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On October 10 2012 09:20 Medrea wrote:
Chaos blade also just has B scaling like the furysword. At +14 Uchigatana gains A scaling. Iaito does as well.
Additionally, a +15 uchigatana is enchantable whereas the furysword is not. On top of this, Katana's inflict bleed damage, which also gets benefits from being enchanted. Also as far as I know, the fire portion of the furysword does not scale with stats.
With 40 Dex and 30 faith, in a lot of places it (Uchi) will do over 700 damage wielded in one hand with power within and a 1.8 mag adj weapon buff.
Sure weapon buffs only last 60 seconds but boss fights dont last much longer than that!
If your going the dex route. I feel Uchigatana or Iaito (if you prefer) are the best in conjunction with the bandit's dagger if thats your thing. Gold Tracer is also pretty popular (also has A scaling). Also Black Pharis Bow is nice.
Basically the biggest problem with Dark Souls boss weapons (and weapons in general) is they are often not enchantable, so weapons that are have a HUGE advantage.
Enchantability is mostly just a bonus on weapons for me, I wouldn't consider it huge. Not every build goes for faith or int and buff spells (and resins kinda suck). And even then, some of the unique weapons can be buffed, some of them ridiculously powerful weapons(dragon king greataxe lol). And even the unbuffable weapons often have special abilities that end up being very useful. Buffs are good in PvE, but they lose a little bit in PvP against smart players. They're useful of course, but not end all be all only way to play good, a good PvPer will be able to deal just fine.
Furysword gets bonus points just for being cool and having unique moveset even if it isn't the strongest. Chaos Blade also has the scaling with humanity though that many people don't account for, usually makes it stronger than the other katanas even with the weaker scaling. I only say that Iaito is the true masters weapon because it's the only one with a quickdraw. One of the great things about Dark Souls though is how balanced the weapons are; almost every option is viable if you get good with the moveset(furysword has an interesting moveset, combination of curved sword and curved greatsword moves). You can use whatever weapon you want and still be effective.
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Yeah at least its not like there is only one weapon in the entire game thats worth talking about. The fact we can have a discussion around it is proof as much.
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when i bought the pc version i made the following specs (which are all fine for pvp/pve):
-elemental (lightning uchigatana,probably should have made chaos after flip ring nerf..)
-dex/int (dno/32) (uchi +15, using CWS with izalith catalyst)
-dex (chaos blade )
tbh i think for lvl 100 pvp the dex/int build might still be the best.(Not even counting imba dark spells)
u dont lose to much dmg compared to the other builds when not using CWS,while gaining quite a bit w/ CWS.
unfortunately its about 400 hp loss compared to elemental ..
my chaos blade build just completed so i couldnt test pvp yet :/
in pve tho dex/int is def. the best of those obviously.
however since when is queelags fury sword / DKG considered "good"? i mean they are fine i guess..
DKG requires 50 str to 1h and doesnt scale .. so it doesnt even do that much dmg compared to other weapons..
but as i said,i guess its fine.
the real problem with heavy/slow weapons in pvp is that
a) its hard to make a lvl 100 char(which isnt that big of a problem i guess,since no1 uses arena)
b) you dont really get better in pvp with them. better use a faster,lower dmg weapon and lose a lot to
get better in the first place. most people w/ heavy weapons dont even try to riposte
(which is fine i guess,since thats not how they work),but u gotta learn it
anyways if you wont to make any other char. after that use fun weapons =)
queelags fury does no dmg at all since it uses fire and physical dmg.
the b scaling is worthless since it has no base physical dmg.
chaos blade on the other hand does do a lot of dmg.
@skilledblob :
i'd suggest a standard dex build w/ pyro. you can use a lot of different weapons (goldtracer,uchi,maybe even murakomo 2handed ,estoc ,chaos blade etc =) )
if you really want a hybrid i'd go with something like my 2. build.
problem is 25 or 32 int. 32 int gives u the ability to use TCC and Pursuers. (fuck pursuers tho..)
