just screamed "Dont make your own opinion about the game and dont even think about buying it" at me. The guy acted like he was expecting an ultra-realistic simulator. I think we are still very far away from a game like this. I see it more as something like AC than an realistic Open world game. An Action-adventure with a lot of freedom. But definetly not some milestone in gaming (I played it at a friends house on PS 4). Like I said: Make your own opinion. And if you dont like something, dont buy it or try the demo or try to play it with one of your friends that owns the game. Nobody forces you to buy/play it on the first day. Wait for the price to get lowered UNLESS you really want it. If you enjoy it then its cool. Oh and sorry if anyone felt offended from my previous post. That was definetly not my intention | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22415 Posts
Tobad tens of thousands of people don't bother to inform themselves before a purchase so the publishers feel there going about things the right way. | ||
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On the topic of barbs at the game and/or devs/publishers: in most cases, I'd say people are just harsh and have no sympathy for the creative process. However, this is one of the most hyped experiences in recent years, and the dogshit job they did on the port alone tells me that somewhere along the line a guy said "yeah this is good, we can ship and sell multiple millions of this". Fuck that. Let the hate flow. Just so it's clear, I'm one of those crazy people that don't preorder every game that crops up. I wait until things come out and watch some gameplay. I don't own nor will I ever own this game. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On May 30 2014 05:55 Tresher wrote: @ Torte de Lini and Millitron Just so you guys know and that there are no misunderstoodings. I didnt wanted to apologize for the devs. I didnt even say they were cutting corners. And Im totally not okay with releasing buggy messes. But thats how it is nowadays. Like I said in my long rant: name me one modern game that is not buggy. The game has its moments but it also has its flaws that can ruin the atmosphere yes. There are tons of other videos from games like this and they are meant to be funny. But this video just screamed "Dont make your own opinion about the game and dont even think about buying it" at me. The guy acted like he was expecting an ultra-realistic simulator. I think we are still very far away from a game like this. I see it more as something like AC than an realistic Open world game. An Action-adventure with a lot of freedom. But definetly not some milestone in gaming (I played it at a friends house on PS 4). Like I said: Make your own opinion. And if you dont like something, dont buy it or try the demo or try to play it with one of your friends that owns the game. Nobody forces you to buy/play it on the first day. Wait for the price to get lowered UNLESS you really want it. If you enjoy it then its cool. Oh and sorry if anyone felt offended from my previous post. That was definetly not my intention The thing is though, some big-name blockbuster game should have more than enough resources to blow us away. I mean, look at what indie devs or even small traditional companies can make. Look at DCS World. Look at Men of War: Assault Squad 2. Look at Space Engineers. There are even other modern, big name games that aren't buggy messes. GTAV is basically a better version of this. The only thing watch dogs has that GTA doesn't is hacking, which as I said is pretty much just tacked on. And yeah, no hard feelings, I'm not blaming you or anything. Just that the big companies need to be held to better standards if we're ever to have good videogames again. On May 30 2014 06:21 DefMatrixUltra wrote: This thread title seems very appropriate in juxtaposition with the actual product. The OP was so intelligent, he knew this would make a cheeky jest from far in the past. On the topic of barbs at the game and/or devs/publishers: in most cases, I'd say people are just harsh and have no sympathy for the creative process. However, this is one of the most hyped experiences in recent years, and the dogshit job they did on the port alone tells me that somewhere along the line a guy said "yeah this is good, we can ship and sell multiple millions of this". Fuck that. Let the hate flow. Just so it's clear, I'm one of those crazy people that don't preorder every game that crops up. I wait until things come out and watch some gameplay. I don't own nor will I ever own this game. I predicted 20 seconds into that first E3 trailer that it would be garbage. I just knew all along it would be a poor GTA clone with tacked on hacking. | ||
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