25 int gives u a nice dmg boost with CWS and olacile catalyst.
also you can use the other new dark spells which are lame but very effective and not as dumb as pursuers.
if u go for a lvl 100 build those 7 stats make quite a difference. i think my char has like 25-30 dex,40 vit,35 const. which is all quite low
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Chaos blade @ 10 humanity seems really good for PvP. I have one maxed out (its really cheap to make).
Another reason why i went Dex. +15 Uchigatana with Power Within + Weapon Enchants for PvE and GG bosses in seconds. Chaos Blade +5 for PvP, it has good reach too.
I still use the ninja flip ring. That roll is too good to pass up.
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well wolf ring seems to important :/ need those 53 (or at least 31) poise.
only saw 1 guy in city with flip ring yet.
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also i prefer uchi moveset over chaos blade :/
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Im guessing Poise is way more important in PvP because in PvE I dont like the idea of a ring that only works when something happens that ive built my character completely around making sure it doesnt happen in the first place.
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well in pve it doesnt really matter anyway =) just go for havel ezmode 
i agree that wolfs ring sucks in pve tho!
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It depends more on the setup. If you want to go for ninja flip in pvp, then you basically have to have wolfs ring to have decent poise. Poise is still pretty useful in PvE too. Even has other uses that pvp doesn't, like healing in the middle of being attacked and not being staggered(pvp you just get circled and backstabbed). Wolf's ring is certainly not a bad ring. There are many options to go for with rings though. Getting an extra 40 poise on your armor weighs a lot, the wolf's ring is a nice and easy boost to get you to good poise amounts(over 53, even over 75 if you wear medium armors), especially if you don't necessarily need any of the other rings in the setup.
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My real problem is that I dont care for limiting myself to soul level 120 so I consider the Covetous Silver Ring to be mandatory at all times.
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On October 11 2012 09:25 Medrea wrote:
My real problem is that I dont care for limiting myself to soul level 120 so I consider the Covetous Silver Ring to be mandatory at all times.
I have that problem sometimes too. It happens to me with a lot of rings though. First time I found ninja ring, I never wanted to take it off. If I use ring of fap, I can't take that off either. If I'm farming titanite, I want to use both serpent rings to farm souls at the same time. The big thing about the silver ring though, is that although it helps gets souls(especially with the symbol of avarice) it's actually leveling up your game where you really start to make money. Every time you go to a subsequent new game +(++++++) you start getting 5-10x as many souls(new game forest hunters 6k souls, new game + forest hunters 64k souls). The only feasible way to level really high, is to keep advancing the game. The real dark souls starts there 
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i thought favor and protection was a given =D
if u are not limited to lvl 120 just use critical dmg or flip ring .
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On October 11 2012 11:39 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 09:25 Medrea wrote:
My real problem is that I dont care for limiting myself to soul level 120 so I consider the Covetous Silver Ring to be mandatory at all times. I have that problem sometimes too. It happens to me with a lot of rings though. First time I found ninja ring, I never wanted to take it off. If I use ring of fap, I can't take that off either. If I'm farming titanite, I want to use both serpent rings to farm souls at the same time. The big thing about the silver ring though, is that although it helps gets souls(especially with the symbol of avarice) it's actually leveling up your game where you really start to make money. Every time you go to a subsequent new game +(++++++) you start getting 5-10x as many souls(new game forest hunters 6k souls, new game + forest hunters 64k souls). The only feasible way to level really high, is to keep advancing the game. The real dark souls starts there
The......ring of Fap?
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Ring of favor and protection ---> the ring of fap
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On October 12 2012 02:29 solidbebe wrote:
Ring of favor and protection ---> the ring of fap
LOL.
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Did I waste my time getting Zweiheinder to max lightning upgrade >___________>? I don't know what weapon I should be shooting for with a strength build (pve).
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On October 12 2012 03:46 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Did I waste my time getting Zweiheinder to max lightning upgrade >___________>? I don't know what weapon I should be shooting for with a strength build (pve).
i think thats a decent lightning weapon if that's what you want. It's no longer a 'strength' weapon once you go lightning though. enchanting lightning will remove all stat scaling. It's now just a +5 lightning zweiheinder. I chose to make my garg halbred +5 lightning over zwei because I just love the moveset and attack speed way more. A friend of mine went max lightning zwei though and really likes it. For my "STR" weapon I plan on getting a BKGA and making it +15. We will see what happens though! A
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On October 12 2012 03:46 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Did I waste my time getting Zweiheinder to max lightning upgrade >___________>? I don't know what weapon I should be shooting for with a strength build (pve).
Lightning zwei is the most popular choice of zwei, there's nothing wrong with it. Zwei is not a strength weapon to begin with, c scaling stands for crap scaling. Zwei gets outshined by other weapons once you get to high str, so it's perfectly fine to use it until you level up to that point. There's a lot of high str weapons you can go for, demon's greataxe(S scaling), demon's great machete, large club, grant, black knight greataxe, etc.
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On October 12 2012 04:24 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 03:46 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Did I waste my time getting Zweiheinder to max lightning upgrade >___________>? I don't know what weapon I should be shooting for with a strength build (pve). i think thats a decent lightning weapon if that's what you want. It's no longer a 'strength' weapon once you go lightning though. enchanting lightning will remove all stat scaling. It's now just a +5 lightning zweiheinder. I chose to make my garg halbred +5 lightning over zwei because I just love the moveset and attack speed way more. A friend of mine went max lightning zwei though and really likes it. For my "STR" weapon I plan on getting a BKGA and making it +15. We will see what happens though! A
BKGA only goes to +5 since it's a twinkling titanite upgrade. Which is good because it's easier to upgrade. It's also got one of the best movesets, in my opinion. The reach is both exceptionally long and wide with it. A few weapons are slightly stronger, but I like the bkga moveset much better, and it still easily staggers and does massive damage+ Show Spoiler +
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On October 12 2012 04:59 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 04:24 crms wrote:On October 12 2012 03:46 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Did I waste my time getting Zweiheinder to max lightning upgrade >___________>? I don't know what weapon I should be shooting for with a strength build (pve). i think thats a decent lightning weapon if that's what you want. It's no longer a 'strength' weapon once you go lightning though. enchanting lightning will remove all stat scaling. It's now just a +5 lightning zweiheinder. I chose to make my garg halbred +5 lightning over zwei because I just love the moveset and attack speed way more. A friend of mine went max lightning zwei though and really likes it. For my "STR" weapon I plan on getting a BKGA and making it +15. We will see what happens though! A BKGA only goes to +5 since it's a twinkling titanite upgrade. Which is good because it's easier to upgrade. It's also got one of the best movesets, in my opinion. The reach is both exceptionally long and wide with it. A few weapons are slightly stronger, but I like the bkga moveset much better, and it still easily staggers and does massive damage + Show Spoiler +
Oh right, whoops!
What str weapon would you recommend I upgrade for now? It doesn't seem like I can get a BKGA until I get all of the lord souls. I currently only killed Nico so far. I really love moveset on Garg Halbred, but I'd like another non-lightning weapon for some mobs. I'm having a hard time deciding what to use 1) because nothing seems that good, 2) I dislike the movesets!
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On October 12 2012 04:24 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 03:46 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Did I waste my time getting Zweiheinder to max lightning upgrade >___________>? I don't know what weapon I should be shooting for with a strength build (pve). i think thats a decent lightning weapon if that's what you want. It's no longer a 'strength' weapon once you go lightning though. enchanting lightning will remove all stat scaling. It's now just a +5 lightning zweiheinder. I chose to make my garg halbred +5 lightning over zwei because I just love the moveset and attack speed way more. A friend of mine went max lightning zwei though and really likes it. For my "STR" weapon I plan on getting a BKGA and making it +15. We will see what happens though! A
Oh okay, thanks. Yeah my strength is 49 right now, I wanted to get it to 50 for the Dragon Great Axe or w/e it's called that I chopped off of the Gaping Dragon. I have no idea how to build my character and I've just been winging it. I feel like a fool for not using all that strength. I dipped vitality and endurance to 30 and just maxed out strength. I'm SL 80 atm.
Ok I have Demon Great Machete and Axe. Which one should I upgrade for my high str?
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